WR Zay Flowers, BAL (2 Viewers)

[menobrown]

His size is a concern

Is it?
I think the NFL has been shifting to smaller WRs the last few years.

IDK I haven't done a deep dive into this or anything but of the top 10 WRs in receptions, yards or TDs only DeVonta Smith weighs less than Flowers (170 lbs) and only Tyreek & Waddle are the same height (5' 10"). The best guys seem to be closer to 6' 0" & 195 lbs (ish), it may not seem like much of a distinction from 5' 10" & 172 lbs but it is a game of inches.

But WTFDIK?

Fwiw he was 182 at the combine.

Zay Flowers bulks up for combine

 

[Chaka]

I have to admit, I was low on Flowers coming into the draft

coming into the draft? INTO?
I'd love ot hear your side of this one... He was comfortably my WR1 out of college

He's very slight of frame and played on a terrible team against mediocre opposition. He was contained by the one good team he faced (Clemson). He had no competition for targets and an meh QB who force fed him the ball. He's a year older, at least, than the other first round WRs and he didn't do much prior to his senior season with the same lack of competition for targets.

Terrible team, correct. Catching passes from guys named jurkovec and morehead. They combined for 2900yds and 21TDs. Zay responsible for 1100 and 12 of those.

As for v Clemson, he went 8/75 in that game. That's not "bottled". Even less so when the QBs threw for 210yds total, 0TDs on 42 attempts.

Anyways, you gave your points and I disagree w them. We'll see how he turns out. Lamar his biggest problem, imo.

You asked so I played Devil's advocate.

To your points: that the QBs threw for whatever and Zay caught half of it generally suggests that they simply force fed Zay the ball. Look at the #2 receiver on his teams for the past two years (it was a RB in 2022), there was zero competition for targets.

Regarding Clemson, if.you think 8 catches at least than 10 ypc is something to hang your hat on, you overvalue PPR. IRL Clemson willingly gave up a bunch of 5-8 yard chicken feathers and Zay/QB Whoever couldn't make chicken salad. Pretty sure that WR abilities contribute to QB stat lines.

To be very clear, abundantly so; I'm not saying Zay won't produce at this level. I'm not saying he won't be special. But there are considerable concerns about his ability to perform at the highest level of the sport.

Looking at Zay's measurables and comparing to the NFL reception, yardage and TD leaders in 2022 (which I imagine holds up to previous seasons) I think we should temper our expectations. He could be Tyreek, or Waddle or DaVonta...but Tavon Austin (and the like)... just sayin'.

 

[Chaka]

His size is a concern

Is it?
I think the NFL has been shifting to smaller WRs the last few years.

IDK I haven't done a deep dive into this or anything but of the top 10 WRs in receptions, yards or TDs only DeVonta Smith weighs less than Flowers (170 lbs) and only Tyreek & Waddle are the same height (5' 10"). The best guys seem to be closer to 6' 0" & 195 lbs (ish), it may not seem like much of a distinction from 5' 10" & 172 lbs but it is a game of inches.

But WTFDIK?

Fwiw he was 182 at the combine.

Zay Flowers bulks up for combine

Listed as 172 ATM.

 

[menobrown]

His size is a concern

Is it?
I think the NFL has been shifting to smaller WRs the last few years.

IDK I haven't done a deep dive into this or anything but of the top 10 WRs in receptions, yards or TDs only DeVonta Smith weighs less than Flowers (170 lbs) and only Tyreek & Waddle are the same height (5' 10"). The best guys seem to be closer to 6' 0" & 195 lbs (ish), it may not seem like much of a distinction from 5' 10" & 172 lbs but it is a game of inches.

But WTFDIK?

Fwiw he was 182 at the combine.

Zay Flowers bulks up for combine

Listed as 172 ATM.

Ravens Player Roster | Baltimore Ravens – baltimoreravens.com

 

[Chaka]

His size is a concern

Is it?
I think the NFL has been shifting to smaller WRs the last few years.

IDK I haven't done a deep dive into this or anything but of the top 10 WRs in receptions, yards or TDs only DeVonta Smith weighs less than Flowers (170 lbs) and only Tyreek & Waddle are the same height (5' 10"). The best guys seem to be closer to 6' 0" & 195 lbs (ish), it may not seem like much of a distinction from 5' 10" & 172 lbs but it is a game of inches.

