Alex P Keaton
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Why did you like it better when women could be assaulted without anyone knowing or being able to put an end to it?I liked it better when we didn't know these things. At what point did this become important to people?
Why did you like it better when women could be assaulted without anyone knowing or being able to put an end to it?I liked it better when we didn't know these things. At what point did this become important to people?
https://twitter.com/mikefreemannfl/status/1376645563177971723?s=21mike freeman @mikefreemannfl
It will sound odd to say after so many accusations against Watson, but Jenny Vrentas’ reporting is a watershed moment. Jenny is one of the best of the best and the accuser she speaks to isn’t a Buzzbe client.
I think this case will force the NFL to take action against Watson.
I didn’t like it. I’m just saying I don’t want to know about this. I think we’re inundated with bad news because of the internet. Everything you read is 90% bad news. That can’t be healthy for people’s mental state.Why did you like it better when women could be assaulted without anyone knowing or being able to put an end to it?
Meh. That’s why I don’t watch the news on TV and rarely read much about it.I didn’t like it. I’m just saying I don’t want to know about this. I think we’re inundated with bad news because of the internet. Everything you read is 90% bad news. That can’t be healthy for people’s mental state.
Mike Freeman, USA Today Sports 'Race and Inequality Editor'. What? who worked previous stints for the NYT and my hometown (com)Post?
It isn't good for people's mental health, you are 100% spot on in my book. I watch NFL games and very little else on TV. I stopped watching news all together sometime during the pandemic. Not to get off topic but folks would do great to just keep those TVs off when not watching a live sporting event and even then I gotta turn down the announcers a good chunk of the time.I didn’t like it. I’m just saying I don’t want to know about this. I think we’re inundated with bad news because of the internet. Everything you read is 90% bad news. That can’t be healthy for people’s mental state.
Yep. He needs a full time "handler"I should be a full time Manager for athletes with lots of money and need mentoring on how to get away with things and not get caught. Be smart about it.
There's a reason all pron isn't just, "women who come over for money and do whatever you like".I should be a full time Manager for athletes with lots of money and need mentoring on how to get away with things and not get caught. Be smart about it.
I hear what you are saying. The one thing to consider though is the timeline. Mary's account happened in the fall of 2019, before any of the 19 lawsuits. Usually with a sexual addiction (or any addiction really) behavior escalates until the person realizes they have a real problem and want to stop or until they get caught. It's possible in 2019 he was just doing his thrusting. By 2020, he had graduated to moving his penis so it touched their hands. It is even possible that it moved on from there to forced oral sex, although without any other corroborating evidence, it will take a very credible plaintiff to convince a lot of people of that.Let me explain to some of you why I said in "many ways' her account is good for him.
First let's start with what should be have been understood but seems to have passed over a few of you that in "many ways" does not mean "in totality".
"Mary' sounded very credible. She at this point has not entered into a civil suit, does not seem to want anything as of yet.
If you believe Watson is 100% not guilty of the slightest misconduct, has always behaving like a model citizen during all of his massages this would not be good news.
If you are like me and believe it's likely Watson did some things he should not have been doing, believe with this smoke there is something, but at the same time don't believe EVERYTHING everyone women is claiming this might be applicable to you.
Per her account he kept his hands to himself, he forced nothing on her, he did not try and make his penis touch her, his main offense was getting naked.
Now I'm not legal expect but forcing someone to perform oral sure sounds like rape.
Touching someone with your penis sure sounds like sexual assault.
Demonstrating a pattern of dropping your towel during a massage would at most seem to make you guilty of indecent exposure.
So when you got 20 people suing for money, some making claims of forced oral sex(rape), most making claims of him making sure his penis touched their hand(sexual assault)but one lady not wanting money or suing anyone saying his main offense was dropping his towel and improperly exposing himself.
