WR Xavier Worthy, KC (3 Viewers)

[jvdesigns2002]

Who are you dropping him for?

I’m personally not dropping until more news comes out. If news comes out that he’ll be back but in a brace, I’ll most likely see if I can hold for a few weeks (until closer to his return) and see if I can trade him. My personal belief is that it will be very difficult for him to stay healthy ROS even if he does come back at some point—even with a brace. The nature of that position requires lots of activity that involves shoulder strength—and I don’t think that even a brace will protect him (and his almost certainly damaged labrum) fully from a tweak or re-injury. I also think that defenders knowing that he has an ailing shoulder is probably something that puts him at more risk. With that said—I do think that dropping him is premature—unless there are some really high upside guys on your waiver wires.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Rapoport

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#Chiefs coach Andy Reid describes Xavier Worthy as "day-to-day" talking to reporters, an indication that the plan is to rehab and attempt to play with a brace -- rather than immediate surgery. Some good news initially.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Rapoport

https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1965111353364152509

#Chiefs coach Andy Reid describes Xavier Worthy as "day-to-day" talking to reporters, an indication that the plan is to rehab and attempt to play with a brace -- rather than immediate surgery. Some good news initially.

They're going to permanently injure this kid if they try to rush him back.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

That’s not quite what Rappaport said (they omitted some pertinent information). ”—he said that the most likely outcome is that he returns at some point of the season wearing a brace and that a second opinion/consultation is being done. Timeline is unknown at this time.

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Still better than a separation, an AC joint injury, or a broken collarbone.

He still could miss multiple weeks. I’m not Pollyanna about this. But knowing this injury well, he could come out next week and play wearing a brace. Once the shoulder’s popped back in it becomes a pain tolerance thing.

The hidden complications are if he hurt his rotator cuff, or some other associated injury that would limit his ability to catch.

I’m very much playing sideline doctor without the benefit of any insider info or access to Worthy, but if Rapaport has gotten word about this after an MRI has been done, my guess would probably be an incomplete labrum tear.

Second opinion to confirm he’s not gonna do more damage and the shoulder can stay stable until the offseason.

Flame away.

 

[doeseatplace]

Flame away.

Dammit, Jim....

 

[Deamon]

Day to Day but I would kinda be surprised if he plays this week. After that you get the Giants which you should be able to win without him.

If I'm KC, I'm resting him up until the W4 Ravens game.

 

[Cheen]

Wonder how much the Chiefs regret having Kelce come back. The likelihood the accumulation of positive he does this year outweighs the negative that occured on the 3rd offensive play by being bullied by Derwin James is unlikely.

Edited - Joe

 

[Deamon]

Wonder how much the Chiefs regret having Kelce come back. The likelihood the accumulation of positive he does this year outweighs the negative that occured on the 3rd offensive play by being bullied by Derwin James is unlikely.

wtf.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Chiefs coach Andy Reid said Xavier Worthy (shoulder) is “day to day.”
NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport believes this is an indication that “the plan is to rehab and attempt to play with a brace -- rather than immediate surgery.” We’ll see how well Worthy plays through the obvious limitations — his practice statuses this week should be among the most-monitored — but it sounds like there’s at least a chance he’s able to be ready for the Eagles in Week 2.

DTD

 

[Snotbubbles]

That’s not quite what Rappaport said (they omitted some pertinent information). ”—he said that the most likely outcome is that he returns at some point of the season wearing a brace and that a second opinion/consultation is being done. Timeline is unknown at this time.

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Still better than a separation, an AC joint injury, or a broken collarbone.

He still could miss multiple weeks. I’m not Pollyanna about this. But knowing this injury well, he could come out next week and play wearing a brace. Once the shoulder’s popped back in it becomes a pain tolerance thing.

The hidden complications are if he hurt his rotator cuff, or some other associated injury that would limit his ability to catch.

I’m very much playing sideline doctor without the benefit of any insider info or access to Worthy, but if Rapaport has gotten word about this after an MRI has been done, my guess would probably be an incomplete labrum tear.

Second opinion to confirm he’s not gonna do more damage and the shoulder can stay stable until the offseason.

Flame away.

If he has a labrum tear, it's just pain tolerance. The surgery is the same regardless, it's just a matter of how many anchors the labrum needs.

ETA: Normal procedure for labrum tear is rehab first. When that doesn't work surgery. I went through 18 months of it with my daughter.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Chiefs coach Andy Reid said Xavier Worthy (shoulder) is “day to day.”
NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport believes this is an indication that “the plan is to rehab and attempt to play with a brace -- rather than immediate surgery.” We’ll see how well Worthy plays through the obvious limitations — his practice statuses this week should be among the most-monitored — but it sounds like there’s at least a chance he’s able to be ready for the Eagles in Week 2.

DTD

I know lots of us have had shoulder injuries. I had an AC separation in my 20’s playing sandlot football. Still have pain and stiffness in that shoulder 30-something years later, where I’ll almost lose grip and drop something heavy if my shoulder turns the wrong way.

