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WR Xavier Worthy, KC (1 Viewer)
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Big Nate
Footballguy
True, but Andy Reid bringing along rookie WRs slowly is pretty par for the course.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Looked like he ran the wrong route late in the game. Probably won't help his snaps going forward.
ATB
Footballguy
Different coaches and situations. Some rookies aren't asked to do a lot or are given limited route trees and are still on the field because they're clearly better than anyone else at their position.
Rookies in Andy Reid's system don't play every snap because his system is complicated. It takes time to pick it up. We saw this with Rice last year and look at him now.
Patience.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Rice averaged about 5 targets his first 8 games before things picked up the second half of the year. I do not hold Xavier, just stating observations. If you think they are obvious statements that’s fine. I think Rice’s skillset made it easier to involve him earlier, Worthy may take longer to become consistently acclimated imo.
This. I’ve given up on rookies too early (Michael Thomas and Achane last year), so I’m definitely not dropping him.
ATB
Footballguy
Sure, but I was commenting on snap percentage. I believe Rice's involvement came along slowly until his breakout after their bye week last year (just from recollection). I think we'll see something similar with Worthy.
I don't think he overtakes Rice but there is definitely room for someone else to contribute consistently in this offense and that was Rice and Kelce last year. This year, I don't think it will be Kelce consistently. I think we see a Rice/Worthy tandem for the back half of the year.
Just a feeling more than anything. I don't think they drafted Worthy so high to make him a gadget player. He's just not ready for the full load they have for him yet, imo.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Somehow… droppable
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Worthy too small so he gets bodied on balls easily and not quite fast as advertised, he’s fast but that cornerback was with him stride for stride.
Gadget player, nothing more
Football Jones
Footballguy
Maybe Buffalo didn't screw up by letting KC have Worthy, after all.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Tough crowd. A week-to-week crowd.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I'm going off what we see on the field. He's MVS functionally for this team now, a field stretcher that opens up the underneath. He is too undersized to win contested balls.
Best he looks is on some sweeps.
Bye week starter for fantasy purposes and even then you hold your nose.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
First round receivers are ready and expected to produce immediately in today’s nfl. This is the new reality.
So either he was over drafted or his ceiling long term is best receiver in the league in 3 years
Wildcat
Footballguy
I would say the new reality is that we overanalyze and are too critical.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Too early to write off. I saw him during the pre season and he was running a lot of different routes and getting open on all of them. He was used as a decoy a lot last night. Go in motion, take guys with him and then they go the other way. Could have been different if any of the PI’s hit (yes - should have been both). Not happy with the routes though, and none of us predicted how much JuJu would be targeted.
The other thing is Mahomes rarely has time to go deep now. He’s scrambling before the receiver can get to their spot. Only had time on a few plays last night and Worthy got big air yards on those. So there is hope. But I understand the concern. Boom/bust player
The other thing is Mahomes rarely has time to go deep now. He’s scrambling before the receiver can get to their spot. Only had time on a few plays last night and Worthy got big air yards on those. So there is hope. But I understand the concern. Boom/bust player
Big Nate
Footballguy
That is how fantasy works these days. Even though there is great data on how rookie WRs progress over the course of their first season people just need that instant hit.
Worthy got me 12 fantasy points which was doable for my 2nd flex spot. Considering injuries and I had a couple players on bye I was very happy with this.
Would I like to see more targets - for sure but this is how it goes with rookie WRs in KCs offense to start the year. They are still trying to find ways to get him the ball.
Big Nate
Footballguy
No. Depends on team, fit, need and offense.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Ya think? It tickles me when people (not pointing at you obviously) are so quick to "write players off". I'd much rather have Worthy over someone like Leggett.
Football Jones
Footballguy
That's FF, lol.
All I heard after the draft was how the Bills were dumb for letting the Chiefs grab Worthy. Personally, I don't think it was dumb. Kind of a you play checkers, I'll play chess thing, but yeah, it's early.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Kind of fluky with the rushing TDs, but it's early. Worthy certainly hasn't overcome his perceived weaknesses, though.He has better fantasy numbers through his first 5 games than Rice did last year.
Time will tell...
Kind of fluky with the rushing TDs, but it's early. Worthy certainly hasn't overcome his perceived weaknesses, though.He has better fantasy numbers through his first 5 games than Rice did last year.
Time will tell...
Yeah, its an oversimplification for sure, but so are the bust proclamations after 5 games.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
If you left it up to this forum over 90% of the league are busts after 5 games.Kind of fluky with the rushing TDs, but it's early. Worthy certainly hasn't overcome his perceived weaknesses, though.He has better fantasy numbers through his first 5 games than Rice did last year.
