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Yet another Pitt Bull attack (1 Viewer)
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
otb_lifer
Footballguy
see, now we're making sense
i mean, any dumb #### could guide a pit to be a mauling, menacing weapon of death/destruction, sure ... but, show me the person who can whip a cocker spaniel into a cold blooded killing machine, and i'll show you some real talent.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
When people advocate owning dangerous animals, it starts that way.This thread has officially jumped the shark.
No, when you can't even have an intelligent conversation on a topic and people are so dead set on their views, it goes that way.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I dont understand the point of this argument. I dont think any person in this thread that would like pits to not be in their neighborhood would have a problem with cane corsos, rotts, mastiffs, etc also not being in their neighborhood.
It also presumes that any breed is instinctually suitable for dog fighting. Which is of course just ridiculous.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I cant have intelligent conversation with anti vaxxers either. I am sorry i am so set in my ways.
https://www.aspca.org/animal-cruelty/dogfighting/closer-look-dogfighting
From the above link....
Although there are many breeds of dogs used for fighting worldwide—including the Fila Brasileiro, Dogo Argentino, the Tosa Inu and the Presa Canario—the dog of choice for fighting in the United States is the American Pit Bull Terrier. Occasionally other breeds and mixes are reportedly used in street fights or as “bait” dogs used by some to train dogfighting victims.
This does not mean that the pit bull is unsuitable as a family pet.
Oh, it’s absolutely suitable as a family pet. It just might, ya know, happen to kill your family.
GROOT
Footballguy
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
What is wrong with you? Do you just like being snarky and going back and forth?
Look below....many, many breeds have used for dog fighting....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dog_fighting_breeds
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
What is your point? I agree with you that lots of dogs have been used as fighting dogs.
I took issue with the last statement about family pets. Thats a dumb statement to quote from a group like the aspca. That is a group that doesnt want any animals dying. If they said pit bulls were unsuitable as family pets they would lose tons of donations from pit bull truthers like you and from people that are just no kill period.
Gawain
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
That is awful.
Yet some still defend these vicious beasts.
Yet some still defend these vicious beasts.
Warhogs
Footballguy
Have you ever owned one of these vicious beasts? My son adopted a pit bull from a rescue shelter 5 or 6 years ago. We believe she was actually used for breeding and when they were done having her spit out puppies they got rid of her. She is one of the most timid and nicest dogs I have ever been around and I have been around a lot of dogs. My belief is that aggression isn't a bred behavior but that it is a learned behavior.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Adopting pit bulls from a shelter is a risk behavior that I simply don't understand. You may very well be right that your son's dog is indeed a timid and nice dog, and that there is no appreciable risk that the dog will attack anyone. Your opinion in this regard is based upon 5-6 years of observation and experience. So your conclusion today regarding the absence of risk for your son owning that dog may very well be a logical one. But the decision to own the dog isn't being made by your son today. That decision was made 5-6 years ago, when your son adopted a pit bull from a shelter without any experience with the dog over an extended period of time. He didn't know the dog's background or history (based on the fact that you are speculating now about what her background might have been). To me, adopting an adult pit bull from a shelter with no knowledge of the dog's background is a risk that I can't ever imagine taking, particularly if I had kids, or my neighbors had kids. So the way I see it, your son got lucky, much like the guy playing Russian roulette who gets a click gets lucky. But for others, they could adopt a pit bull under the exact same circumstances and it could end up in tragedy.
Put another way, if your assertion is correct, that aggression isn't a bred behavior but a learned behavior, why on earth would you ever adopt an adult pit bull that has been abandoned at a shelter without any knowledge of what behavior the dog may have learned during its past life?
The Iguana
Footballguy
have only skimmed this thread a few times and have no strong opinion one way or another on pits - I have met a number of them over the years that have been nice enough but they still kind of freak me out a bit even though I love dogs.
that said, can we get chihuahuas added to the list too? I have facial scars from when my grandmother's attacked me when I was about 2 years old and I had to have like a 150 stitches or something. those little rat bastages are devil dogs, IMO. they still make me twitch a bit, and I've never met one them that seemed like anything other than satan spawn.
that said, can we get chihuahuas added to the list too? I have facial scars from when my grandmother's attacked me when I was about 2 years old and I had to have like a 150 stitches or something. those little rat bastages are devil dogs, IMO. they still make me twitch a bit, and I've never met one them that seemed like anything other than satan spawn.
