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Johnny Utah #9
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What’s the deal with this guy? Why is he still consistently ranked weekly in the top 25?
Hasn’t had a good week in over a month. 1 TD on the year. WR corps is now fully a three headed monster with Samuel heavily involved and Robby is getting the least valuable targets/touches. This year he is basically like JuJu on a much less explosive offense.
This guy still seems like he is being ranked off his first 3 week start to the season. What am I missing here?
Hasn’t had a good week in over a month. 1 TD on the year. WR corps is now fully a three headed monster with Samuel heavily involved and Robby is getting the least valuable targets/touches. This year he is basically like JuJu on a much less explosive offense.
This guy still seems like he is being ranked off his first 3 week start to the season. What am I missing here?
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turkishkamel
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He's still seeing good target volume. The last 5 weeks 8, 8, 13, 6, 9. 9th in the NFL over that span.
Johnny Utah #9
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Right, I get that. It’s just that the targets are low value targets. Only 3 red zone targets on the year. Moore seems to established himself as the preferred deep threat. Samuel gets red zone touches and designed plays for him at the goal line. He’s getting targets but not a lot of yards. Hasn’t cracked 80 yards since week 5. I guess he’s still decent if you play full ppr. I play mainly half point and standard so there is much less appeal there. The way this guy is being used lately, he’s turned into a moderate floor, low ceiling option. Not much upside. Still think the “Expert” ranks haven’t caught up with the current reality of this guy.
The Frankman
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The Frankman
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az_prof
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I've had Robby since his rookie year and really like him but am I the only one who is surprised by how rich this contract is? This tells me that Carolina sees him as a really important piece of the offense and I see his dynasty value and redraft value tick up as a result of this show of faith by his team.
Johnny Utah #9
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This guy is worthless this year. Probably my worst call of the draft. He fell to me but still. The narrative that Darnold was going to further boost his stock given their past chemistry was completely wrong. People underestimated the amount of targets a healthy CmC takes at Robby’s expense. And Darnold seems to only have eyes for DJ so far this season. Could be borderline cuttable at this point.
Johnny Utah #9
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This dude is worthless this year. Drop city.
BobbyLayne
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more draft capitol In Aiyuk but these two are neck n neck for bust of the year
King of the Jungle
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Not invested but was trying to get him in most drafts. Seemed like the better value compared to DJ…way off so far. Still early but with Marshall likely ascending I wouldn’t be surprised if he never really takes off.
zamboni
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What we seem to be seeing is what many expected last year when Robby was first brought in: Moore would be the ascending alpha receiver, with Robby as the down-the-field, complementary threat. Bridgewater and Anderson seemed to have a nice connection, and that continued all year, even though Moore got his too.
With Bradford, he clearly seems to really trust and lock into Moore. I expect Anderson will have his big games, but Moore has obviously established himself as the go-to guy. And with McCaffrey out for who knows long, the arrow is pointing up for the passing game overall.
With Bradford, he clearly seems to really trust and lock into Moore. I expect Anderson will have his big games, but Moore has obviously established himself as the go-to guy. And with McCaffrey out for who knows long, the arrow is pointing up for the passing game overall.
nittanylion
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Very frustrating. I hold multiple shares, but was only compelled to start him in 1 League last night. Targeted him in many a Draft with a RB-heavy blueprint, as a value play committee member. Unfortunately for me, another WR in that bucket was Gallup. Thankfully most of the others are holding their own thus far (Mike Williams, Marvin Jones, JuJu, Boyd). Long way to go, hope we see an uptick in usage as the Season plays out.
BobbyLayne
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I don’t own him in any leagues but had plans to take him in the middle rounds. I know Marshall is ascending but it’s not like he’s been a target hog, they supported three relevant WRs last year.
Just didn’t see this coming. Guy was a great deep threat (w/ Darnold) on NYJ, goes to Carolina and becomes a solid possession WR (DJM being the ADot king) - totally different kind of role - and then gets reunited with Sam.
Eveyone thought he was gonna be good again. Weird.
Pigskin Fanatic
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on the same boat with you's who drafted him in the mid rounds. ugh. in case you missed the game last night and still have any optimism left, I don't think Darnold looked his way at all until those two targets in the fourth Q. Pecking order for his reads were generally Moore, Marshall, the Tight End, checkdown RB, that other receiver I didn't know was on this team, and then Bob.
The Frankman
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Nobody predicted a massive aDoT flip (Moore and Anderson switched places with Robby's actually increasing), but the other thing to note is the passing tree is no longer as narrow as it once was. Sure Marshall Jr. is getting looks, but so is Brandon Zylstra, Alex Erickson, Tommy Tremble, Dan Arnold, Chuba Hubbard (when McCaffrey isn't in)... and so on. With Moore's targets increasing any look that isn't Moore/McCaffrey is nowhere near favored to go to Robby Anderson now. Extremely high aDoT + lesser targets always equals bad for a non #1 WR in the offense.
Until teams actually scheme to take away Moore, it's going to be an issue. The Dallas game looks to be a huge test because Trevon Diggs is ascending to be the next NFL shutdown corner, and he and Moore should have a great duel. With no McCaffrey, that should be a "get-right" game for Anderson.
Until teams actually scheme to take away Moore, it's going to be an issue. The Dallas game looks to be a huge test because Trevon Diggs is ascending to be the next NFL shutdown corner, and he and Moore should have a great duel. With no McCaffrey, that should be a "get-right" game for Anderson.
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Judge Smails
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Good news is I only played him week 1. So far this was my biggest miss in the draft. He’s just a non-factor. I’m going to hold for now but he’s on the bench until I see usage
The Frankman
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Oh really? You THINK???