He may be day-to-day, but I’d bet huge money he doesn’t practice this week and all the toradol in the world won’t let him suit up on Sunday.

 

[zoonation]

This is CMC 2024 day to day. Going to turn into weeks.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Chiefs coach Andy Reid said Xavier Worthy (shoulder) is “day to day.”
NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport believes this is an indication that “the plan is to rehab and attempt to play with a brace -- rather than immediate surgery.” We’ll see how well Worthy plays through the obvious limitations — his practice statuses this week should be among the most-monitored — but it sounds like there’s at least a chance he’s able to be ready for the Eagles in Week 2.

DTD

I know lots of us have had shoulder injuries. I had an AC separation in my 20’s playing sandlot football. Still have pain and stiffness in that shoulder 30-something years later, where I’ll almost lose grip and drop something heavy if my shoulder turns the wrong way.

He may be day-to-day, but I’d bet huge money he doesn’t practice this week and all the toradol in the world won’t let him suit up on Sunday.

I dunno, man… After I dislocated my shoulder the first time, it felt instantly better when it got put back in the socket. It was a little bit sore the next day, but swelling was minimum and after about a week, I was pretty much back to normal. The only issue was that my “new normal” meant that my shoulder could dislocate more easily.

My point is, it really does just come down to pain tolerance. If there’s no chance of damaging it further & he’s cleared to play with a harness, I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see him return to practice this week. That said, I also wouldn’t be surprised to see him miss a week or 2.

The biggest issues for him will be getting tackled or hitting the ground on a diving catch. I remember that 1st time I dislocated my shoulder and bumped into a wall only very slightly - it felt like someone punched me in the arm, hard.

I agree that it’s probably up in the air, but we don’t yet know if this was a full dislocation, or a subluxation. We also don’t know if it’s anterior or posterior, or if he had any history with the shoulder previously. All of those things probably matter and add up to whether he can bounce back from this quickly or not.

Fingers crossed. I would be unlikely to have him in lineups regardless, because of the chance of a 1 catch~>tackle~> out for the game scenario that’s absolutely possible if he does play. It’s one thing to wear the harness and run out there. It’s a whole other to play a whole game through this.

And for all we know the team docs might just shut him down for a week as a means of protecting the player from himself. A lot of these dudes want to go out and compete and will play through anything unless the team prevents it.

Very much up in the air at the moment IMO.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This is CMC 2024 day to day. Going to turn into weeks.

Maybe. The injury is nothing like CMC’s. The Chiefs are also better at reporting injuries than the 49ers. I’m not seeing an alnalogy here. I seriously doubt he’s out 8 weeks. Not unless he has surgery of some sort. In that case it would likely be the end of his 2025 season.

 

[zeeshan2]

Andy Reid on Xavier Worthy's shoulder: He's rehabbing, it's day-by-day here

 

[zoonation]

This is CMC 2024 day to day. Going to turn into weeks.

Maybe. The injury is nothing like CMC’s. The Chiefs are also better at reporting injuries than the 49ers. I’m not seeing an alnalogy here. I seriously doubt he’s out 8 weeks. Not unless he has surgery of some sort. In that case it would likely be the end of his 2025 season.

I just don't think he plays anytime soon. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Wonder how much the Chiefs regret having Kelce come back. The likelihood the accumulation of positive he does this year outweighs the negative that occured on the 3rd offensive play by being bullied by Derwin James is unlikely.

That's probably better for the Kelce or KC thread.

With as thin as the WR corps are, my guess is they are very happy to have him back. But let's keep this one on Worthy.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I’ve partially torn my rotator cuff a few times. If the strength is present (in one of mine, I couldn’t lift my arm at all at certain rotations) it’s all pain tolerance. In my case the strength came back in 6 or so weeks. But I was 54. :supeiorspecimen:

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This is CMC 2024 day to day. Going to turn into weeks.

Maybe. The injury is nothing like CMC’s. The Chiefs are also better at reporting injuries than the 49ers. I’m not seeing an alnalogy here. I seriously doubt he’s out 8 weeks. Not unless he has surgery of some sort. In that case it would likely be the end of his 2025 season.

I just don't think he plays anytime soon. Hope I'm wrong.

I’d expect 2-3 weeks IF he misses any time.

Like I said above, I’d be no more surprised to hear he’s missing 2 games than I would be to learn he’s gonna suit up this week.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’ve partially torn my rotator cuff a few times

That’s a very different (though can be related) injury. I’d dislocated my shoulder multiple times, yet never damaged the rotator cuff. The labrum was toast though.

Never had issues lifting my arm, but it ached for about a week after every dislocation.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Rapoport

https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1965111353364152509

#Chiefs coach Andy Reid describes Xavier Worthy as "day-to-day" talking to reporters, an indication that the plan is to rehab and attempt to play with a brace -- rather than immediate surgery. Some good news initially.

