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Watch this shorter clipAt what mark in that video does Carroll say that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AL3Y2NYBhw
Watch this shorter clipAt what mark in that video does Carroll say that?
I think in watching that (the whole interview, not a mid-sentence truncation) it occurs to me that this is the same problem that Paula Jones and Broaderick and maybe others had, only flip. - Jones and Broaderick were basically Arkansas women who sounded hickish and really basically lower-middle class. I think there were certain ears to whom that sounded let's say cheap or dumb at the time to I dunno let's say the ears of the elite in the media and in political circles (Apologies for fumbling with that but I think you get my point). I think here we have a woman who is basically an intellectual - wrote for SNL, wrote for Elle, attended Uptown Manhattan parties with Donald Trump types - and her rationalizations are going to sound weird to many ears in middle and suburban or rural America. However, I find her more than believable. I have space in my head for believing both Paula Jones and Jean Carroll.Should be "...rape is sexy."
But it was still really freaking weird.
You must have missed where donald dismissed this by saying she isn't his type. CASE CLOSED.Sounds very believable to me. That's the exact method that Trump described to Billy Bush.
"Most people think of rape as being sexy." She's not saying "rape is sexy." She's making a social commentary. She's a Manhattan intellectual trying to make an esoteric, ivory tower point in the middle of a serious conversation, it certainly doesn't affect her credibility IMO.
Don’t you find her mindset on rape weird or odd , no? It certainly seems Anderson Cooper is taken aback by it."Most people think of rape as being sexy." She's not saying "rape is sexy." She's making a social commentary. She's a Manhattan intellectual trying to make an esoteric, ivory tower point in the middle of a serious conversation, it certainly doesn't affect her credibility IMO.
You're missing whole sentences there, amigo.“Rape as being sexy”
She's saying that people in American society have a weird mindset. She isn't describing her own. Check out late night cable TV some time to see how rape scenes are characterized, our culture is full of it.Don’t you find her mindset on rape weird or odd , no? It certainly seems Anderson Cooper is taken aback by it.
I don't find it odd that she believes that the majority of people think that rape is sexual.Don’t you find her mindset on rape weird or odd , no? It certainly seems Anderson Cooper is taken aback by it."Most people think of rape as being sexy." She's not saying "rape is sexy." She's making a social commentary. She's a Manhattan intellectual trying to make an esoteric, ivory tower point in the middle of a serious conversation, it certainly doesn't affect her credibility IMO.
So what you're say is a Rupert Murdoch, Fox News media arm, is trying to smear the message and a woman that claims to have been raped? I don't know. Sounds pretty out there."Most people think of rape as being sexy." She's not saying "rape is sexy." She's making a social commentary. She's a Manhattan intellectual trying to make an esoteric, ivory tower point in the middle of a serious conversation, it certainly doesn't affect her credibility IMO.
I assume you didn’t watch Game of Thrones. Or any of the other hundreds of tv shows and movies where rape is depicted as sexy.Don’t you find her mindset on rape weird or odd , no? It certainly seems Anderson Cooper is taken aback by it.
That isnt what she said.I don't find it odd that she believes that the majority of people think that rape is sexual.
Thanks Herb, always thought of you as a moral and considered person on here.Oh come on. You're an intelligent dude, Ren. I like reading most of your posts, despite your dogged insistence on denial of Russian involvement in our elections, among other things. You and I agree on quite a lot outside of the foibles of the current news cycle.
But the bolded is absurd, IMO. There are a LOT of Anti-Trumpers here (myself included) that are very much NOT deferential to any part of the Democratic party, specifically the "corporate wing" of it. Like a domestic violence victim, we've been driven into the arms of the Democratic party by the abusive ####### that is the presently- constituted GOP.
I left the Presidential portion of my 2016 ballot blank because I hated Trump as a candidate but strongly disliked Hillary as well. Trump has proven to be such an absolute disaster, however, that I barely care who the Dem nominee will be (although hopefully not Biden). I know they'll be an improvement, so they have my vote, despite the fact that prior to Trump, the functionality and corruption of the two parties were barely distinguishable from each other and completely deserving of the scorn any of us felt toward them.
They believe it.I really don't understand how 30% of the population doesn't believe any sexual assault allegations against a guy who has repeatedly bragged about being a sexual predator.