Time will tell...
Yeah, its an oversimplification for sure, but so are the bust proclamations after 5 games.
Absolutely Nothing
Footballguy
I was hopefully that with Rice out, Worthy would step into a role as the de facto top receiver- not replacing the exact role Rice, who runs very different routes, but at least take on some of that target share. Of course Kelce was going to earn back his crown as top dog. But I was hoping for more than a couple extra targets and a single (albeit very important) carry.
After yesterday, I feel about that same on Worthy as I felt when Rice was healthy. Boom/Bust WR 3 with upside. Certainly not trading for him when JuJu is sitting on waivers, and clearly benefited the most from an absent Rice relative to expectations.
After yesterday, I feel about that same on Worthy as I felt when Rice was healthy. Boom/Bust WR 3 with upside. Certainly not trading for him when JuJu is sitting on waivers, and clearly benefited the most from an absent Rice relative to expectations.
Football Jones
Footballguy
For sure. I wouldn't call Worthy a bust. Way too early.Kind of fluky with the rushing TDs, but it's early. Worthy certainly hasn't overcome his perceived weaknesses, though.He has better fantasy numbers through his first 5 games than Rice did last year.
Time will tell...
Yeah, its an oversimplification for sure, but so are the bust proclamations after 5 games.
My point was there sure were a lot of people who thought KC hoodwinked the Bills.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Who was basically a bust for most who drafted him. He did do better down the stretch when many of his owners were out of contention.He has better fantasy numbers through his first 5 games than Rice did last year.
Small sample size perhaps, but its a 1/3 of our season. Worthy was relatively a dart throw where drafted for most, i know the ffpc sickos pushed him up to a 4/5th rounder so thats bust city. But 6th and onward, he's fine.
My concerns are, the needle isn't quite pointing up, he's not prescribed to be a big piece of their game plan. I'm not saying to drop him, but you sure COULD drop him, if you have Downs or a Tracy or a Bigsby on your wire.
I will say, eyeballing him, Tyreek is a brickhouse, he's short but he is able to battle when needed with the same speed as worthy. Worthy is built like a punter. The deep PI he was easily pushed into the sideline.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Well they still might have. Worthy is a good receiver and can also take carries out of the backfield. KC wanted Worthy and will continue to use him. He's already been WAY more successful than Skye Moore. Worthy is just getting started. Has a long career ahead of him. He's 21.For sure. I wouldn't call Worthy a bust. Way too early.Kind of fluky with the rushing TDs, but it's early. Worthy certainly hasn't overcome his perceived weaknesses, though.He has better fantasy numbers through his first 5 games than Rice did last year.
Time will tell...
Yeah, its an oversimplification for sure, but so are the bust proclamations after 5 games.
My point was there sure were a lot of people who thought KC hoodwinked the Bills.
He's played 5 games and has 4 TDs already. Let's be patient. Now he gets a bye and they can keep working him into the offense.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Some good points but most who play in competitive leagues don't have any of Bigsby, Downs, or Tracy on the wire.Who was basically a bust for most who drafted him. He did do better down the stretch when many of his owners were out of contention.He has better fantasy numbers through his first 5 games than Rice did last year.
Small sample size perhaps, but its a 1/3 of our season. Worthy was relatively a dart throw where drafted for most, i know the ffpc sickos pushed him up to a 4/5th rounder so thats bust city. But 6th and onward, he's fine.
My concerns are, the needle isn't quite pointing up, he's not prescribed to be a big piece of their game plan. I'm not saying to drop him, but you sure COULD drop him, if you have Downs or a Tracy or a Bigsby on your wire.
I will say, eyeballing him, Tyreek is a brickhouse, he's short but he is able to battle when needed with the same speed as worthy. Worthy is built like a punter. The deep PI he was easily pushed into the sideline.
Know your league, do what you need to do, but in my 12 man league with shallow benches I'm holding. I even got an offer for Worthy.
If you need to make a move try to trade him to a WR needy team.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
I don’t think KC even knows what they have in him and his potential yet. He will break out at some point, this year in fact, imo. I like what a got him for in my auction draft ($3) and as a WR3on my squad. I look forward every week to what surprises he’ll bring.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Yeah, too early to call anyone a bust.Well they still might have. Worthy is a good receiver and can also take carries out of the backfield. KC wanted Worthy and will continue to use him. He's already been WAY more successful than Skye Moore. Worthy is just getting started. Has a long career ahead of him. He's 21.For sure. I wouldn't call Worthy a bust. Way too early.Kind of fluky with the rushing TDs, but it's early. Worthy certainly hasn't overcome his perceived weaknesses, though.He has better fantasy numbers through his first 5 games than Rice did last year.