Are we sure that’s what Reid is saying? I have a pretty good grasp on the English language—but if you watch the first minute of this clip—he says that they are going to try rehab first and evaluate Worthy on a “day by day” basis. That to me does not mean that he’s considered “Day to Day’ in regard to a return to game action or availability. Let’s hear the words right of the man’s mouth and evaluate what is really being said. Before i risk being called a “pessimist” about Worthy—is anybody else hearing it the same as me? I provided the link to Andy Reid speaking below.

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[Hot Sauce Guy]

Rapoport

https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1965111353364152509

#Chiefs coach Andy Reid describes Xavier Worthy as "day-to-day" talking to reporters, an indication that the plan is to rehab and attempt to play with a brace -- rather than immediate surgery. Some good news initially.

Are we sure that’s what Reid is saying? I have a pretty good grasp on the English language—but if you watch the first minute of this clip—he says that they are going to try rehab first and evaluate Worthy on a “day by day” basis. That to me does not mean that he’s considered “Day to Day’ in regard to a return to game action or availability. Let’s hear the words right of the man’s mouth and evaluate what is really being said. Before i risk being called a “pessimist” about Worthy—is anybody else hearing it the same as me? I provided the link to Andy Reid speaking below.

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Well SI seemed to take it as good news;

Good news for Chiefs fans: Xavier Worthy's dislocated shoulder injury does not appear to be season-ending.

Kansas City coach Andy Reid provided an update on his receiver's injury status during his Monday press conference.
“He’s rehabbing and working his shoulder, we’ll see where it goes, day by day,” Reid said.

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport noted that Reid's response leads him to believe that Worthy will rehab the shoulder and wear a brace instead of undergoing immediate surgery. This is what was reported to likely happen with Worthy on Sunday, and now Reid's answer seems to line up with that. Regardless of how the Chiefs go about Worthy's recovery, he will miss some time while building up the strength in his shoulder. It's unknown how much time the receiver is expected to miss.

So a couple of things there… they’re taking it “day by day” to see where it goes, and also Worthy’s injury is not season ending.

But it could indeed be weeks before he’s back. Or it could be less.

I don’t think that’s pessimistic at all - just the nature of this injury. Some players play through it. Some do not. I don’t think anyone knows anything until we’ve see this week’s practice reports.

What we know is it’s not considered season-ending. At the moment. That could change.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

One other thing Reid said seems to be getting lost in the mix too.

"I know Xavier's the big question, and he's rehabbing and working his shoulder

This, to me, is an extremely positive development. If he’s in fact already doing activity & working through it, I’m a little more optimistic about his chances of making a relatively quick turnaround.

I’d mentioned up-thread that my own injury was almost immediately behind me once popped back into the socket. And mine was a full anterior (over the top) dislocation - my shoulder was hanging 3 ribs down. Worthy’s didn’t seem as bad as that. when he came over to the sidelines, it didn’t appear to be too far out of place.

Again, not a doctor but lots of personal experience with this exact injury. If he’s already rehabbing/working through it, I wouldn’t be shocked to see him play with a harness relatively quickly.

I may also be reading into that statement more than is warranted because i want him to get back quickly, so take it with a grain of salt. But it was a revealing quote in terms of where Worthy is in his recovery. It’s the next day. A report of no activity would have been equally telling, and much worse of an update.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Rapoport

https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1965111353364152509

#Chiefs coach Andy Reid describes Xavier Worthy as "day-to-day" talking to reporters, an indication that the plan is to rehab and attempt to play with a brace -- rather than immediate surgery. Some good news initially.

Are we sure that’s what Reid is saying? I have a pretty good grasp on the English language—but if you watch the first minute of this clip—he says that they are going to try rehab first and evaluate Worthy on a “day by day” basis. That to me does not mean that he’s considered “Day to Day’ in regard to a return to game action or availability. Let’s hear the words right of the man’s mouth and evaluate what is really being said. Before i risk being called a “pessimist” about Worthy—is anybody else hearing it the same as me? I provided the link to Andy Reid speaking below.

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Well SI seemed to take it as good news;

Good news for Chiefs fans: Xavier Worthy's dislocated shoulder injury does not appear to be season-ending.

Kansas City coach Andy Reid provided an update on his receiver's injury status during his Monday press conference.
“He’s rehabbing and working his shoulder, we’ll see where it goes, day by day,” Reid said.

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport noted that Reid's response leads him to believe that Worthy will rehab the shoulder and wear a brace instead of undergoing immediate surgery. This is what was reported to likely happen with Worthy on Sunday, and now Reid's answer seems to line up with that. Regardless of how the Chiefs go about Worthy's recovery, he will miss some time while building up the strength in his shoulder. It's unknown how much time the receiver is expected to miss.

So a couple of things there… they’re taking it “day by day” to see where it goes, and also Worthy’s injury is not season ending.

But it could indeed be weeks before he’s back. Or it could be less.

I don’t think that’s pessimistic at all - just the nature of this injury. Some players play through it. Some do not. I don’t think anyone knows anything until we’ve see this week’s practice reports.

