Yet another Pitt Bull attack (2 Viewers)

[modogg]

I just assumed this sort of thing was common  knowledge

The Breeds Most Likely to Kill

As of May 25, 2013, the USA death count from dogs in 2013 is 14. Of these, 13 people were killed by pit bulls. In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:

"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.) 

The Clifton study of attacks from 1982 through 2006 produced similar results. According to Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% of the canine homicides that occurred during a period of 24 years in the USA. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.)

Everytime you check out anything about dog violence, there it....pit bull.

I don't care if there is some....well it;s the owners.....that is a so what.  I don't need anything around me that can kill my kids and are known to be violent. I could probably handle a pit I do carry a big knife and am a big guy, but I don't like knowing these dogs are close by and hopefully their owner treats them right.  A lot of people have these dogs because they have that bad rep.

These dogs were bred to fight, ya know...pit....?

i have 2 dogs, one is a pit mix and one is a rottweiller mix.  Maybe Otis is right, guess i got to get a neck tattoo this weekend and begin to devolve my ability to speak articulately.  

that being said, my neighbors love my dogs. My rottweiller is one i need to watch a little more than my pit, but that guy is a real good guard dog (of course the deuche can be alerted by a stray cat as much as a stranger going through a yard). and my pit mix is probably the worst guard dog out of all breeds. Thankfully threads like this keep people thinking pitbulls are deadly killers so the deterrent is there, but i'll give you a tip. if you ever want to rob my house, come in and say hi to the pitbull and the worst she will do is lick the hell out of you

 

[ZenoRazon]

i have 2 dogs, one is a pit mix and one is a rottweiller mix.  Maybe Otis is right, guess i got to get a neck tattoo this weekend and begin to devolve my ability to speak articulately.  

that being said, my neighbors love my dogs. My rottweiller is one i need to watch a little more than my pit, but that guy is a real good guard dog (of course the deuche can be alerted by a stray cat as much as a stranger going through a yard). and my pit mix is probably the worst guard dog out of all breeds. Thankfully threads like this keep people thinking pitbulls are deadly killers so the deterrent is there, but i'll give you a tip. if you ever want to rob my house, come in and say hi to the pitbull and the worst she will do is lick the hell out of you

And I have a sister with a pit (actually her husband who is an accountant) a very sweet dog.

I have no doubts there are tons of stories like yours but...stats and facts are just that.  It has been proven pit bulls are a vicious breed of dog and capable of causing some very serious harm, that is not speculation or opinion, that is a proven fact.

And yes, some do want these dogs because of that bad rep, I also know a few of these.

 

[Ignoramus]

Guys, I have a dachshund that isn't yippy, so dachshunds definitely aren't yippy dogs at all it's just the media's fault.

 

[AAABatteries]

worst she will do is lick the hell out of you

I have a feeling at least one of the owners of the pits mentioned in this thread have said something similar.

 

[AAABatteries]

Also, I was thinking about this the other day - humans can change or evolve or have bad days or get sick/injured and change their personality on a dime.  You may have a pit that is lovable and wouldn’t hurt a flee but maybe he’s had nothing but good days in his life and he hasn’t had stress or a rush of adrenaline to deal with.  Maybe your pit has developed some kind of doggie disease which can cause him to not think clearly.  Now you have an animal which was breed to be a bad mamma jamma and you can’t control when he goes from Pit Bruce Banner to Pit Hulk.  Animals aren’t robots that are programmed and do what we tell them - they are independent beings with minds and emotions and just like us they can have bad days and they can snap.  I just hope for the people in here that own one that their pup only has Bruce Banner days. Me, I’m not taking that risk because if I want a dog I can go get another breed that if he has his Hulk day won’t potentially rip my face off.

 

[DallasDMac]

Me, I’m not taking that risk because if I want a dog I can go get another breed that if he has his Hulk day won’t potentially rip my face off.

This is the piece I just don't get. So many breeds of dogs in this world. Why the poster above would chose a Pit and Rott, it just boggles my mind. And I am not picking on that poster/owner. I am being totally honest when I say I just can't comprehend why someone would make that choice with so many safer alternatives.

