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What news sources do you prefer for better, unbiased journalism?
I am not sure there are really any left anymore. Maybe just local news at this point, but even those get gobbled up by big companies now. I am a long time NPR listener and I am just so disappointed in so many of their stories and lead ins. Still like their human interest stuff and still listen, but their print stuff that gets disseminated via twitter has become insta ignore. 

Sho linked a hill story upthread and it made me think...I cant recall reading a story of theirs that really irritated me. Doesnt mean they dont exist, or perhaps I just forgot, but usually when I think about this stuff specific stories stand out and really irk me. I looked them up and they rate quite well in the media bias site too. 

 
So there should be easy examples of where these stories are incorrect...please show and then I will remove the link.
Ill say it again...Im not going to click the links to such sites.  Im mot going to keep doing research on them when many have been shown to be as I say.  Ive linked to issues with them today and in the past.   Its not a credible site...and its laughable to use it while complaining about other media...especially given it appears to be their opinions of other media.

 
Politico’s review of Joe Biden’s town hall: “if ABC’s event with President Donald Trump was an icy grilling, CNN’s drive-in conversation with Joe Biden Thursday was more like an affable reunion of old acquaintances.”

 
Politico’s review of Joe Biden’s town hall: “if ABC’s event with President Donald Trump was an icy grilling, CNN’s drive-in conversation with Joe Biden Thursday was more like an affable reunion of old acquaintances.”
Would you expect them to go the same way?  One, being the actual President who's responsible for leading this country the last four years, who continually lies, attacks the press, attacks Democrats, dodges blame, and lacks decency and professionalism.  The other who's not the actual President and not formally responsible for anything the last four years, acts with decency and professionalism, doesn't attack the press, and seems to legitimately care about people.

 
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Politico’s review of Joe Biden’s town hall: “if ABC’s event with President Donald Trump was an icy grilling, CNN’s drive-in conversation with Joe Biden Thursday was more like an affable reunion of old acquaintances.”
I watched both town halls. CNN was definitely more friendly to Biden. But that didn't make me cry "Unfair!" It made me wonder why Trump didn't do his town hall on Fox. That decision seemed like a tactical mistake IMO.

 
Blaming the media in general is the laziest intellectual exercise going. As for Trump, he's out there enough so there is zero reason to rely on the media to form a judgement. Turn off your Fox, your Facebook, your MSNBC, and the more ridiculous ones than those, and form an opinion on the facts and what the politicians themselves say and do.

Everyone's got an opinion. Life in America was better when fewer people thought their's was important enough to broadcast.  

 
Would you expect them to go the same way?  One, being the actual President who's responsible for leading this country the last four years, who continually lies, attacks the press, attacks Democrats, dodges blame, and lacks decency and professionalism.  The other who's not the actual President and not formally responsible for anything the last four years, acts with decency and professionalism, doesn't attack the press, and seems to legitimately care about people.
I personally dont care how they treat Trump. I however, do not like how they rarely question Biden with any toughness whatsoever. One being the president and one not is a lame excuse. They are both politicians running for the highest office in the land. 

 
MAINSTREAM US REPORTERS SILENT ABOUT BEING SPIED ON BY APPARENT CIA CONTRACTOR THAT TARGETED ASSANGE

“In December 2019, the New York Times covered the CIA operation against Assange in a single article by Raphael Minder. Framing the case in terms of “conflicting interpretations,” Minder claimed “it remains unclear whether it was the Americans who were behind bugging the embassy.”

Omitted in Minder’s article were all the obvious signs of UC Global’s collaboration with US intelligence, from Morales’ comment that “the agency of the stars and stripes will see us” to witness testimony that explicitly stated the company had been contracted by the CIA.

“The New York Times was basically saying there was no evidence that US intelligence was involved,” Maurizi commented to The Grayzone. “What do they want? A text message from the CIA saying, ‘we did it?'” ...

Credico told The Grayzone he attempted to convince his contacts in mainstream media to cover the UC Global-CIA spying scandal. But in every instance, he was met with a cold shoulder.

“I went to everybody,” he recalled. “I went to MSNBC, to the Wall Street Journal, CNN, to journalists I knew, and I couldn’t get anyone interested. I mean, all these reporters hate Trump, and here you had Pompeo and Sheldon Adelson, the guy who finances Trump, breaking the law. You would think this would be a big deal to these lean forward progressives. And they haven’t said ####. It’s appalling that they haven’t come forward and said something about this.”

 
Blaming the media in general is the laziest intellectual exercise going. As for Trump, he's out there enough so there is zero reason to rely on the media to form a judgement. Turn off your Fox, your Facebook, your MSNBC, and the more ridiculous ones than those, and form an opinion on the facts and what the politicians themselves say and do.