What we know is it’s not considered season-ending. At the moment. That could change.

I don’t think that a lot of you don’t realize that a labrum is not a choose to play through it kind of injury. If his labrum is damaged (which it almost certainly is)—it means that his shoulder will be completely unstable in certain positions and will redislocate. Regular civilians can sometimes carry on with damaged labrum’s because most of us generally go through life with a certain set of shoulder/arm movements that are not extreme—we don’t necessarily need a full range of motion. However, if you have a damaged labrum and you are a wide receiver where you are stretching out to catch high/low/inside/outside passes—while at the same time trying to avoid defenders—you’re going to need a wide range of motion. Football coaches are like politicians—they don’t want to show their hands with the information they release and with how they say things.

If you listen to exactly what Reid says—the ONLY thing that he verifies is that as of now—the decision was made (and apparently they got two opinions from orthopedics) to not undergo surgery immediately. Immediate surgery means that his season is guaranteed to be lost. If you don’t do immediate surgery—all that means is that you are going to try to attempt to rehab the injury to see how it progresses. If it progresses well—you continue to rehab—if he’s still showing instability in certain positions—they could still very much go the surgical route. He’s says—and I’m paraphrasing—“no immediate surgery, we’re going to give rehab a try—and take things day by day to evaluate”. Effectively—what he’s saying is that the ONLY thing that have determined is that they are not doing immediate surgery, they are going to try a course of rehab—-and then evaluate to see where he is. There is nothing in what he says that indicates that he’s going to be ready to play in a few days, or even a few weeks. Remember—I’m not trying to be pessimistic—but I do think that you are evaluating things on the more optimistic side by connecting dots that are not what Reid is saying. I think the key here is to be objective—and objectively—the ONLY thing that I heard is that Reid verified no immediate surgery—they are going to try rehab—and evaluate from there.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

After reading updates on Worthy’s status, the reports are all pretty cagey. All the recent ines mention further testing and evaluation.

I’m starting to wonder if they need to wait for swelling to go down to do another MRI to evaluate for a rotator cuff tear.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Rapoport

https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1965111353364152509

#Chiefs coach Andy Reid describes Xavier Worthy as "day-to-day" talking to reporters, an indication that the plan is to rehab and attempt to play with a brace -- rather than immediate surgery. Some good news initially.

Are we sure that’s what Reid is saying? I have a pretty good grasp on the English language—but if you watch the first minute of this clip—he says that they are going to try rehab first and evaluate Worthy on a “day by day” basis. That to me does not mean that he’s considered “Day to Day’ in regard to a return to game action or availability. Let’s hear the words right of the man’s mouth and evaluate what is really being said. Before i risk being called a “pessimist” about Worthy—is anybody else hearing it the same as me? I provided the link to Andy Reid speaking below.

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Well SI seemed to take it as good news;

Good news for Chiefs fans: Xavier Worthy's dislocated shoulder injury does not appear to be season-ending.

Kansas City coach Andy Reid provided an update on his receiver's injury status during his Monday press conference.
“He’s rehabbing and working his shoulder, we’ll see where it goes, day by day,” Reid said.

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport noted that Reid's response leads him to believe that Worthy will rehab the shoulder and wear a brace instead of undergoing immediate surgery. This is what was reported to likely happen with Worthy on Sunday, and now Reid's answer seems to line up with that. Regardless of how the Chiefs go about Worthy's recovery, he will miss some time while building up the strength in his shoulder. It's unknown how much time the receiver is expected to miss.

So a couple of things there… they’re taking it “day by day” to see where it goes, and also Worthy’s injury is not season ending.

But it could indeed be weeks before he’s back. Or it could be less.

I don’t think that’s pessimistic at all - just the nature of this injury. Some players play through it. Some do not. I don’t think anyone knows anything until we’ve see this week’s practice reports.

What we know is it’s not considered season-ending. At the moment. That could change.

I don’t think that a lot of you don’t realize that a labrum is not a choose to play through it kind of injury. If his labrum is damaged (which it almost certainly is)—it means that his shoulder will be completely unstable in certain positions and will redislocate. Regular civilians can sometimes carry on with damaged labrum’s because most of us generally go through life with a certain set of shoulder/arm movements that are not extreme—we don’t necessarily need a full range of motion. However, if you have a damaged labrum’s and you are a wide receiver where you are stretching out to catch high/low/inside/outside passes—while at the same time trying to avoid defenders—you’re going to need a wide range of motion. Football coaches are like politicians—they don’t want to show their hands with the information they release and with how they say things.

