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Yet another Pitt Bull attack (2 Viewers)

Brendon1215 said:
This nonsense needs to STOP. First off, the term "pit bull" is not an actual breed name. A "pitbull" is essentially a street name used that makes up four breed -- the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier and the American Bulldog. The stereotype around "pitbulls" comes from unfit owners using them for an improper reason. Any dog is what you make it. There are false myths that say "pitbulls" can't feel pain, they have locking jaws, etc. which are all utter nonsense. In temperament tests, "pitbulls" have actually tested better than German Shepherd's and Golden Retrievers! People fail to realize that most dogs attack because they are provoked. I have owned many, many dogs, and many "pitbulls" as well. A dog just doesn't 'snap' for no reason, they will always hint that they're about to snap. Out of all my dogs I have owned, my American Pit Bull Terrier that I currently own has been the nicest dog I have ever had. There is a negative connotation because of stupid people in the ghetto using dogs (NOT just "pitbulls") to fight. Any dog is what you make it...It's just like a child...how you raise it is how it will be. Unfit owners are the problem, not the breed. 

Watch this and do your own research before you listen to ever last piece of nonsense that flows through your television...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Cqn4ZZ660 
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A dog just doesn't 'snap' for no reason, unless it is A pitbull

 
Brendon1215 said:
I've owned 6 and none of them have shown any sort aggression towards me. I wonder why...
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Probably because you are a full grown adult male.  When you look at the victim of pitbull bites/attacks they are mostly young, elderly or women.  The kind of people we're supposed to go out of our way to protect. 

 
The news has been talking a lot lately about kids eating those laundry detergent pods.

Should we blame the pods (manufacturers of pods) or the irresponsible parents who leave the pods within their kid's reach?

 
Card Trader said:
You're a terrible person?  They seem to only attack good innocent people.  Considering you've brought 6 of these unstable weapons into your home I'd have to assume you are in fact a terrible person.
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Lol, what a closed minded fool. 

The ones who attack have most likely been involved in dog fighting and they're probably owned by incompetent people.

Mine have been trained by the best in the business, so I have no problems... 

Spend 20 minutes with a properly trained "pitbull" and your opinion will drastically change. 

 
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Brendon1215 said:
Lol, what a closed minded fool. 

The ones who attack have most likely been involved in dog fighting and they're probably owned by incompetent people.

Mine have been trained by the best in the business, so I have no problems... 

Spend 20 minutes with a properly trained "pitbull" and your opinion will drastically change. 
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:lmao:

BEST IN THE BUSINESS!!!!1!!

 
Brendon1215 said:
Lol, what a closed minded fool. 

The ones who attack have most likely been involved in dog fighting and they're probably owned by incompetent people.

Mine have been trained by the best in the business, so I have no problems... 

Spend 20 minutes with a properly trained "pitbull" and your opinion will drastically change. 
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Spend 20 minutes with the parents of a child killed by one of those dumb animals and your opinion will drastically change. 

Or maybe not. You've owned six and you're not dead!

 
Otis said:
Spend 20 minutes with the parents of a child killed by one of those dumb animals and your opinion will drastically change. 

Or maybe not. You've owned six and you're not dead!
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You do realize that "pitbulls" aren't the only dogs who have attacked & killed children, correct? 

Most dogs are capable of doing so...

 
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Brendon1215 said:
This nonsense needs to STOP. First off, the term "pit bull" is not an actual breed name. A "pitbull" is essentially a street name used that makes up four breed -- the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier and the American Bulldog. The stereotype around "pitbulls" comes from unfit owners using them for an improper reason. Any dog is what you make it. There are false myths that say "pitbulls" can't feel pain, they have locking jaws, etc. which are all utter nonsense. In temperament tests, "pitbulls" have actually tested better than German Shepherd's and Golden Retrievers! People fail to realize that most dogs attack because they are provoked. I have owned many, many dogs, and many "pitbulls" as well. A dog just doesn't 'snap' for no reason, they will always hint that they're about to snap. Out of all my dogs I have owned, my American Pit Bull Terrier that I currently own has been the nicest dog I have ever had. There is a negative connotation because of stupid people in the ghetto using dogs (NOT just "pitbulls") to fight. Any dog is what you make it...It's just like a child...how you raise it is how it will be. Unfit owners are the problem, not the breed. 