 

[Otis]

I have a feeling at least one of the owners of the pits mentioned in this thread have said something similar.

That was a direct quote I think from an article about the dog who ate the neighbor’s baby. 

Sweetest thing. Used to just lick everyone’s faces. So shocking. Something something. 

 

[Otis]

This is the piece I just don't get. So many breeds of dogs in this world. Why the poster above would chose a Pit and Rott, it just boggles my mind. And I am not picking on that poster/owner. I am being totally honest when I say I just can't comprehend why someone would make that choice with so many safer alternatives.

I can speculate about why people do that, if you’d like. It seems it’s often the guys with neck tats from trailer parks. It’s probably partly an education and judgment thing. But also possibly partly a wanting to be a cool guy/tough guy thing.  Maybe a small peener thing too?

 

[parasaurolophus]

Also, I was thinking about this the other day - humans can change or evolve or have bad days or get sick/injured and change their personality on a dime.  You may have a pit that is lovable and wouldn’t hurt a flee but maybe he’s had nothing but good days in his life and he hasn’t had stress or a rush of adrenaline to deal with.  Maybe your pit has developed some kind of doggie disease which can cause him to not think clearly.  Now you have an animal which was breed to be a bad mamma jamma and you can’t control when he goes from Pit Bruce Banner to Pit Hulk.  Animals aren’t robots that are programmed and do what we tell them - they are independent beings with minds and emotions and just like us they can have bad days and they can snap.  I just hope for the people in here that own one that their pup only has Bruce Banner days. Me, I’m not taking that risk because if I want a dog I can go get another breed that if he has his Hulk day won’t potentially rip my face off.

They also cant be wiped clean when you adopt one. We always hear its the owners, its the owners...

Well how the hell do you know how the previous owner treated the dog? It isnt like the dog can tell you. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

 bit of a jump there saying of course a dog is a much riskier dog based on it's breed. To be honest, people i see with pitbulls usually have a much better trained dog than those with small breed dogs. that is because they know their dog needs socialization and training, and put the time and effort into it. those with small breeds are the one's that yap like crazy and are often the one's who don't get regular exercise and thus more likely to be less predictable. I

know the argument in this thread is a small breed bite won't kill me, which is likely true. Still doesn't make it right though

You conflated your responsible ownership ability and the dog's capabilities.  Any breed you own will be less likely than others of the same breed to cause problems because, due to your ability and responsibility that eventuality is far less likely to arise.  That said, if problems arise the more capable dog is the more dangerous dog.  There is no question about this.  My shepherd is far more dangerous than my daughter's peekapoo.  It is simply a fact.  The one is far more capable an animal than the other.  They both were trained by me, and are supervised often by me, though not exclusively, and are essentially equally well behaved, though the peekapoo is spoiled.  They are equally likely, or I should say unlikely to go off and attack, but only one is dangerous to anything other than an infant.

Sadly, of course, is the fact that many owners, of all breeds, are poor owners, far less responsible, likely, than are you. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

This is the piece I just don't get. So many breeds of dogs in this world. Why the poster above would chose a Pit and Rott, it just boggles my mind. And I am not picking on that poster/owner. I am being totally honest when I say I just can't comprehend why someone would make that choice with so many safer alternatives.

Its a weird mindset. I know three people that have a pit. All three of course post on facebook all the time about their dog. How the cat bullies him, how he licks everybody so much, so gentle, blah blah. Funny that the one didnt post about the time that her pit attacked another dog at the dog park. That wasnt her dogs fault, nope. That was because there was another dog that was causing trouble which caused her dog to get riled up and then attack the small defenseless third party dog. 

I have one other facebook friend that posts regularly about their hunting dog. Thats it. So the "look at me" is really strong with pit owners. At least the female ones. 

 

[tjnc09]

I can speculate about why people do that, if you’d like. It seems it’s often the guys with neck tats from trailer parks. It’s probably partly an education and judgment thing. But also possibly partly a wanting to be a cool guy/tough guy thing.  Maybe a small peener thing too?

Hm, none of those things describe me.  Should I speculate on why you are okay with an increased risk of health problems?  