Gawain
Footballguy
If that was a pit, you're not here today. Sucks it happened, but the damage levels are incomparable.
The Iguana
Footballguy
How dare you minimize my pain and suffering? You don't even know what kind of damage may or may not have been done. I could look like Mel Gibson in the man without a face for all you know!
Tom Skerritt
Footballguy
You can believe this all you want. And you will just be flat out wrong. Pit bulls have been bred for their aggressive traits for over 200 years. The very name “Pit” bull comes from the fact that they were placed in a pit to use that aggression on other animals.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Ron Swanson
Footballguy
Timid in a dog can be a warning sign. Fear aggression is the most dangerous aggression in many dogs.Warhogs said:
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Otis
Footballguy
I have a clue like ten posts up where a 9 year old girl is dead. How anyone can defend this stupidity is just totally beyond me.
bigbottom
Footballguy
You’ve posted a single emoji in response to my admittedly hyperbolic analogy, That aside, I invite you to explain why you disagree with the logic of my post. Specifically, if you accept the premise that aggression isn’t a bred behavior but is rather a learned behavior (the argument being made by the poster to which I was responding), then adopting an adult pit from a shelter that has been abandoned and about which you have no knowledge of its past life and the behaviors it has learned would present a greater risk that the dog would end up being aggressive (over, say, a puppy that has minimal “learned” behaviors, or an adult dog with which you are familiar so you possess an informed opinion regarding its past life and the behaviors it has learned).
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prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
I have not truly been following this thread. I am in the camp that believes pit bulls can be nice family dogs. I'm also in the camp that would never own one or let one free around my kids. My friends had one and it is one of the sweetest dogs I have ever met. I still would not let it be free around my kids.
Anyway thats not why I am here. For the last month or so I have been scouring shelters and rescues for a new puppy. My dog passed away in May and it was emotionally horrible. As I am searching for a new friend I notice that most of the dogs are pit bulls or some kind of pit bull mix. People need to stop breeding these so much. There is just a phenomenal amount of pit bulls in these shelters.
* After a long search I found my new friend. I believe he is a Catahoula leopard dog.
Anyway thats not why I am here. For the last month or so I have been scouring shelters and rescues for a new puppy. My dog passed away in May and it was emotionally horrible. As I am searching for a new friend I notice that most of the dogs are pit bulls or some kind of pit bull mix. People need to stop breeding these so much. There is just a phenomenal amount of pit bulls in these shelters.
* After a long search I found my new friend. I believe he is a Catahoula leopard dog.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Congrats on your new friend, and the bold is 90% of the problem. There isn't just a phenomenal amount of pits in shelters. The problem is in rescues... and neighborhoods.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Russian Roulette is a one in six chance. There's north of five million pits in the country and less than 50 will do something horrible every year. I have adopted an abused Cane Corso from a Pit rescue. It's been six years now. I've had better dogs, but she is wonderful, silly, a little neurotic (needs to be touching another animal or human at all times), and not an ounce of aggression. Loves children, protects small dogs, sleeps with a cat. Protected my house from a man on the run who had just shot a woman. She is the classic "nanny dog". Children can kick her, pinch her, hang from her hears, poke her in the eye, pull on her stubby tail... she soaks it all up with joy.