But WTFDIK?

Fwiw he was 182 at the combine.

Zay Flowers bulks up for combine

Listed as 172 ATM.

Ravens Player Roster | Baltimore Ravens – baltimoreravens.com

Okay. PFR has him at 172 and 5'10" so I am not sure 182 & 5'9" is comforting . That makes him at least an inch shorter (Tyreek is listed at 5'10") than any of the 2022 top dozen WRs in TDs, receptions & yards and heavier than only one or two of them.

There aren't a ton of great NFL WRs with his physical profile. Certainly there are some, including some guy named Tyreek (and some guy named Tavon Austin), but let's not act as if it isn't a concern.

 

[Chaka]

I just have concerns about small twitchy guys who are expected to use their suddenness to make YAC.

I am sure there are plenty of success stories but guys like Zay make me think of guys like Peter Warrick, Tavon Austin, Az-Zahir Hakim, Percy Harvin etc...

I refuse to use an all-time apex performer (Tyreek) as a comp. It's just unfair to Zay and an unrealistic expectation. But I hope Lamar and Monken can help make him the next Tyler Lockett.

 

[Soulfly3]

When he went to Baltimore i dropped him from 1 to 2 or 3.

Then I learned about Monken, BAL fans talking about the passing game being more relevant (has to be or lamar will die) etc etc.

I thought to myself... Self, you don't think Lamar is a very good THROWING QB.... You think he's good at best. So which WR on that roster is going to benefit most from a guy like that? For me, it was Flowers in the short game.

And for some odd reason (and maybe I just talked myself into it) i think Lamar starts to improve as a passer

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

When he went to Baltimore i dropped him from 1 to 2 or 3.

Then I learned about Monken, BAL fans talking about the passing game being more relevant (has to be or lamar will die) etc etc.

I thought to myself... Self, you don't think Lamar is a very good THROWING QB.... You think he's good at best. So which WR on that roster is going to benefit most from a guy like that? For me, it was Flowers in the short game.

And for some odd reason (and maybe I just talked myself into it) i think Lamar starts to improve as a passer

Hollywood Brown sure flourished in the deep game.

Perhaps you’re just underrating Lamar Jackson’s ability to throw, or confusing a lack of quality targets with an inability to throw?

You landed at a good conclusion, but I question the assumptions that got you there.

 

[King of the Jungle]

When he went to Baltimore i dropped him from 1 to 2 or 3.

Then I learned about Monken, BAL fans talking about the passing game being more relevant (has to be or lamar will die) etc etc.

I thought to myself... Self, you don't think Lamar is a very good THROWING QB.... You think he's good at best. So which WR on that roster is going to benefit most from a guy like that? For me, it was Flowers in the short game.

And for some odd reason (and maybe I just talked myself into it) i think Lamar starts to improve as a passer

Hollywood Brown sure flourished in the deep game.

Perhaps you’re just underrating Lamar Jackson’s ability to throw, or confusing a lack of quality targets with an inability to throw?

You landed at a good conclusion, but I question the assumptions that got you there.

I remember there being highlight reels of Lamar missing throws to Marquise. Maybe that was early and improved but there are still questions whether he can carry an offense with his arm because he has not proven he can yet. Lack of targets or inability? This year should answer that question.

 

[Chaka]

When he went to Baltimore i dropped him from 1 to 2 or 3.

Then I learned about Monken, BAL fans talking about the passing game being more relevant (has to be or lamar will die) etc etc.

I thought to myself... Self, you don't think Lamar is a very good THROWING QB.... You think he's good at best. So which WR on that roster is going to benefit most from a guy like that? For me, it was Flowers in the short game.

And for some odd reason (and maybe I just talked myself into it) i think Lamar starts to improve as a passer

I think Lamar gets knocked as a passer simply because he is such a great runner. He gets dismissed for the same things Josh Allen gets praised for.

We'll find out more this season, but I am not sure what to expect from Monken and I still question the quality/depth of the WR corps. OBJ, Bateman & Zay all have great potential and big question marks. Would love if they made a play for Hopkins but that's just a pipe dream.

