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WR Tyreek Hill, MIA (5 Viewers)
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FarFromHome
Footballguy
Making it tougher is byes start this week. I just can't imagine a scenario where I'd bench him. It's brutal.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Huntley missed him on two 70+ yard TDs last night. Even with the awful QB situation he gives you a chance at a long score every game.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Preach brother. I have been saying Tua has been good for 2 years. And everyone was crapping on him, wanting him gone.
Well the latest power rankings are out and Miami is last.
Hope everyone is happy now with the Tua-less Dolphins. It really grinds my gears.
Big Nate
Footballguy
He would be an upgrade and I'm not even joking. At least he can throw a ball.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Oh man, this would be fantastic. Best suggestion yet! I'm all in on Bagent.
That's been speculated by some SF beat writer with Miami sending a RB back but at this point they probably only have two more games without Tua.
The mistake by the Dolphins was ever thinking Skylar was adequate and not moving quicker to get a competent backup after he showed them that against the Bills.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree with you about Thompson, but even if Tua comes back, I'm not convinced he is for long in this league.
First of all I don't agree that now is the best time to buy low, say that in general, never know what an owner might do but I'd think his value was the lowest when people were freaking out that Tua was not going to be playing anytime soon. Now he's down to likely two more Tua-less games.
I posted this already but I traded for Tyreek last week. Gave a projected late 2025 second in a one start QB league/FFPC and Trey Benson but the Tua report last night did not move me as I always expected him to return.
We can define long term differently Tua has made it two years without a concussion and Tyreek is 30. So to me I think he can be around long enough while Tyreek still has value.
Big Nate
Footballguy
As for Tua, if you own him in dynasty I bet there is still a very open buy window. He takes another bad hit and it might be his last. I'd like to acquire Tua if I can but man it is scary.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I believe before those two years many thought he was one concussion away from retirement. Now that he's had that one more concussion, how many do you think he still has in him? Does the one more concussion make him more susceptible to another? I don't know if it does, but you can bet the farm the Dolphins are going to draft or trade (if possible) for a QB.
I'm sorry but I totally reject this line of thinking . I've been adamant here from the day Tua got concussed he was going to try and return as soon as he could and I fully expect to be right on that and for this to all repeat itself if he's concussed again. Which is a bunch of people freaking out, saying he should retire, but Tua just trying to get back as soon as he can.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
That's a vanilla response. I asked, is at some point the number of concussions will affect his ability to come back? You act as if it will always be status quo on his expected return, no matter how often a concussion happens. How many concussions do we have in us?
-jb-
Footballguy
Big Nate
Footballguy
Question - when are too many concussions too many? Does it ever become concerning? Because his last big concussion (not this recent one) he was considering retirement. So it was on his mind once. As someone who owned Andrew Luck in multiple dynasty leagues these things happen. Especially when it comes to the brain.
There is more injury risk (retirement possibilities) to owning Tua when compared to other QBs like Purdy, Goff, Mayfield etc.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
That's what I asked as well. I still don't think they know enough about concussions, even though they know more now than in the past. CTE is real. That we do know for a fact.
That's kind of what I'm getting at though. What makes people assume that say concussion #4 is the limit, not 1-3, but the 4th or the 5th one, that's the one, that one tipped the scales? I just never understood that mindset and think people keep jumping the gun. It's certainly possible that a future concussion will impact him so bad he walks away but the difference between me and most is I don't assume the next concussion is the limit for him, or the next one. Rather I think he'll continue to have every intention of returning until/unless he gets a concussion that does tip the scale in severity.
Feel like I had these same discussions with Jordan Reed. He did eventually retire, after his 10-12th concussion when he was a backup playing on a league minimum type deal which I cite as a factor as I'm going to say I'm not sure he's walking away if was still playing at a high level and getting paid at a high level. But around here he'd get his 5th concussion and a bunch of people would say he's done, time to walk away and this process simply repeated itself over and over again on all the subsequent concussions.
Either way for purposes of Tyreek as this is his thread I don't really care a whole lot about about Tua longterm. I know you are a big Tua fan and he works great in the system with those weapons but to be perfectly clear Tyreek does not need Tua to be a stud. He needs better then Skylar Thompson and Huntley off the streets but he does not need Tua. I believe he's one of the two best WR's in the game still at his age, this should not be a hot take.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I don't believe anyone is putting a number on it, you are. We're just saying with common sense the more you have the more likely it's a bad thing for him going forward. I said, "at some point the number of concussions will affect his ability to come back?". I also said, "I'm not convinced he is for long in this league.". Nothing absolute there as far as I can tell. It is not unreasonable to say words like "not convinced", or "at some point". Now the one statement I made that was more in line with an absolute statement, was "I believe before those two years many thought he was one concussion away from retirement", but I also followed it up in the same post with, " Now that he's had that one more concussion, how many do you think he still has in him? Does the one more concussion make him more susceptible to another?". Both asking questions, to indicate I don't know the answer.
What are you talking about?
