parasaurolophus
Footballguy
That's pretty simple actually. I will try to use easy pit owner words.
If dog bite arm and not let go, Grog not die.
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Yet another Pitt Bull attack (3 Viewers)
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If dog bite arm and not let go, Grog not die.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
What did you mean by this then?
"There is a big difference between "capable of" and "bred for". I dont know why you keep bringing up other dogs. It does nothing to disprove the fact that pit bulls were bred for a pretty sick purpose and have a built in ability to inflict a lot of harm. No other dog breed has any effect on that. "
I'm the only one providing possible solutions to this problem. You guys are dead set on banning pits.
Do you have any alternative suggestions that would make both sides happy?
Maybe a special license to own certain types of breeds (with a few of course) that includes a background check?
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
well it could explain the horrible argumentation process you make us endure in a way that easy to accept.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Ugh.
No use here. You can't even offer up a decent solution aside from keeping them away from people completely.
Have a good day.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Harry Manback
Footballguy
There's a dozen different dogs that are capable of more damage than a pit bull.
Otis
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Actually, my brother's family has a sweet pit/lab mix that is terrified of conflict. I think he was abused. He's also probably the coolest dog I've ever met.
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Dedfin
Footballguy
Yo dude, I know you are a smart, rational dude. I really haven't kept up with eveyrone's arguments on this, so forgive me if you already made points regarding this. I figure of anyone here that is down with these types of dogs, you'd do best making whatever points there are to make. I'd like to know, do you think "pit bull" (in quotes bc people can't tell much of a difference between a handful of these types of dogs) attacks is a problem at all? Or is this more a reflection of people will find whatever they are looking for? If you do think it's a problem, do you think it's something we should/could solve? If so, how?
Thanks modogg
modogg
Footballguy
i like a good dialogue. i'd say "pit bull" attacks are an issue, but not as huge of a one as this thread makes them to be. @ChainsawU is better at bringing some good data to this, but i think the number of "pit bull" dogs owned is larger then other breeds (this is because of a whole slew of reasons like people not getting dogs spayed/neutered). and i think the news knows if they have a headline with pit bull attack in it, more people will click. i don't think this is usually done on purpose, more so like you elude to above, etc.
i would say probably 30-40 pages back there were good solutions offered to help curb it. In my opinion, if it isn't pit bulls, then it would be Cane Corsos, Dobermans, or a good handful of medium/large size dogs so eliminating the breed won't really solve anything. Others have good solutions, and my wife is much more into caring about the breed as a whole (i just mostly care about mine and got into this stuff when the ideas of breed specific legislation was suggested). there isn't a cure all, but i can see if people don't read articles thoroughly or just headlines it is scary. Quite a few of the stories in this thread, if you read the whole article you can get an idea of why a dog attack may occur (irresponsible dog ownership, not exercising dogs while having them in a small apartment, etc. i think @eoMMan can answer better possible solutions then my laziness can answer right now
modogg
Footballguy
i am sure i have answered this a few times, but rescue shelters in Philly are like 95% pit bulls. My dog is supposed to be a "boxer mix", but after i got her pretty much everybody said she is a pit bull, so i wasn't looking for a pit bull per se, but i also wasn't looking to avoid them either. the dog i got just connected well with my wife and i, so we got it
modogg
Footballguy
not really. i was younger when i got her, and had more time. Was very vigilant with training and socializing her, and have taken her to training for awhile because they wanted her to be a therapeutic dog (the SPCA deemed her "sociallty immature" so she didn't pass the cetification). but it wasn't because she was a pit bull, i think anybody who gets a dog should put the time in to train them and bond with them. i think after taking her to dog parks and seeing her socialize i became more comfortable seeing her temperment, etc. (there was a time when she was going after a tennis ball with a big german sheppard. got the ball and held onto it, and the german sheppard literally flipped her in the air. his owner was there too, and luckily my dog was just confused because she only wanted to play, didn't feel the need to attack or anything). best comparison i have is my other dog. We trained him pretty close to what i did with her (without the therapeutic dog training stuff), but he is a different dog. i still trust him, but do have to watch him different then my pit bull
ETA: i will also add, i was just lucky with my pit bull. I almost didn't have to train my pit bull. she was so eager to please she picked stuff immediately and it totally obedient. i have had various dogs through my life, and never have had one so easily trained as her
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modogg
Footballguy
corgis are nasty. there was maybe 2-3 dogs that my wife and i have fostered that weren't pit bulls (simply a numbers thing) and we had a corgi once. attacked my pitbull and bit her right on the nose, and again my pit bull just kind of stood there confused. But this thing was a nasty dog.
modogg
Footballguy
man, F this thread and F you guys. now my wife is all fired up and won't leave me alone until i share 2 sources she wants me to. I drew the line at providing the titles and authors, so:
Dog Bite by Janis Bradley (some national trainer certified program or something, again i don't want to lead this charge, i just like my dog)
The Working Pit Bull by Diane Jessup (an Animal Control Officer or something).
she used both sources for writing a paper. first one is a quick easy read, and basically answers about all the dog bite data in the country and uses factual data. better then that cookey lady and her website
Dog Bite by Janis Bradley (some national trainer certified program or something, again i don't want to lead this charge, i just like my dog)
The Working Pit Bull by Diane Jessup (an Animal Control Officer or something).
she used both sources for writing a paper. first one is a quick easy read, and basically answers about all the dog bite data in the country and uses factual data. better then that cookey lady and her website
Otis
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
You had brought up labs.