 

[jm192]

When he went to Baltimore i dropped him from 1 to 2 or 3.

Then I learned about Monken, BAL fans talking about the passing game being more relevant (has to be or lamar will die) etc etc.

I thought to myself... Self, you don't think Lamar is a very good THROWING QB.... You think he's good at best. So which WR on that roster is going to benefit most from a guy like that? For me, it was Flowers in the short game.

And for some odd reason (and maybe I just talked myself into it) i think Lamar starts to improve as a passer

I think Lamar gets knocked as a passer simply because he is such a great runner. He gets dismissed for the same things Josh Allen gets praised for.

We'll find out more this season, but I am not sure what to expect from Monken and I still question the quality/depth of the WR corps. OBJ, Bateman & Zay all have great potential and big question marks. Would love if they made a play for Hopkins but that's just a pipe dream.

I think he's just never put up "good" numbers in the passing game.

If the offense is really more pass heavy under Monken--he should have a career year in passing yards.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Would love if they made a play for Hopkins but that's just a pipe dream.

That woulda been an either/or with OBJ, considering the $.

IMO they chose poorly, but time will tell there, too.

 

[Chaka]

When he went to Baltimore i dropped him from 1 to 2 or 3.

Then I learned about Monken, BAL fans talking about the passing game being more relevant (has to be or lamar will die) etc etc.

I thought to myself... Self, you don't think Lamar is a very good THROWING QB.... You think he's good at best. So which WR on that roster is going to benefit most from a guy like that? For me, it was Flowers in the short game.

And for some odd reason (and maybe I just talked myself into it) i think Lamar starts to improve as a passer

I think Lamar gets knocked as a passer simply because he is such a great runner. He gets dismissed for the same things Josh Allen gets praised for.

We'll find out more this season, but I am not sure what to expect from Monken and I still question the quality/depth of the WR corps. OBJ, Bateman & Zay all have great potential and big question marks. Would love if they made a play for Hopkins but that's just a pipe dream.

I think he's just never put up "good" numbers in the passing game.

If the offense is really more pass heavy under Monken--he should have a career year in passing yards.

I get it, I can't help but feel the same way at times. But Jackson puts up Josh Allen numbers. The difference is Allen throws the ball 240 more times per year (not a typo).

Everyone discounts Jackson's 2019 season because it feels so long ago. And that's fair but we accept Allen's 2020 season as a fact despite a big drop off over the past two years.

Allen may be better (may) but the margin between those two is very slim.

 

[jm192]

When he went to Baltimore i dropped him from 1 to 2 or 3.

Then I learned about Monken, BAL fans talking about the passing game being more relevant (has to be or lamar will die) etc etc.

I thought to myself... Self, you don't think Lamar is a very good THROWING QB.... You think he's good at best. So which WR on that roster is going to benefit most from a guy like that? For me, it was Flowers in the short game.

And for some odd reason (and maybe I just talked myself into it) i think Lamar starts to improve as a passer

I think Lamar gets knocked as a passer simply because he is such a great runner. He gets dismissed for the same things Josh Allen gets praised for.

We'll find out more this season, but I am not sure what to expect from Monken and I still question the quality/depth of the WR corps. OBJ, Bateman & Zay all have great potential and big question marks. Would love if they made a play for Hopkins but that's just a pipe dream.

I think he's just never put up "good" numbers in the passing game.

If the offense is really more pass heavy under Monken--he should have a career year in passing yards.

I get it, I can't help but feel the same way at times. But Jackson puts up Josh Allen numbers. The difference is Allen throws the ball 240 more times per year (not a typo).

Everyone discounts Jackson's 2019 season because it feels so long ago. And that's fair but we accept Allen's 2020 season as a fact despite a big drop off over the past two years.

Allen may be better (may) but the margin between those two is very slim.

Jackson doesn't put up Josh Allen numbers in the passing game.

Allen has 3 straight seasons with 4,000 yards. Lamar has never had 4,000 yards. Lamar has never had 3,200 yards.

I agree with your point about the difference in passing attempts. Lamar hasn't had the volume. And maybe once he finally gets it, he will show he can match Josh Allen's numbers.

