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Zach Sudfeld - TE Pats (1 Viewer)

Really wish Sudfeld could've remained a secret for 2 more days. Now I feel like I'm gonna have to reach on him. I was hoping for a 15th round pick, now prob gonna have to go 12 or higher in my 12 team PPR.

 
I took a 15th round flyer on Sudfeld as my TE2 (behind Cook) in a draft this morning.

If nothing else I don't think he should be undrafted, he is definitely roster-able at this point. Not sure how many people are onto him yet. Cameron is the TE talk of the town from what I've seen.

 
opensourcebeer said:
Run It Up said:
Kenny Powers said:
Hype a little out of control considering Gronk may only miss a few games
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Sudfeld could share the field with Gronk + Amendola + Vereen/WR2.Not drafting him on his 6-8 games he might be the starter.

Still curious what his dynasty startup value is.
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I drafted him at 14.08 in a 12 team ppr, best ball scoring, dynasty startup.
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Seems like a great price for best ball, did you grab Gronk as well by any chance?

 
Run It Up said:
opensourcebeer said:
Run It Up said:
Kenny Powers said:
Hype a little out of control considering Gronk may only miss a few games
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Sudfeld could share the field with Gronk + Amendola + Vereen/WR2.Not drafting him on his 6-8 games he might be the starter.

Still curious what his dynasty startup value is.
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I drafted him at 14.08 in a 12 team ppr, best ball scoring, dynasty startup.
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Seems like a great price for best ball, did you grab Gronk as well by any chance?
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Sadly no. Gronk went 3.07. I went with David Wilson at 3.05.

 
Rotoworld:

The Boston Globe reiterates that Zach Sudfeld "looks like a lock" to be the Patriots top tight end in Week 1.
Fantasy owners brushing off Sudfeld because he's an undrafted rookie need to change their tune. He's been running as the Pats' No. 1 tight end ever since camp opened and has been their best player at the position in both practices and games. If Sudfeld performs well while Rob Gronkowski (back surgery) is out, the Patriots could be emboldened to use their preferred two-tight end sets upon Gronk's return. In that scenario, the 6'7/253 Sudfeld would play the Aaron Hernandez role.

Source: Boston Globe
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This is what I was talking about with Sudfeld earlier, of all the NFL coaches BB is the least likely to do what we think he will do.

Everyone see's a rookie wr'er or even two playing quite a bit, but who is to say he doesn't like Sudfeld more or trust him more and just roll with Sud and Gronk once he is back? I certainly wouldn't bet my check on what I think BB is going to do and it is hard to even put too much into what he has done this pre-season. I am glad I grabbed Sudfeld in my 2 dynasty leagues, but other than any week Gronk is out, I would be unlikely to start Sudfeld until I see some consistency in how BB uses him.

 
Kenny Powers said:
Hype a little out of control considering Gronk may only miss a few games
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Hernandez did awfully well when both he and Gronk were playing. Not that I am saying Sudfeld will be that good, but if he plays that well, Belichick obviously has no qualms about featuring two TEs on a regular basis.

 
BlackMamba24 said:
parrot said:
BlackMamba24 said:
just took a flyer on him, how does he move for a TE? slow?
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From the link above;

"4.73-second 40-yard dash"
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Thanks, yeah I saw that but I was wondering how that transfers and how he looks in practice and game situations. That time seems a little slow, but 40 times can be overrated. I'll be watching for him tonight.
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You don't draft 6'7" 250 lbers for their breakaway speed. If he's got hands, he's open.

 
The Claymaker said:
Here is another very cool article with some great info on Sudfeld's blocking in college, which apparently was superb.

http://nesn.com/2013/08/zach-sudfeld-has-shined-catching-football-with-patriots-but-stats-say-blocking-could-become-his-best-trait/
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Gospel truth - If the fantasy community knew of his injury history, we'd all be hearing repeated stupid comments like "he'll help for maybe three games before he is hurt" or "I'm not drafting a guy who can't stay healthy". But we do not hear a single word about that right now.

Players are SO fickle. We used to hear about how Adrian Peterson could not stay healthy at Oklahoma, and now nobody says a word about his health history. same with Stafford.

 
buck naked said:
The Claymaker said:
Here is another very cool article with some great info on Sudfeld's blocking in college, which apparently was superb.

http://nesn.com/2013/08/zach-sudfeld-has-shined-catching-football-with-patriots-but-stats-say-blocking-could-become-his-best-trait/
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Gospel truth - If the fantasy community knew of his injury history, we'd all be hearing repeated stupid comments like "he'll help for maybe three games before he is hurt" or "I'm not drafting a guy who can't stay healthy". But we do not hear a single word about that right now.