Which is a silly comparison, but even the other breeds you have brought up have zero effect on the abilities of a pit bull. Pointing out a rottweiler is dangerous too doesn't make a pit bull less dangerous.
Great article below from Victoria Stillwell. She's that famous, British dog trainer lady. Just a guess but I think she knows more about this topic than any of us.
https://positively.com/victorias-blog/the-truth-about-pit-bulls/
From her article:
"Yes, some people have been killed by pit bull types and some have been killed by other breeds, but the correlation between the majority of these deaths, regardless of breed or breed type, is owner ignorance, recklessness and irresponsibility. Most of the human deaths from dogs he has investigated over many years could have been prevented if human failure had not been such a significant contributing factor."
As I said about 5 million times already....we should focus on the owner and not the specific breed.
GROOT
Footballguy
I went to a dog festival recently. I have 2 dogs. There were a lot of dogs and owners there. I happen to witness 3 dog scuffles that day. All of them involved pit bulls. The last scuffle happened right behind me where a pitbull would not let go of a another dog's neck. Somehow the 2 dogs were separated, but I grabbed my Shi-zu and labrador retriever and left.
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modogg
Footballguy
i moved a few years back and my neighbors have dogs. In those 3 years, my pit bull and rottweiller have been attacked 3 times. Only one time did one of the retaliate, but all 3 attacks happened with dogs less then 20 pounds who weren't on leashes. the only retalitation was when my rottweiller swatted this yorkie who was barking in his face and went to bite his face. actually they get attacked quite a bit, but are well trained and listen well. maybe because i know what happens if one of my dogs attacks back (and it won't matter i'm sure, story will be pit bull or rottweiller attacks small dog), and they are trained. their shackles will raise, and if i didn't have them on leashes i can't guarantee they would totally listen (though they have in the odd instance where they are not on a leash and something occurs)
and with your example, how many of the dogs at the festival were pit bulls. This is a good example of some other things, if 80% of the dogs there were "pit bull mixes" (which is probably 30 different breeds) then i would imagine the chance one of those gets in a fight is better because of sheer numbers
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
it is a blog. Not an article. And it is junk.
Of course most deaths could have been prevented. Almost any sudden horrific death could be prevented. That's a stupid statement to make.
Lets look at a few of her other winners...
Again, a stupid point to make. Yeah, we concede. There is always a reason. Good job columbo. Of course there is a reason. But guess what, moronic dog lady, people barely pay attention to their kids. You think they are going to pick up on the subtle and easily misunderstood mental issues of their dogs? Piss off.
Ummmm...... lady.... you didn't even answer your own freaking question. WHY DID SO MANY OWNERS GIVE UP THOSE DOGS????
It isnt the breed!!!! It is just that we haven't spent enough tax dollars in the school system to teach kids how to become better pit bull psychologists and read their body language!! Jonny can't keep his finger out of his nose and somehow he is supposed to be able to pick up on the subtle hints the neighbor's pit bull is dropping. Jesus christ these people are freaking nuts.
You know, like when little sally grabs their squeaky chew toy, and they try to take it back from them and sally pulls it away and the dog latches onto the toy and sally's arm. If its a scotty she barely gets a mark. If its a pit it might take two people to pry it off of her.
Wow!!!! Brilliant conclusion here from this expert. Holy cow. That is some groundbreaking stuff. Who knew that dogs werent cloned cyborgs with programmable chips. Of course not ALL dogs behave a certain way. Nobody ever said every single pit bull is waiting for the right moment to chew your face off. This is the problem with pit bull owners/advocates. It is nothing but made up stuff they argue against.
ChainsawU
Footballguy
modogg
Footballguy
lol, i am so slow on the uptake these days. i got a kid who apparently has the same sleeping patterns as her dad, and she is a total vampire
ChainsawU
Footballguy
I received my dog as an accident. As a favor to a friend. And I just raised her like I was raised, and all the labs I was raised with. She won't fetch. That is definitely a concept she doesn't possess. But she is fifteen. And I'm not much older. And she has been, over and over again, the most behaved out of all the dogs. She makes it a point to be and sets a good example. And she is a dog. Believe it or not. Mothers. My friends' mothers. Are taken aback when they hear "pit bull" after we've already spent the weekend with them, their families, and their dogs and cats.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
So you know more than a famous dog trainer with years and years of experience being around all types of dogs, including pit bulls, and working first hand on correcting their behavioral issues?
Her entire point is that people just need to be better at understanding dogs. That is literally all she brought to the table. While that may seem like a noble goal, it is a pretty futile one. It is like she has never met people. It is like she has never seen the idiots out there that let their kids get into everything while they are burying their faces in their phones.
So yes, to answer your question, I am smarter than silly dog lady that advocates for spending tax dollars on dog psychology classes in schools as required learning and blames the media for why there are so many pits at the humane society. It isnt the breed!!!!! It is that we dont have special doggy classes in our schools! It isnt the breed, its the media! Fake news!
How many dogs (any breed) have you trained in your life?
Victoria Stilwell was just on HLN within the past month and she was asked her opinion on pit bulls (because she is silly and knows nothing, right?)
When was the last time you were asked for your "expert" opinion on anything dog related?
Any links to books you've written?
Have you done any TV shows on dog behavior like Ms. Stilwell has?
modogg
Footballguy
i'm just going to guess you have never had dogs. that has nothing to do with pit bulls, any dog not on a leash can react differently depending on stimuli around.
modogg
Footballguy
why you assume all pit bulls (which again, isn't even really a breed) are dangerous and violent is so mind-boggling wrong it is certainly a non-starting point.
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