Time will tell...
Yeah, its an oversimplification for sure, but so are the bust proclamations after 5 games.
My point was there sure were a lot of people who thought KC hoodwinked the Bills.
He's played 5 games and has 4 TDs already. Let's be patient. Now he gets a bye and they can keep working him into the offense.
I just never understood the narrative that KC pulled a fast one on Buffalo. If Worthy was at the top of their board, I'm sure the Bills wouldn't have made the trade. They likely had Coleman at the top of their board and were confident the Chiefs wouldn't take him (knowing Worthy was available). Similar to an FF draft where Worthy has the higher ADP so you know you can get Keon later.
I do prefer Coleman as both an NFL talent and in FF, but loooooong way to go.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
In this forum it's never too early to call someone a bust.Yeah, too early to call anyone a bust.Well they still might have. Worthy is a good receiver and can also take carries out of the backfield. KC wanted Worthy and will continue to use him. He's already been WAY more successful than Skye Moore. Worthy is just getting started. Has a long career ahead of him. He's 21.For sure. I wouldn't call Worthy a bust. Way too early.Kind of fluky with the rushing TDs, but it's early. Worthy certainly hasn't overcome his perceived weaknesses, though.He has better fantasy numbers through his first 5 games than Rice did last year.
Time will tell...
Yeah, its an oversimplification for sure, but so are the bust proclamations after 5 games.
My point was there sure were a lot of people who thought KC hoodwinked the Bills.
He's played 5 games and has 4 TDs already. Let's be patient. Now he gets a bye and they can keep working him into the offense.
I just never understood the narrative that KC pulled a fast one on Buffalo. If Worthy was at the top of their board, I'm sure the Bills wouldn't have made the trade. They likely had Coleman at the top of their board and were confident the Chiefs wouldn't take him (knowing Worthy was available). Similar to an FF draft where Worthy has the higher ADP so you know you can get Keon later.
I do prefer Coleman as both an NFL talent and in FF, but loooooong way to go.
Football Jones
Footballguy
In fact, I'd bet money the Bills had some kind of intel that KC was locked on Worthy so they pulled the trigger on the deal.
Football Jones
Footballguy
BTW, Josh Allen was campaigning hard for Keon so the Bills had to be confident KC wouldn't ruin their plans when they made the trade. You'd think that kind of info wouldn't get out, but it does.
For example, the Giants organization, who most people don't view as rocket scientists, were quite certain the Chargers were taking Alt even though they needed a WR, which allowed them to stay put, not worry too much about moving up, and take Nabers (as represented in Hard Knocks).
It would be fascinating to get a behind the scenes look at legit NFL intel, but I doubt we'll ever see a true representation.
For example, the Giants organization, who most people don't view as rocket scientists, were quite certain the Chargers were taking Alt even though they needed a WR, which allowed them to stay put, not worry too much about moving up, and take Nabers (as represented in Hard Knocks).
It would be fascinating to get a behind the scenes look at legit NFL intel, but I doubt we'll ever see a true representation.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
That doesn’t make it a good decision
Football Jones
Footballguy
Too early to say, but it does mean they didn't get hoodwinked (likely, just the opposite).
jurrassic
Footballguy
Mahomes clearly under threw him or threw behind him multiple times. These guys are still not on the same page. Mahomes with Worthy's over all speed and Worthy on when he needs to slow down then accelerate after the catch. The PI call will do a lot for Mahomes taking 1-2 shots a game moving forward. The Chiefs were running trips with tight ends. That is not going to sustain itself.
In half PPR Worthy still averaging more points than Olave, Flowers, JSN, Kirk, Pittman Jr., Ridley, Pickens, Lockett and Sutton. Most rookies take until November to really get going. He has a clear path to more targets. I don't see why you would drop him, unless you are incredibly deep at wr or have other issues that require a big move.