 

[tjnc09]

My dog didn't rip my limbs off last night.  Thanks to you all for making the world a better place!

 

[Otis]

Hm, none of those things describe me.  Should I speculate on why you are okay with an increased risk of health problems?  

Because I have no discipline and enjoy booze and junk food?  Don’t need a PhD for that one. 

I will note, however, that my lust for Twinkies doesn’t put your kids’ lives at risk. 

 

[tjnc09]

Because I have no discipline and enjoy booze and junk food?  Don’t need a PhD for that one. 

I will note, however, that my lust for Twinkies doesn’t put your kids’ lives at risk. 

More medical claims means higher premiums. Less affordable healthcare means more people die.  I guess that's okay because it is something that selfishly brings you happiness, right?  

 

[Otis]

More medical claims means higher premiums. Less affordable healthcare means more people die.  I guess that's okay because it is something that selfishly brings you happiness, right?  

So you’re now equating the impact of me being 20lbs overweight has on our health care system with the danger you’re subject your neighbors’ children to on a daily basis?

 

[Otis]

By the way, if you reject my stated reasons for why people must choose to get a pit bull out of thousands of dog breeds, curious to hear the reason you chose that breed?

I’ll put down my pit bull and listen.  

 

[tjnc09]

So you’re now equating the impact of me being 20lbs overweight has on our health care system with the danger you’re subject your neighbors’ children to on a daily basis?

Equate?  That's ridiculous.  Weight problems kill millions of Americans.  Scary dogs don't.

 

[Otis]

Equate?  That's ridiculous.  Weight problems kill millions of Americans.  Scary dogs don't.

Well, I do appreciate your concern for my welfare. If your dog eats you, I have to be honest and say I’ll just kind shrug and move on. If your dog eats your neighbor’s kid though?  That would be a tragedy. 

 

[ILUVBEER99]

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/detroit-resident-fights-off-pit-bull-attacking-mail-carrier-with-garbage-can-club-hammer-belt

3 grown men with weapons had trouble stopping the attack.  totally normal.  

 

[tjnc09]

Well, I do appreciate your concern for my welfare. If your dog eats you, I have to be honest and say I’ll just kind shrug and move on. If your dog eats your neighbor’s kid though?  That would be a tragedy. 

You inspire me to adopt another one.  Maybe two.  Thanks GB!

 

[modogg]

This is the piece I just don't get. So many breeds of dogs in this world. Why the poster above would chose a Pit and Rott, it just boggles my mind. And I am not picking on that poster/owner. I am being totally honest when I say I just can't comprehend why someone would make that choice with so many safer alternatives.

go to a shelter in an urban environment. my pit is around 11 years old, you go to a local shelter in a city and it is like 99% pitbulls. I haven't been in awhile, so not sure it is the same (have actually seen they are saying there are tons of huskies in shelters now because people wanted dogs similar to dire wolves in Game of Thrones, and turned the huskies in).

wasn't like we were seeking out a pit for her. my main thing with a dog is I just don't like little one's. middle size and large size are more what I am accustomed to. both of the dog are muts, so what they are mixed with, I have no idea

ETA: funny thing was my dog was advertised as a "boxer" and my rottweiller was advertised as a "mastiff"

 

[Ignoramus]

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/detroit-resident-fights-off-pit-bull-attacking-mail-carrier-with-garbage-can-club-hammer-belt

3 grown men with weapons had trouble stopping the attack.  totally normal.  

Can't read the article at work.  This was a golden retriever,  right?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Because I have no discipline and enjoy booze and junk food?  Don’t need a PhD for that one. 

I will note, however, that my lust for Twinkies doesn’t put your kids’ lives at risk. 

Unless the come between you and the display shelf at the grocery. 

 

[tjnc09]

Can't read the article at work.  This was a golden retriever,  right?

No, a pit bull attacked for six minutes and the body count was SEVEN PEOPLE

 

[Tom Skerritt]

By the way, if you reject my stated reasons for why people must choose to get a pit bull out of thousands of dog breeds, curious to hear the reason you chose that breed?

I’ll put down my pit bull and listen.  