Players are SO fickle. We used to hear about how Adrian Peterson could not stay healthy at Oklahoma, and now nobody says a word about his health history. same with Stafford.
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Its probably because very few people at all if any are drafting Sudfeld as their TE1.

I'm not worried about my TE3s injury history, I'm worried about his potential ceiling - which is pretty high.

I still hear injury concerns about Peterson and Stafford all the time, btw.

 
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This is shaping up to be quite a story. After we spent all offseason trying to figure out which WR would come in and be the fantasy stud, who was going to replace Welker, can Amendola stay healthy, will Gronk be back, hernadez did what !?! and all that, in typical hoodie fashion (no pun intended) here comes some guy no one knows a thing about and will likely be an every week starter in fantasy and represent a steal of the draft/waiver wire.

 
ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported on NFL Insiders that the Patriots are "putting out feelers" about available tight ends.
Jacob Tamme, Clay Harbor, and Tony Moeaki are just a few names that could be available. Whether the Patriots' interest in tight ends has anything to do with their expectations on Rob Gronkowski's (back surgery) recovery is impossible to say. It's also possible they're not pleased with Daniel Fells and Jake Ballard behind Zach Sudfeld. The Boston Herald reported Monday that Gronk remains "right on schedule" for a return in mid-September.
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Might be a hint at Gronk's health, may mean nothing.

buck naked said:
Gospel truth - If the fantasy community knew of his injury history, we'd all be hearing repeated stupid comments like "he'll help for maybe three games before he is hurt" or "I'm not drafting a guy who can't stay healthy". But we do not hear a single word about that right now.

Players are SO fickle. We used to hear about how Adrian Peterson could not stay healthy at Oklahoma, and now nobody says a word about his health history. same with Stafford.
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The fact is will never truly have enough data points to definitively decide whether a player deserves the "injury prone" label. There was an article way back on rotoworld I believe that explained this rather well.

 
Got him for $1 in my auction league last night...if he performs well tonight, I will not be so lucky in future drafts coming up. He is my TE2 behind Finley, but I like his upside much more than Finley's, so will be rolling him out week 1 with confidence.

 
I don't believe in TE handcuffs. If that was so then Ben Watson would have been a stud. He'll have a few catches here and there but I don't see him consistantly dominating #1 defenses from the start. Maybe in 2-3 seasons when he bulks up he can be a Kyle Rudolph or Martellus Bennett kind of TE for FF.

 
ShaHBucks said:
I don't believe in TE handcuffs. If that was so then Ben Watson would have been a stud. He'll have a few catches here and there but I don't see him consistantly dominating #1 defenses from the start. Maybe in 2-3 seasons when he bulks up he can be a Kyle Rudolph or Martellus Bennett kind of TE for FF.
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Who's a handcuff to what now?

 
Rotoworld:

Patriots TE Zach Sudfeld was benched in the third preseason game Thursday night after losing a fumble following a 20-yard catch.
In the interest of fairness, Sudfeld wasn't the lone Patriot benched. Shane Vereen and Brandon Bolden also got the pine-needle treatment after losing first-half fumbles of their own. Sudfeld only lasted one drive against the Lions. He'll probably play extensively in the third exhibition game. Through three preseason contests, Sudfeld has four receptions for 74 yards and a touchdown. While his potential is very intriguing, we'd be very hard pressed to rely on Sudfeld as a fantasy starter.
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Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Patriots TE Zach Sudfeld was benched in the third preseason game Thursday night after losing a fumble following a 20-yard catch.
In the interest of fairness, Sudfeld wasn't the lone Patriot benched. Shane Vereen and Brandon Bolden also got the pine-needle treatment after losing first-half fumbles of their own. Sudfeld only lasted one drive against the Lions. He'll probably play extensively in the third exhibition game. Through three preseason contests, Sudfeld has four receptions for 74 yards and a touchdown. While his potential is very intriguing, we'd be very hard pressed to rely on Sudfeld as a fantasy starter.
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I'm not too worried about his benching. Ridley gets benched during the regular season when he fumbles. This is simply how the Patriots operate. Belichick is sending a clear message, as he should. Also, who do they have that's better than Sudfeld? I'm confident that Zach will be the week 1 starter. I'm certainly not going to start him over Witten, but I'll certainly use him as trade bait.

