LawFitz 1,071 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 I'd feel better about the Hayward matchup if Coop were 100%. Will probably start him anyway with Julitoe out, but with a pinched nose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew74 948 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 My only options at this point would be Watkins and Mitchell. Ugh. I have no idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SameSongNDance 7,014 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Are we 100% sure Hayward shadows Cooper in this one? Part of me wants to bench him so badly because of that floor, oof. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarlakticacid 623 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 38 minutes ago, SameSongNDance said: Are we 100% sure Hayward shadows Cooper in this one? Part of me wants to bench him so badly because of that floor, oof. With 2 good WRs will SD just decide to take away one and double the other? Or will Hayward Stick to Cooper tween the 20s and Crabs in the RZ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarlakticacid 623 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 http://www.fanragsports.com/nfl/raiders-exploit-chargers-secondary/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SameSongNDance 7,014 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Sarlakticacid said: http://www.fanragsports.com/nfl/raiders-exploit-chargers-secondary/ This just makes it sound like everyone aside from Cooper is going to eat. My problem with "start your studs" is that I think the perceived pool of studs is too large. Over his past 4 games Cooper is 15/126/2, that is the line of a player you should 100% consider benching. The problem is my other options probably aren't good enough, especially in a league where I'm forced to start three WRs. Edit: Just look at someone like Thielen who has a 24/305/1 line in the same time frame yet most would think the idea of sitting Cooper for him as laughable. Edited December 17, 2016 by SameSongNDance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarlakticacid 623 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, SameSongNDance said: This just makes it sound like everyone aside from Cooper is going to eat. My problem with "start your studs" is that I think the perceived pool of studs is too large. Over his past 4 games Cooper is 15/126/2, that is the line of a player you should 100% consider benching. The problem is my other options probably aren't good enough, especially in a league where I'm forced to start three WRs. In that boat too. Quickly sinking as i benched Lockett 5 mins before kickoff yesterday Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VolBoy 21 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I have Fitz.,Manny Sanders and D. Inman and Tyreek Hill. I'm benching Cooper for Hill. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lsufan 18 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Im benching Cooper for T. Gabriel with Julio out. Ive been watching the games and Cooper isn't the focus lately. Raiders have been running the ball alot. Carr has a injured pinkie finger. I could be wrong lol. I need a homerun first week of the playoffs and Gabriel at home with no Julio sounds like the better option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cap'n grunge 7,632 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Tyrell Williams over Cooper? Had Cooper locked in but now i'm on the fence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
branch0095 52 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 51 minutes ago, cap'n grunge said: Tyrell Williams over Cooper? Had Cooper locked in but now i'm on the fence. Ugh, that's close for me. I'm starting both in one PPR league, but I'm not sure who I'd rank higher. If not for the recent emergence of Inman then I'd safely say Tyrell. As it stands I think both are boom-bust options, but Williams has more TD upside. I feel dirty saying this but I think I'd go with Tyrell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarlakticacid 623 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Cooper vs Allen Robinson. Standard for me i wonder how bad Crabtrees finger is. Bad enough that more targets go to Cooper? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kittenmittens 1,261 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Wow, how are people benching him Tyrell this week? Is there a dynasty by window open here? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Denver724 96 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 1 minute ago, kittenmittens said: Wow, how are people benching him Tyrell this week? Is there a dynasty by window open here? So you are saying that Cooper is the start for you without a doubt? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kittenmittens 1,261 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) I would start Cooper over everyone mentioned in this thread. I hope he has a bad game tho because I want to buy in dynasty and I'm smelling an opportunity here that might not come around again. Edited December 18, 2016 by kittenmittens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson King 0 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Cooper worries me this week. Strongly considering Sammy Watkins over him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chief 6 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 FWIW, I am starting M. Thomas over him. The last few weeks has been brutal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VolBoy 21 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 My question about Cooper last at this time was the "Rookie Wall". Yes there was the foot injury. This year at this time. His production sux. What gives? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Denver724 96 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I think I am going to start Diggs over Cooper. I just don't trust him and he is not even healthy. Just too hard to pull the trigger with other options available. ####ty play of late, injured? Just too much to overcome when its playoff time. I can't afford a three catch for 30 yard game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderlips 5,217 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 The Qb is there. The motive is there. The ability is there. Why is Crabtree getting (presumably) more love? Cooper is talented enough and in a good enough situation that there shouldn't be many guys on an average FF roster who you would sit him for. His ceiling is that of a huge mismatch in a FF matchup.