And by “put down your pit bull” can we assume you mean euthanize?

 

[Otis]

And by “put down your pit bull” can we assume you mean euthanize?

Bingo. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

go to a shelter in an urban environment. my pit is around 11 years old, you go to a local shelter in a city and it is like 99% pitbulls. I haven't been in awhile, so not sure it is the same (have actually seen they are saying there are tons of huskies in shelters now because people wanted dogs similar to dire wolves in Game of Thrones, and turned the huskies in).

wasn't like we were seeking out a pit for her. my main thing with a dog is I just don't like little one's. middle size and large size are more what I am accustomed to. both of the dog are muts, so what they are mixed with, I have no idea

ETA: funny thing was my dog was advertised as a "boxer" and my rottweiller was advertised as a "mastiff"

I imagine labeling them differently helps get them adopted. Pit bulls and rottweilers are #1 and #2 in this country for murder by dog.

 

[Ignoramus]

No, a pit bull attacked for six minutes and the body count was SEVEN PEOPLE

It's funny because it was only three adults.

But they're just as dangerous as a pug, amirite.

 

[Northern Voice]

I have one other facebook friend that posts regularly about their hunting dog. Thats it. So the "look at me" is really strong with pit owners. At least the female ones. 

I post pictures of my Golden Retrievers all the time

 

[parasaurolophus]

More medical claims means higher premiums. Less affordable healthcare means more people die.  I guess that's okay because it is something that selfishly brings you happiness, right?  

Fat people don't live as long and are less likely to become health care super users for an extended period of time. Just like smokers. And heavy drinkers. 

 

[tjnc09]

Fat people don't live as long and are less likely to become health care super users for an extended period of time. Just like smokers. And heavy drinkers. 

 yeah, normal people worry about taking care of their health, not somebody's pet.

 

[Otis]

 yeah, normal people worry about taking care of their health, not somebody's pet.

I think the word you meant instead of normal is selfish. I would think the person who is more concerned about a stranger’s children than his own health is actually not a half bad guy. 

Up is down in this bizarro thread. It’s like the Tiger Woods thread. 

 

[Chaka]

I just assumed this sort of thing was common  knowledge

The Breeds Most Likely to Kill

As of May 25, 2013, the USA death count from dogs in 2013 is 14. Of these, 13 people were killed by pit bulls. In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:

"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.) 

The Clifton study of attacks from 1982 through 2006 produced similar results. According to Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% of the canine homicides that occurred during a period of 24 years in the USA. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.)

Everytime you check out anything about dog violence, there it....pit bull.

I don't care if there is some....well it;s the owners.....that is a so what.  I don't need anything around me that can kill my kids and are known to be violent. I could probably handle a pit I do carry a big knife and am a big guy, but I don't like knowing these dogs are close by and hopefully their owner treats them right.  A lot of people have these dogs because they have that bad rep.

These dogs were bred to fight, ya know...pit....?

Sorry but...

 

[ZenoRazon]

Sorry but...

There are only a few TONS of similiar stuff, stats, info all proving when it comes to vicious, dangerous, violent dogs it will be the pit bull.

This kind of thing all over the place.

The following infographic shows that the Pit Bull is still responsible for the most fatal attacks in the U.S. by far, killing 284 people over that 13-year period - 66 percent of total fatalities. That's despite the breed accounting for just 6.5% of the total U.S. dog population. The Rottweiler came second with 45 fatal attacks recorded while the German Shepherd was third with 20. Even some breeds that are not associated with aggression, such as the Labrador Retriever, also make the top-10 list with 9 fatal attacks documented.

 

[eoMMan]

Can't read the article at work.  This was a golden retriever,  right?

No, but another loose dog that attacks = irresponsible dog owner.

Penalize the hell out of the owner...don't punish the breed.

 

[Chaka]

There are only a few TONS of similiar stuff, stats, info all proving when it comes to vicious, dangerous, violent dogs it will be the pit bull.

This kind of thing all over the place.