But right now, it's simply not fair to say he's putting up Josh Allen numbers in the passing game.

 

[ghostguy123]

When he went to Baltimore i dropped him from 1 to 2 or 3.

Then I learned about Monken, BAL fans talking about the passing game being more relevant (has to be or lamar will die) etc etc.

I thought to myself... Self, you don't think Lamar is a very good THROWING QB.... You think he's good at best. So which WR on that roster is going to benefit most from a guy like that? For me, it was Flowers in the short game.

And for some odd reason (and maybe I just talked myself into it) i think Lamar starts to improve as a passer

I think Lamar gets knocked as a passer simply because he is such a great runner. He gets dismissed for the same things Josh Allen gets praised for.

We'll find out more this season, but I am not sure what to expect from Monken and I still question the quality/depth of the WR corps. OBJ, Bateman & Zay all have great potential and big question marks. Would love if they made a play for Hopkins but that's just a pipe dream.

I think he's just never put up "good" numbers in the passing game.

If the offense is really more pass heavy under Monken--he should have a career year in passing yards.

I get it, I can't help but feel the same way at times. But Jackson puts up Josh Allen numbers. The difference is Allen throws the ball 240 more times per year (not a typo).

Everyone discounts Jackson's 2019 season because it feels so long ago. And that's fair but we accept Allen's 2020 season as a fact despite a big drop off over the past two years.

Allen may be better (may) but the margin between those two is very slim.

Jackson doesn't put up Josh Allen numbers in the passing game.

Allen has 3 straight seasons with 4,000 yards. Lamar has never had 4,000 yards. Lamar has never had 3,200 yards.

I agree with your point about the difference in passing attempts. Lamar hasn't had the volume. And maybe once he finally gets it, he will show he can match Josh Allen's numbers.

But right now, it's simply not fair to say he's putting up Josh Allen numbers in the passing game.

Curious, anyone know their per game averages? As we know, Lamar has missed some time

 

[Chaka]

When he went to Baltimore i dropped him from 1 to 2 or 3.

Then I learned about Monken, BAL fans talking about the passing game being more relevant (has to be or lamar will die) etc etc.

I thought to myself... Self, you don't think Lamar is a very good THROWING QB.... You think he's good at best. So which WR on that roster is going to benefit most from a guy like that? For me, it was Flowers in the short game.

And for some odd reason (and maybe I just talked myself into it) i think Lamar starts to improve as a passer

I think Lamar gets knocked as a passer simply because he is such a great runner. He gets dismissed for the same things Josh Allen gets praised for.

We'll find out more this season, but I am not sure what to expect from Monken and I still question the quality/depth of the WR corps. OBJ, Bateman & Zay all have great potential and big question marks. Would love if they made a play for Hopkins but that's just a pipe dream.

I think he's just never put up "good" numbers in the passing game.

If the offense is really more pass heavy under Monken--he should have a career year in passing yards.

I get it, I can't help but feel the same way at times. But Jackson puts up Josh Allen numbers. The difference is Allen throws the ball 240 more times per year (not a typo).

Everyone discounts Jackson's 2019 season because it feels so long ago. And that's fair but we accept Allen's 2020 season as a fact despite a big drop off over the past two years.

Allen may be better (may) but the margin between those two is very slim.

Jackson doesn't put up Josh Allen numbers in the passing game.

Allen has 3 straight seasons with 4,000 yards. Lamar has never had 4,000 yards. Lamar has never had 3,200 yards.

I agree with your point about the difference in passing attempts. Lamar hasn't had the volume. And maybe once he finally gets it, he will show he can match Josh Allen's numbers.

But right now, it's simply not fair to say he's putting up Josh Allen numbers in the passing game.

Curious, anyone know their per game averages? As we know, Lamar has missed some time

I think I started a derail. I posted my response in the Lamar thread.

 

[barackdhouse]

Well I sure think Lamar has developed as a passer. He has incredible touch and a cannon when he needs it. Main thing holding him back has been Greg Roman and questionable WR talent. I think the sky is the limit here for Zay Flowers.