(he could outscore two of your opponents combined). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ConnSKINS26 5,718 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Debating going with a decent Farrow floor (imo) over Cooper or Alshon, but just can't pull the trigger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cap'n grunge 7,632 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Uggh. A few minutes before kickoff and i'm wavering between Cooper and Tyrell Williams. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SameSongNDance 7,014 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I'm sticking with Cooper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cap'n grunge 7,632 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 1 minute ago, SameSongNDance said: I'm sticking with Cooper. I inserted Tyrell and then reverted back 5 minutes later. My opponent has Carr and i have Cooper. I have Palmer and he has Fitz. Some cancellation of points going on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Denver724 96 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Maybe one of the biggest disappointments this year. Up there with ARob in my opinion. . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 29,095 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 6 minutes ago, Denver724 said: Maybe one of the biggest disappointments this year. Up there with ARob in my opinion. . It's easy to say why ARob and Nuk have been disasters. They are on bad offenses with brutal QB play. Raiders seeing of the highest scoring offenses. You have to wonder how good Cooper actually is right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VolBoy 21 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I'm DONE with Cooper!!!!!!!!! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigTex 859 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) Of course I have Cooks and Luck on the bench while Carr, Cooper and Williams stunkup the place. Tex Edited December 19, 2016 by BigTex Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Denver724 96 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Ilov80s said: It's easy to say why ARob and Nuk have been disasters. They are on bad offenses with brutal QB play. Raiders seeing of the highest scoring offenses. You have to wonder how good Cooper actually is right now. Good point. I'm starting to think bust. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew74 948 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 What a disaster. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFanatic 3,222 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 1 hour ago, VolBoy said: I'm DONE with Cooper!!!!!!!!! Me too. My Superbowl is this week and next. Got crushed this week. I have a chance to still win with a second game next week but this chump isn't going to be in my lineup Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ILUVBEER99 1,369 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 He just doesn't seem like a guy who demands targets. Just a part of the gameplan guy, not someone to build around. Very disappointed in his season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarlakticacid 623 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 He commands top coverage and Carr/the offensive plan and other weapons are stronger than their opposition he is also hurt but didn't seem to worry him on the catch n run he had today. He did appear to hesitate on a few downfield blocks today Quote Link to post Share on other sites
branch0095 52 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Cooper's been a disappointment over the back half of this season, but I still have him as a top 6-8 dynasty WR. He's super young, as he's finishing up his second year in the league at the age of 22 1/2, and he has back-to-back 1k seasons to start his career. Injuries slowed him over the last month of his rookie season, but he still ended up with 72/1070/6. He's been banged up a bit this year too, but he sits at 74/1038/4 with two games to go. Has it been a bit of a letdown that his statistics didn't make a sizable 2nd year leap? Of course it is. I still think he's a great young WR with plenty of room to grow into being a perennial top 6-7 WR. I have my doubts about him ever being dominant enough to put up gaudy numbers like Julio/Brown/OBJ have over the past couple of seasons, but he's still a incredibly valuable WR that I'd gladly take on any of my rosters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarlakticacid 623 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Cooper and Carr will get more comfortable with each other every season. Hopefully next season we see Carr throwing Coopers way, when they need a play made, regardless of the coverage Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VolBoy 21 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 2 hours ago, TheFanatic said: Me too. My Superbowl is this week anRyannext. Got crushed this week. I have a chance to still win with a second game next week but this chump isn't going to be in my lineup I lost division champioship by 3 freakin points! Yes I have Carr but have been starting Matt Ryan. I'm going for Julio or T.Gabriel in off season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jello_Biafra 417 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Startable? Or is he one tackle away from sitting out the rest of the game? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hankmoody 3,739 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Jello_Biafra said: Startable? Or is he one tackle away from sitting out the rest of the game? What does that even mean? If anything Cooper has focus issues, but I've never seen a concern about toughness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