Everyone's got an opinion. Life in America was better when fewer people thought their's was important enough to broadcast.  
I would say defending the media solely because you are liberal is just as lazy. 

There are very specific examples given in this thread of obviously biased examples and they are insta met with, that isnt really that bad, or thats a bad source, or thats just a bad headline, or they are just quoting somebody, or whatever other lame excuse. 

 
The fact that facebook has become source material is disgusting. Literally any publication that has ever done this should be shamed and considered untrustworthy. 

 
MSNBC caught again using Obama/Biden era pictures of kids in cages to blame Mr Orange man.

MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow used a pair of Obama-era photos of immigrant kids — to accuse the Trump administration of “deliberately” hurting families, according to a report.

The liberal host opened “The Rachel Maddow Show” on Tuesday with a scathing attack that included images of kids lying on the floor while covered in aluminum foil-like blankets and other children held in cages, Fox News reported.

“In terms of permanent damage done to humans, in terms of the severity of the damage deliberately done to humans, the Trump administration, no matter what else they do, they will never ever get out from the shadow of the fact that they really did, as a policy and a deliberate practice, they really did take little kids away from their moms and dads,” Maddow said.

“They outfitted the kids with Mylar blankets and a lump of padding that was supposed to qualify as a mattress, and they told them to sleep on the floor,” she added as a photo of an Arizona facility from 2014 was shown, the network reported.

Another image Maddow used from that year showed children photographed through a chain-link fence for a Los Angeles Times article headlined, “Obama administration acts to ease immigration legal crunch at border,” according to Fox News.

This is happening right now, and the only debate that matters is how we force our government to get these kids back to their families as fast as humanly possible,” former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau wrote in tweets he posted of the AP pictures.

Favreau later deleted the post, but not before it caught President Trump’s attention.

“Democrats mistakenly tweet 2014 pictures from Obama’s term showing children from the Border in steel cages,” the president said on Twitter. “They thought it was recent pictures in order to make us look bad, but backfires.”
https://nypost.com/2020/09/18/rachel-maddow-uses-obama-era-images-of-immigrant-kids-to-blast-trump/

 
The US is using the Guardian to justify jailing Assange for life. Why is the paper so silent?

“ In other words, Assange was doing exactly what journalists claim to do every day in a democracy: monitor power for the public good. Which is why ultimately the Obama administration abandoned the idea of issuing an indictment against Assange. There was simply no way to charge him without also putting journalists at the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Guardian on trial too. And doing that would have made explicit that the press is not free but works on licence from those in power.

Media indifference

For that reason alone, one might have imagined that the entire media – from rightwing to liberal-left outlets – would be up in arms about Assange’s current predicament. After all, the practice of journalism as we have known it for at least 100 years is at stake.

But in fact, as Assange feared nine years ago, the media have chosen not to adopt a “united face” – or at least, not a united face with Wikileaks. They have remained all but silent. They have ignored – apart from occasionally to ridicule – Assange’s terrifying ordeal, even though he has been locked up for many months in Belmarsh high-security prison awaiting efforts to extradite him as a spy. Assange’s very visible and prolonged physical and mental abuse – both in Belmarsh and, before that, in the Ecuadorian embassy, where he was given political asylum – have already served part of their purpose: to deter young journalists from contemplating following in his footsteps.

Even more astounding is the fact that the media have taken no more than a cursory interest in the events of the extradition hearing itself. What reporting there has been has given no sense of the gravity of the proceedings or the threat they pose to the public’s right to know what crimes are being committed in their name. Instead, serious, detailed coverage has been restricted to a handful of independent outlets and bloggers.

Most troubling of all, the media have not reported the fact that during the hearing lawyers for the US have abandoned the implausible premise of their main argument that Assange’s work did not constitute journalism. Now they appear to accept that Assange did indeed do journalism, and that other journalists could suffer his fate. What was once implicit has become explicit, as Assange warned: any journalist who exposes serious state crimes now risks the threat of being locked away for the rest of their lives under the draconian Espionage Act.

This glaring indifference to the case and its outcome is extremely revealing about what we usually refer to as the “mainstream” media. In truth, there is nothing mainstream or popular about this kind of media. It is in reality a media elite, a corporate media, owned by and answerable to billionaire owners – or in the case of the BBC, ultimately to the state – whose interests it really serves.