If Watson did exactly as this lady said in all of his appointments but did NOT do what the others say he did which again ranges from rape to sexual assault then his worse offense is indecent exposure. That's what I mean this being good news for him in some ways because someone credible with nothing to gain as of now is indicating with her she did not do the things the others are accusing him of doing. And if he did what she is saying in all of his appointments he'll get suspended, might have to settle, will see his pristine image take a hit, but it's not remotely close to the damage he'd face if faced with multiple counts of rape or sexual assault.
exactly. just because he didn't touch one girl with his wang, or even attempt to, does not mean he didn't try it on others. he can read the room. it sounds like Mary made it very clear to him that she wasn't going to participate in his pornhub fantasy. Other women may have not been as forceful so he would push it as far as he could. that may have, in some cases, gone as far as coercing them to do oral.I hear what you are saying. The one thing to consider though is the timeline. Mary's account happened in the fall of 2019, before any of the 19 lawsuits. Usually with a sexual addiction (or any addiction really) behavior escalates until the person realizes they have a real problem and want to stop or until they get caught. It's possible in 2019 he was just doing his thrusting. By 2020, he had graduated to moving his penis so it touched their hands. It is even possible that it moved on from there to forced oral sex, although without any other corroborating evidence, it will take a very credible plaintiff to convince a lot of people of that.
https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/read-deshaun-watson-lawsuits-buzbee-sex-assault-16063896.phpJust checking in to see if Buzbee has filed any paperwork yet with law enforcement.
Apparently he has a history of frivolous lawsuits.....
https://twitter.com/albertbreer/status/1376998464110923778?s=21Albert Breer @AlbertBreer
There is a sea change in here in how the @HoustonTexans have answered questions on Watson in the past. I believe that Houston will listen to offers now.
Nothing like waiting to trade him at the absolute nadir of his value. Yep, sounds like the Texans.
The dumbest part is not settling this quietly if he in fact had the chance, even if he didn't do any of the serious crimes he is accused of.Being mystified about guys doing dumb stuff to get off is dang hilarious.
Don’t take much. All they need is a used washcloth & a little DNA.They clearly have enough to drag him through the mud regardless of actual guilt.
Tony Buzbee, in an Instagram post, said that he "will go elsewhere to provide our evidence to investigative authorities" because the son of Deshaun Watson's attorney is "part of the Command Staff" of the Houston Police Department and "has a position that would compromise HPD."
This seems like a very clear message to Watson’s attorney: “please make a large settlement offer now.”So basically whatever information Buzbee gathered is strictly for a civil trial or settlement. If Watson ever faces criminal charges it won't be based on any information Buzbee provides because he's never going to provide any information.
https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/1377075714902622213
Tony Buzbee, in an Instagram post, said that he "will go elsewhere to provide our evidence to investigative authorities" because the son of Deshaun Watson's attorney is "part of the Command Staff" of the Houston Police Department and "has a position that would compromise HPD."
Is he married (I honestly don't know) but if he's not...why does he have to have a sex addiction just because he's having fun with an adult film star? If I was worth millions and wasn't married, and I had a chance to fly in Gal Gadot and play doorway basketball or hide the salami or whatever...do I need rehab?At the very least this guy's image is taking a wild ride this offseason. Now there's video of him playing doorway basketball with an adult film star in an apron at his house.
What's the over/under for how long until he checks into rehab for sex addiction?
Not that I'm disagreeing with your premise, but since when is Gal Gadot a porn star?Is he married (I honestly don't know) but if he's not...why does he have to have a sex addiction just because he's having fun with an adult film star? If I was worth millions and wasn't married, and I had a chance to fly in Gal Gadot and play doorway basketball or hide the salami or whatever...do I need rehab?
Oh agreed. I'm just saying that will be his excuse to recover his image (assuming he gets out of the legal stuff relatively cleanly).Is he married (I honestly don't know) but if he's not...why does he have to have a sex addiction just because he's having fun with an adult film star? If I was worth millions and wasn't married, and I had a chance to fly in Gal Gadot and play doorway basketball or hide the salami or whatever...do I need rehab?
Once she experiences me in the bedroomNot that I'm disagreeing with your premise, but since when is Gal Gadot a porn star?