In half PPR Worthy still averaging more points than Olave, Flowers, JSN, Kirk, Pittman Jr., Ridley, Pickens, Lockett and Sutton. Most rookies take until November to really get going. He has a clear path to more targets. I don't see why you would drop him, unless you are incredibly deep at wr or have other issues that require a big move.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
GD
. Totally agree.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Hard to say, there is also the chance another team was trying to move up or would have moved up. Sometimes it is just worthYeah, too early to call anyone a bust.Well they still might have. Worthy is a good receiver and can also take carries out of the backfield. KC wanted Worthy and will continue to use him. He's already been WAY more successful than Skye Moore. Worthy is just getting started. Has a long career ahead of him. He's 21.For sure. I wouldn't call Worthy a bust. Way too early.Kind of fluky with the rushing TDs, but it's early. Worthy certainly hasn't overcome his perceived weaknesses, though.He has better fantasy numbers through his first 5 games than Rice did last year.
Time will tell...
Yeah, its an oversimplification for sure, but so are the bust proclamations after 5 games.
My point was there sure were a lot of people who thought KC hoodwinked the Bills.
He's played 5 games and has 4 TDs already. Let's be patient. Now he gets a bye and they can keep working him into the offense.
I just never understood the narrative that KC pulled a fast one on Buffalo. If Worthy was at the top of their board, I'm sure the Bills wouldn't have made the trade. They likely had Coleman at the top of their board and were confident the Chiefs wouldn't take him (knowing Worthy was available). Similar to an FF draft where Worthy has the higher ADP so you know you can get Keon later.
I do prefer Coleman as both an NFL talent and in FF, but loooooong way to go.
getting your guy.It was 4 spots. Anyone could have traded in or one of the other teams could ahve taken Worthy.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Yeah, I think KC likely had Worthy in a tier by himself and made a move.Hard to say, there is also the chance another team was trying to move up or would have moved up. Sometimes it is just worthYeah, too early to call anyone a bust.Well they still might have. Worthy is a good receiver and can also take carries out of the backfield. KC wanted Worthy and will continue to use him. He's already been WAY more successful than Skye Moore. Worthy is just getting started. Has a long career ahead of him. He's 21.For sure. I wouldn't call Worthy a bust. Way too early.Kind of fluky with the rushing TDs, but it's early. Worthy certainly hasn't overcome his perceived weaknesses, though.He has better fantasy numbers through his first 5 games than Rice did last year.
Time will tell...
Yeah, its an oversimplification for sure, but so are the bust proclamations after 5 games.
My point was there sure were a lot of people who thought KC hoodwinked the Bills.
He's played 5 games and has 4 TDs already. Let's be patient. Now he gets a bye and they can keep working him into the offense.
I just never understood the narrative that KC pulled a fast one on Buffalo. If Worthy was at the top of their board, I'm sure the Bills wouldn't have made the trade. They likely had Coleman at the top of their board and were confident the Chiefs wouldn't take him (knowing Worthy was available). Similar to an FF draft where Worthy has the higher ADP so you know you can get Keon later.
I do prefer Coleman as both an NFL talent and in FF, but loooooong way to go.
It was 4 spots. Anyone could have traded in or one of the other teams could ahve taken Worthy.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I only speak from a dynasty perspective in my leagues because I only play dynasty, so as of now I feel pretty good about Worthy. I'm not one of those week-to-week haters and lovers. I seem to remember the same kind of love/hate with Rice. How a team eventually uses a player is unknown. Dynasty = a marathon, not a sprint.
Big Nate
Footballguy
I'd feel pretty good. KC has been known to be slow getting their rookies involved. They are scheming him plays and including him in the run game.
We hope they continue to expand his role in the offense as he gets more comfortable with the playbook and the NFL.
Long term Kelce will be out and that just leaves Rice. Rice may also be suspended at some point. Worst case scenario is Worthy steps into the #2 role behind RIce.
The other thing is Worthy gets to play with Mahomes who isn't afraid to go downfield if he sees broken coverage. Worthy is always a threat to score a TD in any given game.
He might not be a consistent player in PPR format if you are hoping for 8-10 targets a game, at least not yet, but he can be that 3rd WR on your team that can blow up for 20+pts any given week.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
My dynasty leagues are my only "serious" leagues, so I'm right with you. Got a trade offer for Worthy straight for my Higgins in a rebuild and I'm torn. As has been brought up multiple times, guy is scrawny. However if he's going to blow up and displace Rice as the healthy number one by the end of the season it's a no brainer accept.
Big Nate
Footballguy
As much as I love Worthy he won't over take Rice as the #1.
I'm not a fan of straight up 1 for 1 trades like WR for WR or RB for RB, unless you are selling an aging vet for a young prospect as one team is competing an the other is rebuilding.
Worthy vs Higgins is at best which WR do you like better and not sure I would make a trade like that. Right now I pick Higgins side as he's done more as a WR in the NFL than Worthy. With Worthy you have to hope, as with Higgins you know.