The following infographic shows that the Pit Bull is still responsible for the most fatal attacks in the U.S. by far, killing 284 people over that 13-year period - 66 percent of total fatalities. That's despite the breed accounting for just 6.5% of the total U.S. dog population. The Rottweiler came second with 45 fatal attacks recorded while the German Shepherd was third with 20. Even some breeds that are not associated with aggression, such as the Labrador Retriever, also make the top-10 list with 9 fatal attacks documented.

That isn't what I was laughing at.

 

[tjnc09]

I think the word you meant instead of normal is selfish. I would think the person who is more concerned about a stranger’s children than his own health is actually not a half bad guy. 

Up is down in this bizarro thread. It’s like the Tiger Woods thread. 

Stop pretending like you are "concerned about a stranger's children" because you spend 20 minutes each day complaining on a fantasy football forum.  You have done nothing in real life to change something you keep saying is so horrible.  That seems really difficult for you to understand.

 

[DallasDMac]

Stop pretending like you are "concerned about a stranger's children" because you spend 20 minutes each day complaining on a fantasy football forum.  You have done nothing in real life to change something you keep saying is so horrible.  That seems really difficult for you to understand.

I'd be interested to hear exactly what you think he can do stop folks from owning dangerous animals? I admittedly am a little shuked here. Or am I misunderstanding your point?

 

[seahawk 17]

Interesting sides to the debate. I have a neighbor who lets his pit run around off leash. Everytime the the dog is out there, my kids are not. Carry on.

 

[Otis]

Interesting sides to the debate. I have a neighbor who lets his pit run around off leash. Everytime the the dog is out there, my kids are not. Carry on.

Bingo. I’m sorry your neighbor is a jackhole. 

 

[Otis]

Stop pretending like you are "concerned about a stranger's children" because you spend 20 minutes each day complaining on a fantasy football forum.  You have done nothing in real life to change something you keep saying is so horrible.  That seems really difficult for you to understand.

So you’re mad I didn’t start a foundation or lobby Congress or something? 

 

[AAABatteries]

So you’re mad I didn’t start a foundation or lobby Congress or something? 

Right, tjnc thinks unless you start a cancer foundation you don’t really care about it killing people.  I’m pretty sure he’s a troll alias but if not then that’s the kind of sound logic I would expect from pit bull defenders.

 

[Otis]

Did @tjnc09 ever tell us his legitimate reasons for choosing a pit bull over another breed?  He seems to suggest my guesses as to why somebody would choose one are incorrect, so I’m curious to know why then he chose one.

 

[tjnc09]

Right, tjnc thinks unless you start a cancer foundation you don’t really care about it killing people.  I’m pretty sure he’s a troll alias but if not then that’s the kind of sound logic I would expect from pit bull defenders.

Why don't you make a poll asking who has been adversely affected by cancer and who has been adversely affected by a dog?  Then do all us a favor by admitting that is the dumbest comparison in the history of the Internet.  

 

[tjnc09]

So you’re mad I didn’t start a foundation or lobby Congress or something? 

Why would I be mad?  I appreciate your lack of real concern since the breed shouldn't be banned.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Right, tjnc thinks unless you start a cancer foundation you don’t really care about it killing people.  I’m pretty sure he’s a troll alias but if not then that’s the kind of sound logic I would expect from pit bull defenders.

You're better than this

 

[modogg]

i am coming in here to renounce I am no longer a "pit bull defender". Had a mentally ill lady in my backyard this morning, and my friggin' pit bull just sat at the door looking at her. No vicious growling, and didn't kill the lady. Trading her in for one of Otis' pit bulls that he constantly talks about

 

[Chaka]

Why don't you make a poll asking who has been adversely affected by cancer and who has been adversely affected by a dog?  Then do all us a favor by admitting that is the dumbest comparison in the history of the Internet.  

It is an extreme comparison but that does not make it invalid.

What would you suggest one do to demonstrate they care about an issue?  Are people only allowed to care about issues they proactively act upon? Once a person fills all their waking hours acting upon issues they care about are they no longer allowed to care about other issues?

Would you clarify your position?

 

[Otis]

Why would I be mad?  I appreciate your lack of real concern since the breed shouldn't be banned.

Thanks for checking in again. Are you going to answer the question?  Or no?