 

[dipandglide]

Well I sure think Lamar has developed as a passer. He has incredible touch and a cannon when he needs it. Main thing holding him back has been Greg Roman and questionable WR talent. I think the sky is the limit here for Zay Flowers.

Baltimore has been working to surround him with more receiving talent. We saw what happened with Allen and Hurts once they got their young QB a WR1. I hope Zay and Rashod can develop

 

[wgoldsph]

Moved up from 1.11 to 1.09 in a ppr pp1st down league to grab him

 

[dipandglide]

Flowers pops off the screen when you watch highlights. Waldman compared him to Waddle. They're both shifty. I'd love it if Flowers were 70% of what Waddle became.

 

[Faust]

Sarah Ellison @sgellison
James Jones: “I talked to [Todd] Monken and he said, ‘We’re taking Lamar Action Jackson back to Louisville. It’s four wide...He’s gonna throw this thang.”

“Another thing I’m hearing out of that camp is Zay Flowers is the best WR out there, including OBJ, and it ain’t close.”

https://twitter.com/sgellison/status/1682181057762975744?s=21

 

[Faust]

Final Drive: Buzz Is Growing Around Zay Flowers

Ravens Rookie Zay Flowers Draws Comparison To Former All-Pro WR

 

[Soulfly3]

Sarah Ellison @sgellison
James Jones: “I talked to [Todd] Monken and he said, ‘We’re taking Lamar Action Jackson back to Louisville. It’s four wide...He’s gonna throw this thang.”

“Another thing I’m hearing out of that camp is Zay Flowers is the best WR out there, including OBJ, and it ain’t close.”

https://twitter.com/sgellison/status/1682181057762975744?s=21

I tried to tell 'em all, Faust... I really did.

 

[Faust]

NFL Beat Writers @32BeatWriters

"In an interview on "The Lounge" podcast, [Zay] Flowers said he's been playing all three receiving positions – X, Z and F – during practices this offseason.'That's what I want. That's exactly what I want. As long as I'm touching the ball, I feel like I can make a play from anywhere, no matter where it is.''[Monken's] offense allows everyone to be able to get the ball. Just spread everybody out, move pieces around, and get everybody open. I just want to touch the ball. I don't care how – screens, deeps balls, intermediate routes, shallow crosses – it doesn't matter. As long as I'm touching the ball, I feel confident that I can help the team."

https://twitter.com/32beatwriters/status/1683521433694003200?s=21

 

[Faust]

Zay Flowers Loves His Role in Todd Monken's Offense

 

[Faust]

OBJ & Zay: WRs Star On Day 1 Of Ravens Training Camp

Lamar Jackson Reveals New Nickname for Ravens 1st-Rounder Zay Flowers

 

[Chaka]

Lamar Jackson Reveals New Nickname for Ravens 1st-Rounder Zay Flowers

I'll spare everyone the click.

It's "Joystick" y'know because of his ability to change direction suddenly.

 

[Faust]

Ryan Mink @RyanMink

Marcus Williams says Zay Flowers “is going to be a star” as long as he puts in the work. Don’t have to worry about the rookie doing that.

https://twitter.com/ryanmink/status/1684656706490433536?s=21

 

[Faust]

Jamison Hensley @jamesonhensley

Ravens first-round pick Zay Flowers was one of the stars in one-on-one drills, using his route running to get wide open at times. He then caught a TD pass from Lamar Jackson in a red-zone drill.

https://twitter.com/jamisonhensley/status/1686445798953775104?s=21

 

[Faust]

ESPN’s Jamison Hensley believes Zay Flowers and Odell Beckham are “solidifying themselves as the top two wide receivers in Baltimore.”

Rashod Bateman remains out because of his foot issues, so Flowers and Bateman have gotten every opportunity to cement themselves ahead of him on the depth chart. Beckham has made a handful of highlight-real plays while Hensley’s review of Flowers, taken with the No. 22 overall pick this year, was glowing. Hensley noted his smooth route-running and mentioned a pair of red zone scores that came from Lamar Jackson. With Flowers catching the eyes of coaches pus media members and Beckham inked to a $15 million contract for just one year, it’s looking increasingly likely that Bateman is only seeing the field in three-receiver sets.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

ESPN’s Jamison Hensley believes Zay Flowers and Odell Beckham are “solidifying themselves as the top two wide receivers in Baltimore.”