The corporate media’s indifference to Assange’s trial hints at the fact that it is actually doing very little of the sort of journalism that threatens corporate and state interests and that challenges real power. It won’t suffer Assange’s fate because, as we shall see, it doesn’t attempt to do the kind of journalism Assange and his Wikileaks organisation specialise in.

The indifference suggests rather starkly that the primary role of the corporate media – aside from its roles in selling us advertising and keeping us pacified through entertainment and consumerism – is to serve as an arena in which rival centres of power within the establishment fight for their narrow interests, settling scores with each other, reinforcing narratives that benefit them, and spreading disinformation against their competitors. On this battlefield, the public are mostly spectators, with our interests only marginally affected by the outcome. “

 
NPR is officially trash journalism.
I wouldn't call it "trash", but it is decidedly unbiased in way too many cases.  I used to enjoy it as a nice alternative to the streams of BS on most news sources, but it has clearly been hijacked with an agenda over the last few years.  I get Trump is an easy target, but the spin on a publicly funded station is way too obvious.  When I hear what sounds like liberal editorializations in three straight stories, I stop listening.

 
Ummm because she couldn’t actually answer the question.  Guy clearly asked without ambiguity or deflection...and she couldn’t give a direct answer.  What else would you call that?
What ambiguitywas there? She read direct quotes from the president himself. Why isn’t that good enough?

 
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What ambiguitywas there? She read direct quotes from the president himself. Why isn’t that good enough?
You mean quotes where he claims he has always done so?  Where he said sure he was willing to denounce them (but never did)?

The question was set on a tee for here to just say yes, he does.  Instead, we get the usual blame the media for his bs.

 
You mean quotes where he claims he has always done so?  Where he said sure he was willing to denounce them (but never did)?

The question was set on a tee for here to just say yes, he does.  Instead, we get the usual blame the media for his bs.
You either didn’t listen to what she said, or refuse to believe it. I don’t know which it is but she clearly read a quote where he denounced all of those groups. I’m not surprised that the left refuses to understand that and worse, acts like it didn’t happen. 

 
You either didn’t listen to what she said, or refuse to believe it. I don’t know which it is but she clearly read a quote where he denounced all of those groups. I’m not surprised that the left refuses to understand that and worse, acts like it didn’t happen. 
I listened...its the same gobbled up crap that Trump speaks to keep from alienating that part of his base.

 
I listened...its the same gobbled up crap that Trump speaks to keep from alienating that part of his base.
This is gobbled up crap? How exactly would “that part of his base” be happy with this statement?

“Racism is evil,” Trump said at the White House. “And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”

 
Many believe that the full throated attack that Trump leads on specific media outlets was of his making and is somehow anti-American, because there are fundamental protections for a free press in our country. 

In many ways, Trump is actually a reaction to the rapid decline of what used to be journalism into trash and schlock, with 24 hours of air to fill, everything under the sun being labeled 'breaking news' and foaming at the mouth talking heads passing themselves off as journalists. 

Here is a great example from 2012, long before everyone was fascinated with Trump, and an example of standing up to the nonsense and calling them out directly in a bold way -->  2012 Primary Debate

 
This is gobbled up crap? How exactly would “that part of his base” be happy with this statement?

“Racism is evil,” Trump said at the White House. “And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”
Doesn't matter.  The charges have stuck (because we all know he's a massive bigot) and the news cycle is moving on.

 
Ill say it again...Im not going to click the links to such sites.  Im mot going to keep doing research on them when many have been shown to be as I say.  Ive linked to issues with them today and in the past.   Its not a credible site...and its laughable to use it while complaining about other media...especially given it appears to be their opinions of other media.
Thank god

 
The New York Times @nytimes

The first lady, Melania Trump, delivered a profanity-laced rant in 2018 about Christmas decorations at the White House. She also mocked the plight of migrant children separated from their parents during a conversation secretly taped by a former aide. // 

First of all, it is incredibly warped for a "friend" to record private conversations with very little news value and share them with the media.  Really sociopathic stuff.  This is a friend venting to another friend about their daily life.  To me it humanizes Melania more than anything else.     

Secondly, the NY Times is misrepresenting what Melania was saying here.  She is not making fun of the children- she goes into detail about how she was actually trying to reunite a kid with their mother.  She is expressing frustration at the duality of the media, in its pinning of family separation on Trump alone and complete aversion to reporting on the fact that this happened under the Obama administration as well. 

Third, while the irony of the 'War on Christmas' stuff isn't lost on me, it really is total BS that so much performative decorum is expected of First Ladies.  People act like they're the Nation's Mom or something.  There's just a weird expectation of people in general that their rulers be like little Ken/Barbie dolls living on a hill.  Sorry if you had to find out this way but they don't give a #### about you.  We don't have political leaders in this country, we have rulers.  They are your rulers, not your personal buddy.  But if the President's wife just wants privacy or to live a normal life- an unelected, nonexistent position with no official duties at all- they should have the agency to make that decision for themselves. 