If you listen to exactly what Reid says—the ONLY thing that he verifies is that as of now—the decision was made (and apparently they got two opinions from orthopedics) to not undergo surgery immediately. Immediate surgery means that his season is guaranteed to be lost. If you don’t do immediate surgery—all that means is that you are going to try to attempt to rehab the injury to see how it progresses. If it progresses well—you continue to rehab—if he’s still showing instability in certain positions—they could still very much go the surgical route. He’s says—and I’m paraphrasing—“no immediate surgery, we’re going to give rehab a try—and take things day by day to evaluate”. Effectively—what he’s saying is that the ONLY thing that have determined is that they are not doing immediate surgery, they are going to try a course of rehab—-and then evaluate to see where he is. There is nothing in what he says that indicates that he’s going to be ready to play in a few days, or even a few weeks. Remember—I’m not trying to be pessimistic—but I do think that you are evaluating things on the more optimistic side by connecting dots that are not what Reid is saying. I think the key here is to be objective—and objectively—the ONLY thing that I heard is that Reid verified no immediate surgery—they are going to try rehab—and evaluate from there.

Of course I realize it. I fully tore mine after multiple dislocations.

But that said, it was 15+ years before I had surgery to repair it. And for most of that time, it was fine.

It gets easier to dislocate after each time. But it absolutely is something a player can choose to play through. That penchant for re-injury is exactly why they wear a harness. It prevents exactly what you’re talking about.

It’s also possible this was a subluxation rather than a full dislocation. We don’t have those details.

 

[habsfan]

As a former goalie I dislocated my left shoulder about 7 times over the course of my "career". The more you do it, the easier it gets. It's all about the angle / direction of pressure. It wouldn't take much to pop it out and I couldn't imagine a pro athlete in a contact sport not getting that weakness addressed - whether surgically or otherwise.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

After reading updates on Worthy’s status, the reports are all pretty cagey. All the recent ines mention further testing and evaluation.

I’m starting to wonder if they need to wait for swelling to go down to do another MRI to evaluate for a rotator cuff tear.

I wouldn’t be shocked by that. But why would Reid say he was already working through it / rehabbing it? That, to me, describes a level of activity inconsistent with waiting for another MRI.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

As a former goalie I dislocated my left shoulder about 7 times over the course of my "career". The more you do it, the easier it gets. It's all about the angle / direction of pressure. It wouldn't take much to pop it out and I couldn't imagine a pro athlete in a contact sport not getting that weakness addressed - whether surgically or otherwise.

That is correct. I finally opted for surgery when mine basically fell out of the socket reaching for something (the handlebars of a wave runner in the middle of a lake. And what a delight that was, let me tell you.)

I’m 100% certain that he’ll have surgery to repair it. The question is whether that’s during the season, or after the season.

 

[Joe Bryant]

that I heard is that Reid verified no immediate surgery—they are going to try rehab—and evaluate from there.

Yes. I think that's what he's saying.

I don't think of "Day to Day" as a medical term in this case. I think it's describing there is no immediate decision made and we'll see how this goes and monitor and evaluate it day to day.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

that I heard is that Reid verified no immediate surgery—they are going to try rehab—and evaluate from there.

Yes. I think that's what he's saying.

I don't think of "Day to Day" as a medical term in this case. I think it's describing there is no immediate decision made and we'll see how this goes and monitor and evaluate it day to day.

That’s how I read it as well.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Rapoport

https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1965111353364152509

#Chiefs coach Andy Reid describes Xavier Worthy as "day-to-day" talking to reporters, an indication that the plan is to rehab and attempt to play with a brace -- rather than immediate surgery. Some good news initially.

Are we sure that’s what Reid is saying? I have a pretty good grasp on the English language—but if you watch the first minute of this clip—he says that they are going to try rehab first and evaluate Worthy on a “day by day” basis. That to me does not mean that he’s considered “Day to Day’ in regard to a return to game action or availability. Let’s hear the words right of the man’s mouth and evaluate what is really being said. Before i risk being called a “pessimist” about Worthy—is anybody else hearing it the same as me? I provided the link to Andy Reid speaking below.

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Well SI seemed to take it as good news;

Good news for Chiefs fans: Xavier Worthy's dislocated shoulder injury does not appear to be season-ending.

Kansas City coach Andy Reid provided an update on his receiver's injury status during his Monday press conference.
“He’s rehabbing and working his shoulder, we’ll see where it goes, day by day,” Reid said.

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport noted that Reid's response leads him to believe that Worthy will rehab the shoulder and wear a brace instead of undergoing immediate surgery. This is what was reported to likely happen with Worthy on Sunday, and now Reid's answer seems to line up with that. Regardless of how the Chiefs go about Worthy's recovery, he will miss some time while building up the strength in his shoulder. It's unknown how much time the receiver is expected to miss.

So a couple of things there… they’re taking it “day by day” to see where it goes, and also Worthy’s injury is not season ending.

But it could indeed be weeks before he’s back. Or it could be less.

I don’t think that’s pessimistic at all - just the nature of this injury. Some players play through it. Some do not. I don’t think anyone knows anything until we’ve see this week’s practice reports.

What we know is it’s not considered season-ending. At the moment. That could change.