Rashod Bateman remains out because of his foot issues, so Flowers and Bateman have gotten every opportunity to cement themselves ahead of him on the depth chart. Beckham has made a handful of highlight-real plays while Hensley’s review of Flowers, taken with the No. 22 overall pick this year, was glowing. Hensley noted his smooth route-running and mentioned a pair of red zone scores that came from Lamar Jackson. With Flowers catching the eyes of coaches pus media members and Beckham inked to a $15 million contract for just one year, it’s looking increasingly likely that Bateman is only seeing the field in three-receiver sets.

Wanted: Editor.

 

[Faust]

Practice Report: Zay Flowers Cooks in 1-on-1 Drills

Peter King calls WR Zay Flowers ‘the most impressive rookie he has seen through any camp’

 

[Soulfly3]

I triiiiiiiiiiiied to tell em, Faust!!!

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Very high on my wish list. I'm confident that he'll be good. Any concerns about a 5'9'' WR becoming great? I'm ultimately hoping for a potential top-12 WR.

If I go through the current dynasty WR rankings, I'm seeing a lot of 5'10"s. Less than one inch difference in height obviously isn't going to stop him from greatness, but 5'10'' does seem to be the current "cutoff". Steve Smith was 5'9'' and is a comparison that comes up, but he was obviously one of the all-time junkyard dogs. Any other WRs under 5'10" that I need to add to my rallying call to buy in to a potentially high ceiling?

Asking also in part because of 5'8'' Demario Douglas.

 

[J Giles Band]

ESPN’s Jamison Hensley believes Zay Flowers and Odell Beckham are “solidifying themselves as the top two wide receivers in Baltimore.”

Rashod Bateman remains out because of his foot issues, so Flowers and Bateman have gotten every opportunity to cement themselves ahead of him on the depth chart. Beckham has made a handful of highlight-real plays while Hensley’s review of Flowers, taken with the No. 22 overall pick this year, was glowing. Hensley noted his smooth route-running and mentioned a pair of red zone scores that came from Lamar Jackson. With Flowers catching the eyes of coaches pus media members and Beckham inked to a $15 million contract for just one year, it’s looking increasingly likely that Bateman is only seeing the field in three-receiver sets.

Wanted: Editor.

Pardon the hijack... but this has become a broken record at NBC (former Rotoworld). They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel with the guys (probably HS or college kids) doing the news blurbs. What used to be a valuable info source is a shell of what it used to be... you can safely ignore the 'analysis' part.

 

[Lansdowne]

ESPN’s Jamison Hensley believes Zay Flowers and Odell Beckham are “solidifying themselves as the top two wide receivers in Baltimore.”

Rashod Bateman remains out because of his foot issues, so Flowers and Bateman have gotten every opportunity to cement themselves ahead of him on the depth chart. Beckham has made a handful of highlight-real plays while Hensley’s review of Flowers, taken with the No. 22 overall pick this year, was glowing. Hensley noted his smooth route-running and mentioned a pair of red zone scores that came from Lamar Jackson. With Flowers catching the eyes of coaches pus media members and Beckham inked to a $15 million contract for just one year, it’s looking increasingly likely that Bateman is only seeing the field in three-receiver sets.

Wanted: Editor.

Pardon the hijack... but this has become a broken record at NBC (former Rotoworld). They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel with the guys (probably HS or college kids) doing the news blurbs. What used to be a valuable info source is a shell of what it used to be... you can safely ignore the 'analysis' part.

Agreed, quality control is really lacking. Lots of these errors are becoming more frequent in the blurbs.

 

[Faust]

Nobody can stop Ravens rookie Zay Flowers after six days of practice

 

[cantstop1999]

This guy is one of my must haves !!!!

 

[Soulfly3]

My only fear for him is durability... But he just might be too quick in pads for anyone to get a good lick on him.
I know it's not en vongue to do/say, but hoping he ducks/slides outta tackles instead of trying to be SS Jr.