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cloppbeast
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I'm confused some by Anderson's usage so far. He played well last year with a lot of opportunities inspiring Carolina to give him a decent contract. Now he's targeted sparingly. I'm inclined to take Rhule at his word to get him more involved but perhaps that's wishful thinking.
ShamrockPride
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It's a little more effort likely for Brady, especially early on. DJ is a star, he's gonna do his thing and succeed regardless of scheme/coaching/etc. And he already knows exactly how to use and what Marshall is capable of from their time at LSU.
I'm sure Robby's usage will improve as Brady finds a way to efficiently fit him in his scheme as the season progresses. That said... I've said in another thread, if Robby is going to be used as that deep threat, all-or-nothing type (a role I believe he is probably best fitted for), I'm not sure you'll ever be able to confidently use him for fantasy purposes.
Is Terrence Marshall better than Anderson? He looked great in preseason and in game 3.
ShamrockPride
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I think he's certainly more versatile, and can be used all around the field. His contributions have been small thus far, but incredibly consistent through 3 games. 3/6, 3/3, 4/5. Twice as many catches as Anderson.
The biggest thing for me is the history with Brady + the early usage is what leads me to believe Robby will likely be phased out to the #3 WR.
The Frankman
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Robby going by numbers proved he could be an all-around receiver last year. His aDot was considerably lower, his catch % was fine; he just had to deal with the inconsistency of Teddy Bridgewater (who suddenly looks like a star in Denver, go fig). To me, the reason I wanted Robby wasn't so much that he had a connection with Darnold, it's the work he did in 2020 ADDED to his Darnold connection. DJ is pretty much the same guy he's always been; it's just that he's being used exactly like the YAC machine he is and getting looks at every opportunity from Darnold. You don't usually see such a radical aDoT reversal between two receivers like this unless a team radically underutilized one of them/IS under-utilizing one now.
Taking McCaffrey out of the equation for a few weeks and Moore seeing tougher corners should help Robby, unless Sam gets more diverse with the targets again.
Taking McCaffrey out of the equation for a few weeks and Moore seeing tougher corners should help Robby, unless Sam gets more diverse with the targets again.
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Well I launched after 3 weeks on my bench looking like a turd.
He was drafted as my wr3 and based in my other receivers he slotted down to 6.
Cooks, Williams ,Claypool all passed him to go with Kupp and McLaurin.
So off he goes. I won't be concerned if he has the odd boom game bit there won't be any consistency based on how they are using him now. Let him clog someone else's bench.
He was drafted as my wr3 and based in my other receivers he slotted down to 6.
Cooks, Williams ,Claypool all passed him to go with Kupp and McLaurin.
So off he goes. I won't be concerned if he has the odd boom game bit there won't be any consistency based on how they are using him now. Let him clog someone else's bench.
cloppbeast
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We could get a good answer by watching some film, but unfortunately the NFL still doesn't offer the all-22. So we're sort of in the dark.
Playing the odds, I find it hard to believe. Using NFL salaries as an objective measure of a player's ability, spotrac has Robby as the 18th highest paid wide receiver. Now I'm not saying he's the 18th best in reality, but the odds of a 2nd round wr achieving this feat is well below 50%. Not to mention Robby is in his prime while Marshall is a 21 year old rookie. I would consider the idea Terrace is better a form rookie fever. Occasionally correct but more often not.
Now there is the Brady connection thing. But, wasn't he the OC last year drawing up plays for Anderson?
The Frankman
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Darnold also missed him on a long TD. His aDoT was much more reasonable and 11 targets to boot, he's back in the WR3 circle of trust IMHO.
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The Frankman
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Ministry of Pain
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The downside Frank is that targeting Anderson 11 times didn't help much vs Dallas. They were trailing at one point in the 2nd half 33-14 and I wish we could trust Anderson but in the previous 3 games Carolina won, Anderson didn't factor in a lot especially with targets. He might have had more targets Sunday than the previous 3 games combined.
I applaud the coach for following thru but in terms of what that dedication did to turn the tide of that game on Sunday, not much and to me that doesn't make him essential in the offense when Carolina wins football games. Just my feelings
The Frankman
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I'm not sure what you're trying to state here. Targeting Anderson didn't somehow factor into losing (are you saying he saw more targets because they were behind?), the overrated Carolina D couldn't stop Dallas. Moore saw his normal target allotment (for some reason Dallas did not shadow Moore with Diggs) so it's not like Robby took Moore's targets. All the utilization numbers trend well for Robby going forward.
EDIT: I don't have his aDoT numbers yet, but visually his aDoT was much closer to the LOS.
EDIT: I don't have his aDoT numbers yet, but visually his aDoT was much closer to the LOS.
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The Frankman
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TampaMike19
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Darnold is or was flat out God awful. You see that completion percentage? It makes hurts look like Marino
Cowboysfan8
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The Frankman
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compromise: It's both. Darnold was terrible, overthrowing receivers and getting spooked by pressure. Anderson, Moore, and Hubbard did him no favors by dropping multiple balls each (Robby 3, DJ and Chuba at least 2, Erickson and Marshall I think had a drop too).
That being said, this was probably the first game all year (stretch to say a second) Robby blew his chances. The only other good news is you saw his aDoT consistently lower now and his target share in the offense pretty solid. Also if Marshall misses time with his concussion that'll narrow the passing tree.
That being said, this was probably the first game all year (stretch to say a second) Robby blew his chances. The only other good news is you saw his aDoT consistently lower now and his target share in the offense pretty solid. Also if Marshall misses time with his concussion that'll narrow the passing tree.
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