I don’t think that a lot of you don’t realize that a labrum is not a choose to play through it kind of injury. If his labrum is damaged (which it almost certainly is)—it means that his shoulder will be completely unstable in certain positions and will redislocate. Regular civilians can sometimes carry on with damaged labrum’s because most of us generally go through life with a certain set of shoulder/arm movements that are not extreme—we don’t necessarily need a full range of motion. However, if you have a damaged labrum’s and you are a wide receiver where you are stretching out to catch high/low/inside/outside passes—while at the same time trying to avoid defenders—you’re going to need a wide range of motion. Football coaches are like politicians—they don’t want to show their hands with the information they release and with how they say things.

If you listen to exactly what Reid says—the ONLY thing that he verifies is that as of now—the decision was made (and apparently they got two opinions from orthopedics) to not undergo surgery immediately. Immediate surgery means that his season is guaranteed to be lost. If you don’t do immediate surgery—all that means is that you are going to try to attempt to rehab the injury to see how it progresses. If it progresses well—you continue to rehab—if he’s still showing instability in certain positions—they could still very much go the surgical route. He’s says—and I’m paraphrasing—“no immediate surgery, we’re going to give rehab a try—and take things day by day to evaluate”. Effectively—what he’s saying is that the ONLY thing that have determined is that they are not doing immediate surgery, they are going to try a course of rehab—-and then evaluate to see where he is. There is nothing in what he says that indicates that he’s going to be ready to play in a few days, or even a few weeks. Remember—I’m not trying to be pessimistic—but I do think that you are evaluating things on the more optimistic side by connecting dots that are not what Reid is saying. I think the key here is to be objective—and objectively—the ONLY thing that I heard is that Reid verified no immediate surgery—they are going to try rehab—and evaluate from there.

Of course I realize it. I fully tore mine after multiple dislocations.

But that said, it was 15+ years before I had surgery to repair it. And for most of that time, it was fine.

It gets easier to dislocate after each time. But it absolutely is something a player can choose to play through. That penchant for re-injury is exactly why they wear a harness. It prevents exactly what you’re talking about.

It’s also possible this was a subluxation rather than a full dislocation. We don’t have those details.

They verified a dislocation and the video from the event shows the doctors popping it back into place. A subluxation generally will pop back in on its own from what I understand.

 

[Skolpnw]

When Dalvin Cook dislocated his shoulder he returned 10 days later playing with a harness. He had surgery years later after a number of productive seasons. I'm sure there are others who've had similar injuries in recent years, I just remember Dalvin because of the "device" memes for the harness.

 

[fightingillini]

This is CMC 2024 day to day. Going to turn into weeks.

Maybe. The injury is nothing like CMC’s. The Chiefs are also better at reporting injuries than the 49ers. I’m not seeing an alnalogy here. I seriously doubt he’s out 8 weeks. Not unless he has surgery of some sort. In that case it would likely be the end of his 2025 season.

Hey HSG!

I don't think Worthy is out for 8 weeks unless he is having surgery, then it is for the season. But I would plan on him being out for 2-4 weeks. As others have said, it is a pain tolerance issue, but it is really easy to reinjure it. The last thing you want is for Worthy to come back too soon and reinjure it early and take another zero or small number.

KC would be dumb to trot him out at well less than fully capacity. Maybe I am wrong and he is truly DTD, if so, Worthy got really lucky it wasn't worse.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

that I heard is that Reid verified no immediate surgery—they are going to try rehab—and evaluate from there.

Yes. I think that's what he's saying.

I don't think of "Day to Day" as a medical term in this case. I think it's describing there is no immediate decision made and we'll see how this goes and monitor and evaluate it day to day.

I appreciate the feedback. One more thing that I would add is that when it comes to situations like this—the word “rehab” and “rehabbing” are words used to describe a course of action and not necessarily an “active” verb. When I got injured—I was given the option of immediate surgery—or trying to pursue healing it non surgically—which was referred to as “rehabbing it”. Rehabbing it did not mean that surgery was not a future option—it just meant that we were going to attempt healing it without surgery. This didn’t mean “immediate” exercises of the arm. Rehabbing it involved wearing an immobilization brace for weeks to allow the muscles/tendons that got stretched with the injury to tighten back up to provide some stability to the shoulder. It involved giving the injury time to let the swelling/bruising come down. When Reid says they have chosen to rehab it (or that he’s rehabbing it”—that doesn’t necessarily mean that Worthy is exercising is arm/shoulder yet. There is a strong likelihood that worthy coudl be spending most of his time in a brace right now.

 

[ponchsox]

My concern with Worthy is that he’s such a thin dude, if he comes back in a couple of weeks and lands on his bad shoulder. Can we really trust him in our lineup until he produces for a few weeks?

 

[Joe Bryant]

that I heard is that Reid verified no immediate surgery—they are going to try rehab—and evaluate from there.

Yes. I think that's what he's saying.

I don't think of "Day to Day" as a medical term in this case. I think it's describing there is no immediate decision made and we'll see how this goes and monitor and evaluate it day to day.