Watch this and do your own research before you listen to ever last piece of nonsense that flows through your television...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Cqn4ZZ660 
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You don't base laws around those who are responsible.  The facts are pretty simple.  

A.  Most people are lazy morons.

B.  Most people who own breeds like the pitbull are even lazier morons.  

C.  These breeds are known to show dominant and aggressive behavior.  If not trained properly, they can do a lot of damage to other animals or humans.

D.  Because of A and B, we can't allow C.  

I mentioned it before, I've owned this breed.  I paid $1,500 for a well-bred Amstaff who I immediately took to an 8 week training course.  I made sure it was well socialized with people and other dogs.  Despite all this, it still showed signs of dog aggression and would growl at my child.  I'm a responsible pit owner and I still felt this dog was a danger to my family.  Do I think that I couldn't have this same issue with my Boston Terriers?  Of course not.  But my Bostons aren't going to cause a 20-stitch trip to the hospital like my wife's pit/lab mix did.  

Even if it was just a function of proper training, there aren't enough people like you and me to offset the dangers created by the idiots out there.  

 
I imagine we will not hear pit bull advocates referring to it as the "nanny dog" in regards to this incident.

Me, I would not allow any dog on the bed next to my three day old infant.  For that matter I would not allow any cats, snakes or reptiles, ferrets, pot bellied pigs, rabbits, nothing next to them.

Some like to argue that these incidents are always about bad owners, others that they are caused by a defect in the breed.  Me, I just know that I watch out for me and mine.  These dogs are among the things I watch out for.  They are not on top of the list, and it is a long list, but these dogs, and these types of owners bear my being vigilant.

 
beavers said:
I have a lot of discussion in here regarding pit bulls, and my obvious distrust of the breed. I initially contacted a township board member of our town, and was asking about anti pit legislation. I have since backed off, and decided to take the calm, neighborly approach.

I stopped by the house that we're moving into in a month or so, which is neighbors with 2 pits (1 lab/pit mix, and 1 full pit). We get out of the house, and the full pit runs up to my daughter, in my yard. I think okay, the owner (is right there, and she had the situation under control). She has a shock collar on both dogs.

We spent some neighborly time around the fire pit, drinking beer and small talk. One of which included a discussion about the full pit. They adopted him in January, and my partner kept asking why he was always the one caged. The neighbor boys across the street are deathly afraid of him (and it seems like all large dogs) so they cage him when they are over. She kinda laughed it off, and since I was drinking, I decided to refrain from engaging since I'm very passionate about this and will revisit.

On Monday, I stop by to give my extended a FaceTime tour of the house. I pull in my driveway, and both dogs are circling my car. WTF. The owner was riding her mower, with headphones. At this point, I am in a situation that the owner is a turd. And, a tough conversation will have to happen. So frustrating, if you're going to get a powerful dog like a pit, then take the proper precautions and be a responsible owner.
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Regardless of what breed of dog your neighbor owns, you shouldn't be subjected to the dogs circling your car in your driveway. That's pretty ridiculous. You really need to have a serious, sit down conversation with them. 

 
beavers said:
I have a lot of discussion in here regarding pit bulls, and my obvious distrust of the breed. I initially contacted a township board member of our town, and was asking about anti pit legislation. I have since backed off, and decided to take the calm, neighborly approach.

I stopped by the house that we're moving into in a month or so, which is neighbors with 2 pits (1 lab/pit mix, and 1 full pit). We get out of the house, and the full pit runs up to my daughter, in my yard. I think okay, the owner (is right there, and she had the situation under control). She has a shock collar on both dogs.

We spent some neighborly time around the fire pit, drinking beer and small talk. One of which included a discussion about the full pit. They adopted him in January, and my partner kept asking why he was always the one caged. The neighbor boys across the street are deathly afraid of him (and it seems like all large dogs) so they cage him when they are over. She kinda laughed it off, and since I was drinking, I decided to refrain from engaging since I'm very passionate about this and will revisit.

On Monday, I stop by to give my extended a FaceTime tour of the house. I pull in my driveway, and both dogs are circling my car. WTF. The owner was riding her mower, with headphones. At this point, I am in a situation that the owner is a turd. And, a tough conversation will have to happen. So frustrating, if you're going to get a powerful dog like a pit, then take the proper precautions and be a responsible owner.
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so did they chew thru the car doors to get at you?