 

[Faust]

Ryan Mink

Zay Flowers 1-on-1s have become a viewing spectacle like OBJ warm-ups. Zay’s quickness is next level.

https://twitter.com/ryanmink/status/1688635391941730304?s=21

 

[Tanner9919]

so all we have in the way is R. Bateman , a guy wit 61 recs to his name? why are we touting this bust? anyone?! hello?
OBJ is up to his old tricks I see, literally making one-handed catches in camp - as in, I'm standing and the balls thrown and I catch it, while standing still. it's not hard to see why he's been on 13 teams in 4 years lol. just catch the damn ball with two hands bro. use both hands. no one cares you can make a 1 handed catch, most other guys can too.
2 is the number of games before obj totally flakes out again leaving the Ravens holding the bag. bad signing by them. he's only in it for himself, and only in it for a paycheck. and Harbaugh sucks as a head coach. prove me wrong. 3 times since 2012 have they been in the top 9 in total offense. barely a .500 team since 2012. not sure I understand why everyone is drinking the kool-aid here.
Zay Flowers by all accounts is killing it. if he's barely a starting NFL wr he'll do well in Balt., they have no one else! I like the reports of this guy, reminds me of another rookie last season - J. Dotson. no one could cover him and he did very well in his rookie season. I think Flowers might be better.

 

[TripItUp]

My only fear for him is durability...

This

not a lot of dudes his size that can carry big volume...maybe he's an outlier, and maybe he isn't.

 

[Faust]

NFL Beat Writers @32BeatWriters

Zay Flowers
"The hype train for the rookie first-round pick has gotten a bit out of control. Still, it’s hard to watch Flowers torch cornerbacks in one-on-ones with his quickness and suddenness and get targeted regularly in full-team sessions and not conclude that he’ll have a significant offensive role. Flowers has drawn rave reviews for his work ethic, intelligence and desire, and members of the coaching staff have done little to disguise how excited they are that he’s on the roster. Yes, the Ravens’ history of drafting and developing receivers isn’t good. Yet, all we can currently judge is what we’re seeing, and Flowers has been impressive."

https://twitter.com/32beatwriters/status/1688742995409993729?s=21

 

[General Malaise]

Boy, Peter King had some high praise for the kid....

In Owings Mills, the Ravens’ offense is struggling—QBs threw nine picks in Saturday’s practice, which is as bad as it sounds, even for August—but one player stood out watching this team Wednesday: wide receiver Zay Flowers, the best rookie I’ve seen in nine camps so far. Four plays in one practice series:

1. Flowers, on cornerback Kevon Seymour, runs a 15-yard incut. On the cut inside, he creates five yards of air. Pass complete.

2. Ditto. Same play. Same separation. Same corner. Completion.

3. Flowers stutter-steps a different corner. Back-shoulder completion from Lamar Jackson.

4. White flag raised: As Flowers jitterbugs off the line of scrimmage, another corner grabs the jersey above both shoulder pads. Flowers is stuck in his tracks. You’re not embarrassing me, the move said.

Flowers is going to be a problem for corners.

 

[dipandglide]

Let's goooooooo!

 

[cantstop1999]

I toke him in the FFPC, round 7 , had to have him. Could be a monster and if the team has some injuries ( WRS) he could be unreal.

 

[Faust]

'He's going to break a lot of ankles:' Why Zay Flowers is the talk of Ravens camp

 

[tangfoot]

Harbaugh sucks as a head coach. prove me wrong. 3 times since 2012 have they been in the top 9 in total offense. barely a .500 team since 2012. not sure I understand why everyone is drinking the kool-aid here.

103-78 since 2012. 2 losing seasons in 11 years.
8th best winning percentage in the league over the past decade.

Turrible!

 

[Chaka]

Harbaugh sucks as a head coach. prove me wrong. 3 times since 2012 have they been in the top 9 in total offense. barely a .500 team since 2012. not sure I understand why everyone is drinking the kool-aid here.

103-78 since 2012. 2 losing seasons in 11 years.
8th best winning percentage in the league over the past decade.

Turrible!

I remember my first time reading a Tanner post.


Ahhhh...good times.

 

[Faust]

Bo Smolka
Zay Flowers draws his second penalty of the drive. His burst, precise route running is going to be a problem for defenders

https://twitter.com/bsmolka/status/1690509832514670592?s=21