I appreciate the feedback. One more thing that I would add is that when it comes to situations like this—the word “rehab” and “rehabbing” are words used to describe a course of action and not necessarily an “active” verb. When I got injured—I was given the option of immediate surgery—or trying to pursue healing it non surgically—which was referred to as “rehabbing it”. Rehabbing it did not mean that surgery was not a future option—it just meant that we were going to attempt healing it without surgery. This didn’t mean “immediate” exercises of the arm. Rehabbing it involved wearing an immobilization brace for weeks to allow the muscles/tendons that got stretched with the injury to tighten back up to provide some stability to the shoulder. It involved giving the injury time to let the swelling/bruising come down. When Reid says they have chosen to rehab it (or that he’s rehabbing it”—that doesn’t necessarily mean that Worthy is exercising is arm/shoulder yet. There is a strong likelihood that worthy coudl be spending most of his time in a brace right now.

Right. Rehabbing means just that - treatment and exercises to get better.

I understand they'll be doing that and evaluating "day to day".

They'll try this, see how it goes and evaluate each day.

Could well mean they elect to do surgery and end his season at some point. That's part of "day to day" evaluation.

I think given the choices of

Rehab and give this a shot
or
Season ending surgery

most everyone hoping to see Worthy play this year will choose Rehab and give this a shot.

This isn't necesarrily good news for seeing Worthy this year. This is relatively good news for seeing Worthy this year meaning it's better than the other option.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Hey HSG!

I don't think Worthy is out for 8 weeks unless he is having surgery, then it is for the season. But I would plan on him being out for 2-4 weeks. As others have said, it is a pain tolerance issue, but it is really easy to reinjure it. The last thing you want is for Worthy to come back too soon and reinjure it early and take another zero or small number.

KC would be dumb to trot him out at well less than fully capacity. Maybe I am wrong and he is truly DTD, if so, Worthy got really lucky it wasn't worse.

Not disagreeing at all. But players have come back sooner than 4 weeks and worn the harness. We’ve seen it many times.

And since we don’t know the extent of the dislocation it’s just so hard to say what he’s dealing with here.

For those who don’t know, a subluxation is when the shoulder pops partially out, then immediately pops back in. When I was a kid this happened to me when I was swimming underwater doing laps in my grandparents pool. It happened to the same shoulder I’d eventually dislocate completely some 20 years later. It’s possible that’s what this was. If so, the timeline for recover and chance for re-injury is lessened.

But even a full dislocation could come down to pain tolerance (player) and risk tolerance (player and team). If no rotator cuff damage, and no associated damage to the AC joint or other parts of the shoulder, it is possible to play through it with a harness.

But I definitely agree that this could be a multiple-week absence. But it also might not be. We’ll collectively know more when they tell us more. More telling still will be the practice reports. If he’s practicing, we’ll likely have our answer.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

When Dalvin Cook dislocated his shoulder he returned 10 days later playing with a harness. He had surgery years later after a number of productive seasons. I'm sure there are others who've had similar injuries in recent years, I just remember Dalvin because of the "device" memes for the harness.

Exactly this. We’ve seen a number of top players return with a harness and be successful. I was shocked by Cook since as a RB, banging the shoulders is just part and parcel of the job. A WR could play a whole game and not get crunched between defenders, but RBs tend to draw more/harder contact.

Cook is one tough SOB was my take-away there.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

A subluxation generally will pop back in on its own from what I understand.

Mine did not. My grandpa had to push it back into place. But it wasn’t fully dislocated.

But if that’s been verified as a full dislocation, then disregard my comments on that. I just know from experience that they’re different things, and I know some folks see them as synonymous.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

When Dalvin Cook dislocated his shoulder he returned 10 days later playing with a harness. He had surgery years later after a number of productive seasons. I'm sure there are others who've had similar injuries in recent years, I just remember Dalvin because of the "device" memes for the harness.

I don’t doubt it—and I don’t doubt that the Chiefs will try to get Worthy back in the field at some point this season. However, there is a difference between the average arm movements of a WR and those of an RB. Wideouts have to do a lot of reaching to catch passes and require on average a far greater range of motion than a lot of other positions. I agree that Worthy is certainly going to need surgery at some time. If I was a betting man—my guess is that if it doesn’t happen during this season—he’ll have it immediately in the off season. The quick video below will explain how a labrum tear is more challenging for a WR. The doctor doesn’t doubt that he’ll be playing with a brace—but the doctor does say that he believes Worthy is more likely to miss 8 weeks or “season ending” even after the news about him playing in a brace came out.

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[Hot Sauce Guy]

This isn't necesarrily good news for seeing Worthy this year. This is relatively good news for seeing Worthy this year meaning it's better than the other option.

That’s exactly how I’m viewing it.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I’d expect the IRR tag this week.

 

[Willie Mays Hayes]

Holy cow, internet doctors are killing it! This was super-informative! After watching that, I don’t have high hopes on Worthy making a meaningful return this year. Sounds like even if he is able to come back, he will be limited in his ability and is just biding his time until surgery. At some point, the Chiefs may just need to let him get surgery and heal up for next season. Sounds like wishful thinking that this is going to heal on its own and he actually can make it worse.