 
Good luck Beavers.  Even though I don't support going so far as pit legislation, this situation has a lot of red flags flying.  Not only the inattentive owners, but that fact that one of the pits is relatively new to the family.  Plus there is more than one dog so you have the pack mentality to deal with.  All the while you have a child to protect that's way more vulnerable.  I'm assuming you can't get out of this lease? 

 
beavers said:
I never expected the dogs to be outside of my car. As I  mentioned before, I was focused on giving my extended family a FaceTime tour, not on dogs circling my car. It scared the crap out of me actually, as I had no idea what it was at first.
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did you exit the car or stay inside until they got tired and layed down?

 
Captain Cranks said:
You don't base laws around those who are responsible.  The facts are pretty simple.  

A.  Most people are lazy morons.

B.  Most people who own breeds like the pitbull are even lazier morons.  

C.  These breeds are known to show dominant and aggressive behavior.  If not trained properly, they can do a lot of damage to other animals or humans.

D.  Because of A and B, we can't allow C.  

I mentioned it before, I've owned this breed.  I paid $1,500 for a well-bred Amstaff who I immediately took to an 8 week training course.  I made sure it was well socialized with people and other dogs.  Despite all this, it still showed signs of dog aggression and would growl at my child.  I'm a responsible pit owner and I still felt this dog was a danger to my family.  Do I think that I couldn't have this same issue with my Boston Terriers?  Of course not.  But my Bostons aren't going to cause a 20-stitch trip to the hospital like my wife's pit/lab mix did.  

Even if it was just a function of proper training, there aren't enough people like you and me to offset the dangers created by the idiots out there.  
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Hello CC,

Haven't seen you in the thread before so wanted to respond to you.

Well, unfortunately because of Group A and Group B, you will always have a version of Group C.

Since we don't base laws around those who are responsible, how about we implement and enforce strict vicious dog laws and start holding Groups A and B more accountable for their actions?

I've also owned this breed for close to 25 years and haven't experienced issues.

Curious, did you get your dog as a pup? If so, when did you start seeing the dangerous behavior? Did you spend time with the breeder, see parents of your dog, talk to people who had bought a dog from said breeder, etc.?

 
beavers said:
Are you saying it's okay for the owner letting her dogs run wild?
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Really hope they get their heads out of their you know where beavers and become responsible, but sadly I would imagine that they believe they are being responsible and are innocent and their neighbors are the dirt bags. Please keep us updated on your progress. 

 
Dog issues are interesting because those of us who have owned them tend to be passionately, even unreasonably attached to some breeds over others based on personal experiences, not comprehensive study, and because norms from different regions and circumstances vary wildly, and we may encounter neighbors, in a mobile and transient society, from very different regions who have very different norms.

 
Bucky86 said:
Yeah, I dunno what she's referring to? The footage was clearly from a security camera.
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No idea, cause you can't see anyone in the video either.  I guess maybe people on the other side? But it happens so fast... No way they were filming before hand.  Or did they see her start getting attacked and then pulled out phones?

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
A horrifying way for a child to go, both from his perspective and from outside perspective.
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Kind of disgusts me that people could read even one story like that and think it's alright to have these animals out in the world. Hell not even just think it's alright, but defend their decisions to own one (or several). Not sure whether the owners or the dogs are the bigger animals. 

 
We can only hope that these killing machines act as population control for those who live among and around them.  Hopefully Darwin, with time, will have his way, and we'll be left in some generations with a society that prefers not to, as a leisure activity, domicile with hulking, child-murdering animals. 

 
Otis said:
Kind of disgusts me that people could read even one story like that and think it's alright to have these animals out in the world. Hell not even just think it's alright, but defend their decisions to own one (or several). Not sure whether the owners or the dogs are the bigger animals. 
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I am starting to come around to this way of thinking but I still wish people would spend more time and resources on things that have a much bigger impact on society.

Seriously, can we start with corporate welfare and guns and work our way down to the pit bulls?  Give me that and I will march in lock step with you on the pit bull thing.

 
Chaka said:
I am starting to come around to this way of thinking but I still wish people would spend more time and resources on things that have a much bigger impact on society.

Seriously, can we start with corporate welfare and guns and work our way down to the pit bulls?  Give me that and I will march in lock step with you on the pit bull thing.
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