King of the Jungle 1,382 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Just now, Hankmoody said: What does that even mean? If anything Cooper has focus issues, but I've never seen a concern about toughness. He was limited in practice this week. Maybe this is an injury that has been impacting him for awhile. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,005 Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 Amari Cooper said he thinks he can be "a lot more" productive moving forward. Cooper has surpassed 1,000 yards in each of his first two seasons, but he struggled down the stretch both years. Just two of the nine 100-yard performances of his career have come after Week 8, and he averaged just 46 yards a game over the final eight of last season. If he can fix his late-season swoons, Cooper will be a sure-fire WR1 this year. Source: CSN Bay Area May 25 - 12:57 PM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ack88 422 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Starting to look at Cooper's prospects for 2017: Positives: Has shown growth in both catches and yardage during first two seasons. Plays with a very good QB who has room for further growth. Team looks to be very good. Talent is not an issue- by all accounts, Cooper has all the physical tools to become an elite WR. Still very young- only 23. Crabtree is a very solid compliment on the other side and the running game should be good again. Negatives: Has not shown elite red zone ability. Only 11 total TDs in first two seasons. Crabtree will have plenty of targets and looked to be the primary WR in the red zone. Has not finished the first two seasons very well. Most projections have him as a back end WR 1. Curious to get the board's thoughts as to his current valuation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 29,095 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 20 minutes ago, Ack88 said: Starting to look at Cooper's prospects for 2017: Positives: Has shown growth in both catches and yardage during first two seasons. Plays with a very good QB who has room for further growth. Team looks to be very good. Talent is not an issue- by all accounts, Cooper has all the physical tools to become an elite WR. Still very young- only 23. Crabtree is a very solid compliment on the other side and the running game should be good again. Negatives: Has not shown elite red zone ability. Only 11 total TDs in first two seasons. Crabtree will have plenty of targets and looked to be the primary WR in the red zone. Has not finished the first two seasons very well. Most projections have him as a back end WR 1. Curious to get the board's thoughts as to his current valuation. Something has to give with him. He either needs more targets so he can get his yardage up, improve his yards per reception or the Raiders need to start using him in the RZ. He only got 14 RZ targets last year which was 44th in the NFL and the same amount as guys like Nelson Agholor and Chris Conley. Now it's also the same amount as TY Hilton and one less than Antonio Brown. The difference is in a down year, Brown had 24 more receptions and Hilton averaged about 2 yards more per reception than Cooper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fightingillini 712 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 42 minutes ago, Ilov80s said: Something has to give with him. He either needs more targets so he can get his yardage up, improve his yards per reception or the Raiders need to start using him in the RZ. He only got 14 RZ targets last year which was 44th in the NFL and the same amount as guys like Nelson Agholor and Chris Conley. Now it's also the same amount as TY Hilton and one less than Antonio Brown. The difference is in a down year, Brown had 24 more receptions and Hilton averaged about 2 yards more per reception than Cooper. Pretty simple.....Crabtree is killing Cooper's potential. Good for the Raiders, bad for Cooper ascending into the WR elite. Much rather wait a couple of rounds later and grab Crabtree than spend a premium pick on Cooper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 29,095 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, fightingillini said: Pretty simple.....Crabtree is killing Cooper's potential. Good for the Raiders, bad for Cooper ascending into the WR elite. Much rather wait a couple of rounds later and grab Crabtree than spend a premium pick on Cooper. I might argue Cooper is hurting Crabtree's value since Crabtree has been the top receiver for Oakland the last 2 years. Edited July 19, 2017 by Ilov80s Quote Link to post Share on other sites
need2know 6,180 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Ilov80s said: I might argue Cooper is hurting Crabtree's value since Crabtree has been the top receiver for Oakland the last 2 years. and i dont see it changing this season barring injury. both are high end wr2s and wont be on any of my redraft teams unless they fall in the draft Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 29,095 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, need2know said: and i dont see it changing this season barring injury. both are high end wr2s and wont be on any of my redraft teams unless they fall in the draft Crabtree is a nice value at an adp of WR23, no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
need2know 6,180 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Ilov80s said: Crabtree is a nice value at an adp of WR23, no? yeah he is Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kittenmittens 1,261 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 It looks like they are in fact targeting him in the red zone more this year. The bad news is he just dropped 3 goal line passes. 2 or 3 of them should have been caught, the last one was totally uncontested. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarlakticacid 623 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 46 minutes ago, kittenmittens said: It looks like they are in fact targeting him in the red zone more this year. The bad news is he just dropped 3 goal line passes. 2 or 3 of them should have been caught, the last one was totally uncontested. Last one was tipped but very catchable Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kittenmittens 1,261 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sarlakticacid said: Last one was tipped but very catchable Thanks, I didn't catch the tip. I think all 3 were tough catches but he had both hands on all 3 if I saw correctly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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