 

[Snotbubbles]

When Dalvin Cook dislocated his shoulder he returned 10 days later playing with a harness. He had surgery years later after a number of productive seasons. I'm sure there are others who've had similar injuries in recent years, I just remember Dalvin because of the "device" memes for the harness.

I don’t doubt it—and I don’t doubt that the Chiefs will try to get Worthy back in the field at some point this season. However, there is a difference between the average arm movements of a WR and those of an RB. Wideouts have to do a lot of reaching to catch passes and require on average a far greater range of motion than a lot of other positions. I agree that Worthy is certainly going to need surgery at some time. If I was a betting man—my guess is that if it doesn’t happen during this season—he’ll have it immediately in the off season. The quick video below will explain how a labrum tear is more challenging for a WR. The doctor doesn’t doubt that he’ll be playing with a brace—but the doctor does say that he believes Worthy is more likely to miss 8 weeks or “season ending” even after the news about him playing in a brace came out.

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Was going to post just this. Most of the shoulder pain comes from lifting the arm which a WR does at a greater clip than a RB.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Holy cow, internet doctors are killing it! This was super-informative! After watching that, I don’t have high hopes on Worthy making a meaningful return this year. Sounds like even if he is able to come back, he will be limited in his ability and is just biding his time until surgery. At some point, the Chiefs may just need to let him get surgery and heal up for next season. Sounds like wishful thinking that this is going to heal on its own and he actually can make it worse.

Probably see what their record is at the week 10 bye. They have to face Philly, Giants, Baltimore, Jacksonville, Detroit, Las Vegas, Washington and Buffalo. If they're say 4-5 at that point and Worthy isn't very effective, they may bite the bullet.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

When Dalvin Cook dislocated his shoulder he returned 10 days later playing with a harness. He had surgery years later after a number of productive seasons. I'm sure there are others who've had similar injuries in recent years, I just remember Dalvin because of the "device" memes for the harness.

I don’t doubt it—and I don’t doubt that the Chiefs will try to get Worthy back in the field at some point this season. However, there is a difference between the average arm movements of a WR and those of an RB. Wideouts have to do a lot of reaching to catch passes and require on average a far greater range of motion than a lot of other positions. I agree that Worthy is certainly going to need surgery at some time. If I was a betting man—my guess is that if it doesn’t happen during this season—he’ll have it immediately in the off season. The quick video below will explain how a labrum tear is more challenging for a WR. The doctor doesn’t doubt that he’ll be playing with a brace—but the doctor does say that he believes Worthy is more likely to miss 8 weeks or “season ending” even after the news about him playing in a brace came out.

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Was going to post just this. Most of the shoulder pain comes from lifting the arm which a WR does at a greater clip than a RB.

Absolutely this. The role of an RB when they have the ball is to securely hold the ball in—so they are almost doing the opposite of a WR. WR’s constantly have to reach for passes coming their way and extend their arms—where an RB wants to keep their arms as close to their body to secure the ball as much as possible.

Also, I do want to make clear that even if the Chiefs do put him out there before he is “healthy”—there is a good chance that they could be doing it to use him as nothing more than a decoy to occupy the attention of defenders. They might put him out there without intending to pass to him because he holds value as a decoy. The key is this—a full recovery from an injury like this is almost certainly surgical—and if not surgical—a full rehab regimen that would certainly take more than just a couple of weeks (for the WR position). If they put him out there in a few weeks—fantasy owners need to be aware that his usage (possibly decoy) comes into play, and his durability is compromised (as even with a brace—his shoulder will redislocate easier). As a fantasy owners that has a high percentage of ownership when it comes to Worthy—I would love if he comes back soon. However when that news comes out, I’ll most likely try to find owners that are excited about his prospects and try to move him if I can get decent return. If he comes back, he’s going to come back with far greater risk than what we drafted him at.

 

[Willie Mays Hayes]

Would the brace limit full range of motion? I'm not familiar with how the brace supports this type of injury.

 

[Gally]

Would the brace limit full range of motion? I'm not familiar with how the brace supports this type of injury.

I would think by definition it would limit range of motion so it can't get extended to a weaker position.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Would the brace limit full range of motion? I'm not familiar with how the brace supports this type of injury.

I would think by definition it would limit range of motion so it can't get extended to a weaker position.

Kind of. The purpose isn’t to control range of motion as much as it’s there to keep the ball in the socket in the shoulder joint. It’s not necessarily limiting, it’s more there so that if he does take a hit to that shoulder it will stay in place. You can google around to see what they look like. Search “shoulder harness dislocated” and you’ll see em.


That said, whatever timeline he’s on will be determined by the severity of the dislocation, and what other damage was caused when it popped out. It could be a week, it could be 6 weeks.

The internet docs out there are all guessing if they haven’t seen his MRIs. Anyone who’s dislocated their shoulder can attest that it’s a wide range of possible outcomes.