I’m sorry but this actually reads like a paean to Trump. I’m also struck how people turn off their values for him. We’re discussing how Trump treats women. I’d imagine you’re rather revulsed by such behavior, and actually I’m sure you are. But as I understand it I’m supposed to turn that value system that I *share with you *off because (assumably) ‘the system is corrupt’? No, sorry you change things by taking a stand. That doesn’t mean you have to put a Biden sticker on your car but it’s a simple thing to decry corruption in governance when you see it.That Trump is some nightmare we can all wake up from, if only we could get someone that talks nice and does the West Wing posturing again. But those days are over. Trump is a direct result of the policies of past administrations. The conditions that led to his rise were decades in the making.
Seems consistent."The president has denied it. I have no reason to .— you know, no. He's denied it and that's all I needed to hear."
Sure, but you have to admit it’s weird. That’s my point - I’m not using it to discredit her, I’m just saying it’s really weird. To me at least."Most people think of rape as being sexy." She's not saying "rape is sexy." She's making a social commentary. She's a Manhattan intellectual trying to make an esoteric, ivory tower point in the middle of a serious conversation, it certainly doesn't affect her credibility IMO.
I wish it was to me.Sure, but you have to admit it’s weird. That’s my point - I’m not using it to discredit her, I’m just saying it’s really weird. To me at least.
I agree it comes across as weird. HT was right in that Cooper cuts away pretty quickly. There are other ‘weird’ aspects like the whole backstory of what Trump was doing in the Bergdorff’s ladies section, and Caroll sort of taunting him.Sure, but you have to admit it’s weird. That’s my point - I’m not using it to discredit her, I’m just saying it’s really weird. To me at least.
You are in the wrong thread. Swetnick was a Kavanaugh accuser, not Trump.Julie Swetnick says
What would possibly cause you to post this?Julie Swetnick says
To get reactions. Don't give them.What would possibly cause you to post this?
Because Judy Munro-Leighton is a less familiar reference?What would possibly cause you to post this?
Well, I'm an anarchist- it's not something they really give you an option to vote for. But I like Mike Gravel a lot. I actually registered as a Democrat (Independent whole life prior) just to vote for him in the primaries. But KY's Democratic party doesn't let you participate in the primary if you changed designation after December 2018. CoolI agree with you on a number of issues, but you come across as pessimistic about everything. Serious questions for you: What do you want in a POTUS? Are there any people currently running for office that you would be proud to vote for?
They aren't his type either.
Look, all rich guys with power do it -- it's part of being an alpha male. Besides, Trump has since found God and learned from his past. He is a good guy now.I don’t believe any Trump supporter in this forum genuinely believes that every single one of these women is lying about the sexual assault/rape allegations against Trump.
They just overlook it.
Also, rich and powerful guys get unjustly accused of sex crimes all the time because they're rich and powerful. I long for a nation where rich and powerful guys can get a fair shake.Look, all rich guys with power do it -- it's part of being an alpha male. Besides, Trump has since found God and learned from his past. He is a good guy now.
As long as Trump supporters feel they are benefiting from him being President, like their 401k, then they will continue to ignore everything he does. It's going to take a lot for them to change their minds, just look at the farmers who continue to support him.Look, all rich guys with power do it -- it's part of being an alpha male. Besides, Trump has since found God and learned from his past. He is a good guy now.
Have another drink Jean Carroll, sheesh. Why would they ever air that, oh it's CNN I forgot.Come on! I just read about this and the video is 100 times more cringeworthy than I ever dreamed. Anderson Cooper couldn’t get to break fast enough. Surprised CNN actually aired this to be honest.
I kind of find the criticism of this comment strange. I cant figure out why it matters at all. The only way you find that comment offensive is if you believe he raped her. If you believe that, then such a comment seems like the last thing that you should be caring about. It basically suggests that had he given a different answer you would find what he did less awful.I just can’t get past that answer “She’s not my type.” Every woman I know that hears that cringes- including my step-mother in law, who has been a Trump supporter. She thinks he’s a pig though.
He's making light of the situation with that remark. Either that or he is implying that he only rapes women that are his type. Either way it is a callous thing to say, which is par for the course with the guy.I kind of find the criticism of this comment strange. I cant figure out why it matters at all. The only way you find that comment offensive is if you believe he raped her. If you believe that, then such a comment seems like the last thing that you should be caring about. It basically suggests that had he given a different answer you would find what he did less awful.
The answer is offensive for several reasons: first because it implies that rape and sex are the same. Second because it suggests that had he found her attractive then he would have raped her and that’s supposed to be OK. Third because it objectifies women.I kind of find the criticism of this comment strange. I cant figure out why it matters at all. The only way you find that comment offensive is if you believe he raped her. If you believe that, then such a comment seems like the last thing that you should be caring about. It basically suggests that had he given a different answer you would find what he did less awful.