 
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This is getting a bit outta hand. I watched Sudfeld @ Nevada and he wasnt like some crazy standout TE. He wasnt even 2nd team all conference in the Mountain West.

 
Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
Manster said:
This is getting a bit outta hand. I watched Sudfeld @ Nevada and he wasnt like some crazy standout TE. He wasnt even 2nd team all conference in the Mountain West.
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Watch much of Tom Brady at Michigan?
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In the 1999 season, Brady led Michigan to an overtime win in the Orange Bowl over Alabama, throwing for 369 yards and four touchdowns.
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Is that bad?

Also, Brady played for Michigan, not Nevada. He was All-Big Ten honorable mention both years he started, which while not awesome, still means he was a good college QB for a great program. Remember, that the year before he was starting Michigan won the National Championship, i.e. not the same Michigan that lost to App St. a few years ago.

You can try and compare Sudfeld to Brady, but that is a horrible comparison. Brady is the best all time 6th round (or best late) draft pick, i.e. not a comparable player to every low draft pick.

 
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Keith Lewis said:
I have a sneaky suspicion once the games count Ballard is the guy you want. Sometimes I'm wrong but I'm more often right.
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No doubt, been thinking that myself... of course after I drafted Sudfeld.

It's also possible that Edelman and/or Vereen get all the work anyway, even if Ballard (& Sudfeld) is in there.

 
stbugs said:
Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
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This is getting a bit outta hand. I watched Sudfeld @ Nevada and he wasnt like some crazy standout TE. He wasnt even 2nd team all conference in the Mountain West.
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Watch much of Tom Brady at Michigan?
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In the 1999 season, Brady led Michigan to an overtime win in the Orange Bowl over Alabama, throwing for 369 yards and four touchdowns.
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Is that bad?Also, Brady played for Michigan, not Nevada. He was All-Big Ten honorable mention both years he started, which while not awesome, still means he was a good college QB for a great program. Remember, that the year before he was starting Michigan won the National Championship, i.e. not the same Michigan that lost to App St. a few years ago.

You can try and compare Sudfeld to Brady, but that is a horrible comparison. Brady is the best all time 6th round (or best late) draft pick, i.e. not a comparable player to every low draft pick.
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The point is you never know and I could do the same analogy from almost every NFL team. Suds was well worth a look at months ago in dynasty leagues and is now worthy of being drafted in 12 team redrafts. It's all about opportunity.
 
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stbugs said:
Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
Manster said:
This is getting a bit outta hand. I watched Sudfeld @ Nevada and he wasnt like some crazy standout TE. He wasnt even 2nd team all conference in the Mountain West.
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Watch much of Tom Brady at Michigan?
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In the 1999 season, Brady led Michigan to an overtime win in the Orange Bowl over Alabama, throwing for 369 yards and four touchdowns.
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Is that bad?

Also, Brady played for Michigan, not Nevada. He was All-Big Ten honorable mention both years he started, which while not awesome, still means he was a good college QB for a great program. Remember, that the year before he was starting Michigan won the National Championship, i.e. not the same Michigan that lost to App St. a few years ago.

You can try and compare Sudfeld to Brady, but that is a horrible comparison. Brady is the best all time 6th round (or best late) draft pick, i.e. not a comparable player to every low draft pick.
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Since you took exception to using Brady as a comparison, how about Antonio Gates? He went undrafted and didn't have great college stats. Actually some of his stats were pretty impressive, but those were on the basketball court.

While all of us should be looking at what stats rookies put up in college, we also need to keep an open mind when doing evaluations of players.

Does Sudfeld have a good QB throwing him the ball? Most would say great QB.

Does Sudfeld play for a good coach that can game plan to his strengths? One of the best of his generation and some might say of all time.

Does he have a good offensive line so he won't have to spend much time blocking? One of the best in football.

Are there injury concerns for receiving options around him that might help his value? Gronk is a man among boys when he is on the field, but even when he comes back, it will take some time to get to 100%.

How well did the guy Sudfeld is replacing do in the offense? Hernandez was just a rock solid top 10 TE when healthy.

All that and Sudfeld was developing chemistry with Brady just as all the other rookies and Amendola were this year. All new to the team. It's not like he's going into a system that everyone was established and he's on the outside looking in. He's right in the middle of it.

I'm not saying he's going to be the next Gates, but there is plenty to like about Sudfeld and his current situation.

 
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