Anyways this is a grossly political misrepresentation of a story by the NYT, they should at least update the headline.  Melania was not mocking migrant children in this recording.  

 
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Many believe that the full throated attack that Trump leads on specific media outlets was of his making and is somehow anti-American, because there are fundamental protections for a free press in our country. 

In many ways, Trump is actually a reaction to the rapid decline of what used to be journalism into trash and schlock, with 24 hours of air to fill, everything under the sun being labeled 'breaking news' and foaming at the mouth talking heads passing themselves off as journalists. 

Here is a great example from 2012, long before everyone was fascinated with Trump, and an example of standing up to the nonsense and calling them out directly in a bold way -->  2012 Primary Debate
Newt Gingrach? You're going to use Newt Gingrach as some kind of victim? I understand the point you're trying to make and agree that journalism has devolved into too much sensationalism but please don''t use Newt Freakin' Gingrich as some kind of victim. He is a major part of why politics in general is the way it is now. Should he have been asked that question? In a civilized world, no, but I have no doubt that he would use the same against an opponent if given the opportunity.

 
Should he have been asked that question? In a civilized world, no
This is the main point.    Whether you approve of Gingrich or not does not make the behavior (in this case, CNN behavior) any less damaging.   There are plenty of other examples out there.    This one was chosen intentionally as it was:

a) Years before the Trump vs The Press battles were viewed as the issue

b) An example of someone who chose to fight back, which was much more rare in 2012 than it is in 2020

 
Glenn Greenwald resigns from The Intercept after they refused to publish his article critical of Biden

From his Substack page ...

Today I sent my intention to resign from The Intercept, the news outlet I co-founded in 2013 with Jeremy Scahill and Laura Poitras, as well as from its parent company First Look Media.

The final, precipitating cause is that The Intercept’s editors, in violation of my contractual right of editorial freedom, censored an article I wrote this week, refusing to publish it unless I remove all sections critical of Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, the candidate vehemently supported by all New-York-based Intercept editors involved in this effort at suppression.

The censored article, based on recently revealed emails and witness testimony, raised critical questions about Biden’s conduct. Not content to simply prevent publication of this article at the media outlet I co-founded, these Intercept editors also demanded that I refrain from exercising a separate contractual right to publish this article with any other publication.
There's more but I won't paste the whole thing.

 
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BREAKING: Glenn Greenwald RESIGNS from "The Intercept" the News Outlet that he himself had co-founded. why? because his co-editors wanted to CENSOR his article on Joe Biden CORRUPTION!

This is where we are...

 
I don't normally listen to/watch main stream political shows, but figured I would since it's close to the election.

So basically it's just ... "If (our side) wins (the other side) is going to attack us and burn the country to the ground"

Has it been this way the whole campaign? No wonder people are at each other's throats.

 
I don't normally listen to/watch main stream political shows, but figured I would since it's close to the election.

So basically it's just ... "If (our side) wins (the other side) is going to attack us and burn the country to the ground"

Has it been this way the whole campaign? No wonder people are at each other's throats.
"Peacefully burn the country to the ground"

 
This is an interesting thread. I won't try to summarize it.
Might want to cross post in the Voter Fraud thread and/or the General Election thread.

I've watched quite a bit of Fox News this week, and it really is quite scary that so many of their claims of "irregularities" and "abnormalities" can be traced to dubious (and already debunked) rumors which were started by shady right wing media outlets. I saw one guy repeat the story about "100,000 votes magically appearing for Biden" even though the story had been debunked for hours. It's like Fox has turned into my aunt's Facebook feed. And there's zero accountability for it. When pressed, they just say "Well, I'm just reporting what I heard..." Imagine if they ever applied the same standard to the liberals they're frequently criticizing.

 
Fox is rattled because they got caught lying about CNN: twitter.com/Deggans/status/1325236484627161091

Maybe they should focus on reporting the news instead of trying to start slapfights with their competitors?
Maybe you did not read the article but they addressed the "scold" commentary.

 
I don't normally listen to/watch main stream political shows, but figured I would since it's close to the election.

So basically it's just ... "If (our side) wins (the other side) is going to attack us and burn the country to the ground"

Has it been this way the whole campaign? No wonder people are at each other's throats.
Yup. And the masses are happy as a pig in ####. They love this stuff. They love having an enemy, a finger to point to when their side fails.

 

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