CNN has to give the viewers their hourly dose of Trump outrage, but this is what happens when you don’t vet your stories and will just air anything.Have another drink Jean Carroll, sheesh. Why would they ever air that, oh it's CNN I forgot.
It registers utter contempt for the alleged victim. You have to have a complete lack of empathy to say something like this.I kind of find the criticism of this comment strange. I cant figure out why it matters at all. The only way you find that comment offensive is if you believe he raped her. If you believe that, then such a comment seems like the last thing that you should be caring about. It basically suggests that had he given a different answer you would find what he did less awful.
It’s totally callous about a brutal act and also an obvious cheap lie.I kind of find the criticism of this comment strange. I cant figure out why it matters at all. The only way you find that comment offensive is if you believe he raped her. If you believe that, then such a comment seems like the last thing that you should be caring about. It basically suggests that had he given a different answer you would find what he did less awful.
Let me try to illustrate why it matters with these two sample exchanges:I kind of find the criticism of this comment strange. I cant figure out why it matters at all.I just can’t get past that answer “She’s not my type.” Every woman I know that hears that cringes- including my step-mother in law, who has been a Trump supporter. She thinks he’s a pig though.
This isn't something I want to spend too much time on. I just found your comments weird because like I said it implies that had he said something more polite you would not be as mad about the situation. You flat out said you can't get past what he said, and you have made at least one other post about it as well. That is really strange to me. Literally the first thing that popped in my head was...oh so if he was a real nice guy when asked about it you would be cool with it? I know that isn't true, it is just how it read to me. Take it however you want, I am moving along and I am definitely not in anyway trying to say you are only upset because of what he said.The answer is offensive for several reasons: first because it implies that rape and sex are the same. Second because it suggests that had he found her attractive then he would have raped her and that’s supposed to be OK. Third because it objectifies women.
What kind of vetting? There’s corroboration by 2 persons. Trump’s claim she wasn’t his type was clearly a lie, she was attractive (ex ‘Ms Cheerleader USA’ and game show hostess), she’s blonde like his 2 ex wives, and the incident happened some time ago. She has appeared in several interviews. She’s a professional, multi-published writer with a history of meeting and knowing celebrities so her interaction with Trump seems perfectly natural. The story of Trump being in Bergdorf’s on 5th seems believable.Widbil83 said:CNN has to give the viewers their hourly dose of Trump outrage, but this is what happens when you don’t vet your stories and will just air anything.
Footage?What kind of vetting? There’s corroboration by 2 persons. Trump’s claim she wasn’t his type was clearly a lie, she was attractive (ex ‘Ms Cheerleader USA’ and game show hostess), she’s blonde like his 2 ex wives, and the incident happened some time ago. She has appeared in several interviews. She’s a professional, multi-published writer with a history of meeting and knowing celebrities so her interaction with Trump seems perfectly natural. The story of Trump being in Bergdorf’s on 5th seems believable.
What’s missing here in terms of vetting?
If you read her account, it infers there was a romantic or sexual interest prior to the attackGodsbrother said:He's making light of the situation with that remark. Either that or he is implying that he only rapes women that are his type. Either way it is a callous thing to say, which is par for the course with the guy.
Rape is not about sex. Rape is not about attraction. Rape is about power over the victim.If you read her account, it infers there was a romantic or sexual interest prior to the attack
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_rape
So, when he says that she is not his type, he is refuting that there could even be an initial sexual or romantic encounter leading up to the rape.
https://quillette.com/2016/01/02/to-rape-is-to-want-sex-not-power/Rape is not about sex. Rape is not about attraction. Rape is about power over the victim.
I always find it mind boggling that there have been at least 16 women that accused Trump of sexual misconduct and his supporters give a collective
Yep. And reasonable people would consequently draw conclusions about the moral character of those supporters, about their humanity. But in the interest of civility, we’re unable to do so. That’s what I find mind boggling. I mean, he was caught on tape bragging about using his celebrity to sexually assault women. I guess without video it’s all meaningless. Even video would unlikely be enough. Then we would get the rationalizations, the excuses. He is such a patently abhorrent individual but it’s all become a blur, it all gets reduced to the absurd “difference of opinion” nonsense.Rape is not about sex. Rape is not about attraction. Rape is about power over the victim.
I always find it mind boggling that there have been at least 16 women that accused Trump of sexual misconduct and his supporters give a collective