Sausage
Go back a page or two from that link if you want to read about her protecting us from "the murderers".
modogg
Footballguy
hmm, I was always under the impressions that Chows were notoriously known for fighting dogs too. I know the few I have run into have been very dog aggressive. Fine with people I believe, but just nasty with any dog
modogg
Footballguy
Yes, I am willing to go on an assumption here that 100% of the people in this thread would feel this is awful. Yet, did anyone actually read the article? it has to do about a wondering pack of dogs, and a lot less to do with whatever breed they were. a pack of dogs wondering has really nothing to do with the breed
modogg
Footballguy
i'll disagree here. Getting a dog like a pitbull mix from a shelter is probably safer than getting from a breeder or pet store. with all of the excessive attn. to the breed around the country, I know where I live the SPCA and local shelter have people trained in dog behavior and do pretty thorough assessments of the dogs before they adopt out. they can't hit everything, but at least they are in it for the right reason unlike a breeder or pet store who are simply using it as a commoditybigbottom said:
modogg
Footballguy
glad you found something you like. Agree the breeding is an issue, but there are multiple factors. people wanting maybe a "cute puppy" but once you need to walk it or take care of it they let it out. I honestly don't know how majority of dogs get to the shelters, but where I live it is like 85-90% some sort of boxer/pitbull/etc. mix.
Gawain
Footballguy
Did you read the article? They were owned by a neighbor who had repeatedly been told his fence was insufficient and got out to attack the poor girl. Three golden labs don't do this.
Drinking and overeating hurts themselves, not little girls riding their bike. Now if you are stating that irresponsible dog owners should be punished like DWIs, I'm all in agreement. The owner should be facing homicide charges, just like someone would who killed a person while driving under the influence.
Let's ban pit bulls and also ban people who don't take care of themselves from driving. There's always that's elevated chance they have a heart attack and kill someone else. Such a selfish thing to do to put other lives at risk.
https://www.abc12.com/content/news/Drivers-heart-attack-caused-crash-killed-him-14-year-old-Bailee-Mantei-500060582.html
bigbottom
Footballguy
I definitely see your point. But if you accept the premise of the poster to which I was responding that aggression in pit bulls is only a learned behavior and not a bred behavior, then it would always be safer to adopt a puppy that has not been subjected to a lifetime of treatment that creates aggression as a learned behavior. Now, I’m not sure I agree with his premise. But I was pointing out that if I were to accept that premise, then adopting an adult pit bull from a shelter that had been abandoned and about which I have no knowledge of the dog’s past life is riskier than adopting a dog that is either a puppy, or with whom I am familiar and can say there was no prior mistreatment or learned aggressive behavior. But yes, I agree that adopting an adult pit from a pet store that has been abandoned and about which I have no knowledge of the dog’s past life is even riskier.
bigbottom
Footballguy
She’s a beautiful dog and I’m so glad she is a great part of your family. But I think it’s just a matter of risk tolerance. I would never feel comfortable adopting a dog of that size who has suffered a history of abuse with kids in my home. Because at the time I adopt her, I have no idea whether she will be the wonderful, silly dog that yours ended up being or something else.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Aggression can be taught. it may also be reflexive/instinctive in situations where the dog has not yet been exposed to the proper stimuli. The problem is what is breed into the animal is unusual capability. When a new stimulus arises, which happens, does instinct/reflex cause the dog to exercise one of its dangerous abilities, abilities far beyond say those of a beagle to do harm?Warhogs said:
Me, I question the psychological health of pit owners. I believe they are trying to prove something to themselves or others buy owning this breed. they are trying to win an argument. The benefits of dog ownership can all be achieved with more responsible choices, so what is it they are trying to accomplish, what need satisfied by the choice?
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Bigbottom always has a clue what he is talking about. he is one of the most perspicacious and thoughtful posters here. Also, he is a man of abiding decency.
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modogg
Footballguy
as a person who owns a pitbull, I am more than happy to submit a thorough Psych evaluation for everyone to review
.going through this thread you can see multiple posts about how people acquired dogs. I went to the shelter and got a dog. Dog is doing great and is very caring of my 2 year old daughter. She is well trained and I don't let her babysit my kid. adopted the dog because we got along great with our first meeting. she was 6 months old and we began to train her immediately. She caught on better than any other dog I have trained. When I adopted this dog (about 10 years ago), I can state very clearly I was not trying to win any argument, nor trying to prove anything. I adopted a dog.
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