The only way he'll be charged criminally is if the prosecutor believes it's a slam dunk to convict him. There may not be enough physical evidence to make it a certainty. That doesn't mean it's a "big f'n deal" or that he didn't do anything that makes him a sick ####.Again, if he merely proposed sexual encounters, big fn deal.
If he did anything beyond suggesting, charge him CRIMINALLY.
This civil stuff is a joke. If he was broke this wouldn't even be remotely on the table, and everyone knows it. Insane that it's even a choice.
unfortunately that is the world we live in today.....but either way, whether he was rich or broke, actually proving something criminal is going to be difficult and basically he said/she said....doubt there is really any physical evidence to speak of.....so the only play to really get any sort of "justice" is to try and get it financially....Again, if he merely proposed sexual encounters, big fn deal.
If he did anything beyond suggesting, charge him CRIMINALLY.
This civil stuff is a joke. If he was broke this wouldn't even be remotely on the table, and everyone knows it. Insane that it's even a choice.
i feel like the majority of ppl in this thread think he should be punished criminally, if he committed criminal acts.If anyone is wondering why 99% of the members here are dudes, this topic is a great example. lol
Yes, but that's not what I was referring to.i feel like the majority of ppl in this thread think he should be punished criminally, if he committed criminal acts.
The civil system has long been a way for people to get some form of justice and tort law is in place to discourage negligence and bad actors. Its an easier standard to win as well. I think there's room for both.i feel like the majority of ppl in this thread think he should be punished criminally, if he committed criminal acts.
What we call sexual assault in my country, rape (i believe) in yours, should ALWAYS be criminally tried, imo.The civil system has long been a way for people to get some form of justice and tort law is in place to discourage negligence and bad actors. Its an easier standard to win as well. I think there's room for both.
Well sure, of course - it’s not mutually exclusive though.What we call sexual assault in my country, rape (i believe) in yours, should ALWAYS be criminally tried, imo.
right. but this case seems to be exclusive to civil only. And i strongly disagree w thatWell sure, of course - it’s not mutually exclusive though.
That's great.What we call sexual assault in my country, rape (i believe) in yours, should ALWAYS be criminally tried, imo.
I guess just imagine yourself as the prosecuter.....do you think you would win a criminal case with what seems like will be close to zero physical evidence/video/etc.....?....maybe if some more texts or something start coming out....right. but this case seems to be exclusive to civil only. And i strongly disagree w that
It's probably going to take awhile but I'm holding out slim hope he settles and this is wrapped up before the draft so he can be traded but seems unlikely.seems like it might be a long time before all this is settled even if no criminal complaint is filed. Will be interesting to see how the NFL handles it if by august it's clear that a number of these complaints are going to civil trial route. will they suspend him or let him play while the court cases proceed.
if no criminal charges i'd have to imagine he just plays. though i suppose goodell can say, hey perv, your pervy behavior is bad. enjoy your 6 game ban to start the year. i dont think they would suspend him an entire year because civil cases are being worked through.
Is your strong disagreement with it being civil and not criminal because you want to see him punished if what they say is true or you think what they say is not true because this has not advanced to criminal charges?right. but this case seems to be exclusive to civil only. And i strongly disagree w that
criminals should be punished (or tried) as such.Is your strong disagreement with it being civil and not criminal because you want to see him punished if what they say is true or you think what they say is not true because this has not advanced to criminal charges?
Thats fantastic but its not the lawright. but this case seems to be exclusive to civil only. And i strongly disagree w that
Thats pretty telling in itselfhttps://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/31/18-massage-therapists-with-names-attached-voice-support-for-deshaun-watson/
how many women have given this guy a massage in the last 3 years? over 200?
If he was broke and had no power he never would have tried this ####.Again, if he merely proposed sexual encounters, big fn deal.
If he did anything beyond suggesting, charge him CRIMINALLY.
This civil stuff is a joke. If he was broke this wouldn't even be remotely on the table, and everyone knows it. Insane that it's even a choice.