You keep trying to retire him. Saying he has no reason to return this year. Just take the L on this one, it's ok.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Nope. Just because I say he should consider retirement isn't saying what you're implying, that I know the magic number of particular number of concussions, because I don't.. I already made the post of what I said. I made one statement of absolute, but you want to ignore what I said after that. I even used the word "many", not "me or I. That would be, "I believe before those two years many thought he was one concussion away from retirement", but I also followed it up in the same post with, " Now that he's had that one more concussion, how many do you think he still has in him? Does the one more concussion make him more susceptible to another?".
Just like the media with politicians, picking and choosing what they report, leaving out context and statements that don't support their narrative.
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bryhamm
Footballguy
Yeah, but a chance vs getting 2-3 points is pretty bad. He's going to my bench until Tua gets back.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Nicki Pick Sixx Mullens?
Big Nate
Footballguy
Huntley and Hill were close on a few balls. Hopefully one more week of practice and they can get on the same page.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Oh man, that is rough. This dynasty or redraft?
Redraft
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Unless Nabers can’t go, he’s riding pine in favor of Nico, DK and either Wilson or BTJ.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Benched him in several leagues this past weekend
Brian Thomas, JAX filled in nicely
Tony Pollard had a much better game on MNF
Came out ahead with both of these plays this week.
Not sure what i do this week with Bye issues, almost have to play him
Brian Thomas, JAX filled in nicely
Tony Pollard had a much better game on MNF
Came out ahead with both of these plays this week.
Not sure what i do this week with Bye issues, almost have to play him
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Tough. It’s hard for me to believe I would ever bench Hill if I had him, but here we are.
No, I said Mullens' backup.
Dizzy
Footballguy
There we go.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Certainly not a neurologist, but I understood that concussions had a similar long-term effect on the brain as mini-strokes. The scarring on the brain requires longer healing time.
Holy Crap. Those are excellent picks. Congratulations on a great WR room.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Cheers! Keeper league so it’s easier to get to this point.
Yeah I'm not blessed with those choices.
I am choosing from Tyreek, B. Thomas, JSN, and D. Wicks. Need two of them. Very tempted to sit Tyreek.
ahill84006
Footballguy
Was just offerred Garrett Wilson for Tyreek.......kinda like the Spiderman meme.....same guy?
Dizzy
Footballguy
Don't do it... imagine Tyreek back in KC and Wilson picking scraps left behind by Davante Adams... now which one would you rather have?
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
The medical response is yes, on two fronts.
1. If a player comes back too soon, something called "second impact syndrome" can happen. It is the increase risk of a more severe, serious concussion. That includes the risk of brain bleeds and swelling.
2. Multiple subsequent concussions can/will escalate the symptoms and recovery time and obviously increases the risk of long term CTE (chronic truamatic encephalopaty).
There is good reason for hang wringing with each subsequent concussions suffered by Tua. And there is no magic number, but observation of increasingly severe symptoms would be reason for Tua and the staff to pump the brakes on him returning now or ever.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It's hard to think of him being traded as much as FF fans would like to see him paired with a suitable QB as soon as this weekend
They paid him a lot of money and extended his contract, they've backed him 100% on his run in with the law Week 1 speeding into Hard Rock
He has to be loyal and cry out to every reporter how much he loves it in Miami
The guy already has a ring, he needs all this cash with 10+ kids and multiple mothers in a short period of time, he's going to be paying out a lot
He has a somewhat spotty off the field record where perhaps he wasn't arrested but civil lawsuits are popping up against him, his home almost burned to the ground
And Miami owes him a lot of money for the next couple seasons. I would love to see him traded for top draft picks but it likely will not happen
Plus Grier and McDaniel want to stay on thru '25 and '26 if they can so they aren't likely to gut the team
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The expectation from Barry Jackson is this concussion will lead to 4 weeks on IR (trending that way even with no symptoms in the days after) and 8 weeks if he has another concussion of any severity.
Note that Tyreek did well when Teddy filled in for Tua in 2022 in 2 games: 10-160 @ CIN, 12-177 vs MIN. But there is no one near Teddy's level to backup Tua. And teams have figured out McDaniel's scheme.
Better QBing in the TEN game would've given Tyreek a huge game with 2 TDs. That's the temptation.
Note that Tyreek did well when Teddy filled in for Tua in 2022 in 2 games: 10-160 @ CIN, 12-177 vs MIN. But there is no one near Teddy's level to backup Tua. And teams have figured out McDaniel's scheme.
Better QBing in the TEN game would've given Tyreek a huge game with 2 TDs. That's the temptation.
Yeah, he's not going anywhere. Tyreek just signed a massive extension. It's something like a $40MM cap hit if he's traded because he was given a very small base salary and mostly bonuses that are prorated out to future years and void years that would accelerate if traded. I know teams can work cap magic but that just seems beyond a reasonable possibility to get around.
Big Nate
Footballguy
These are all very important points. Could a trade happen? Sure, anything can happen but it seems very unlikely.
When Tua is healthy and this offense is clicking, Hill is the guy and he knows it. That is why he was frustrated last game is the QB play has been total garbage since Tua got hurt.
