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hopefully with fewer murdersAm I crazy to think the Eagles are trying to v2.0 Brady to Gronk/Hernandez with Wentz to Ertz//Goedert? First thing I thought of logic wise.
hopefully with fewer murdersAm I crazy to think the Eagles are trying to v2.0 Brady to Gronk/Hernandez with Wentz to Ertz//Goedert? First thing I thought of logic wise.
If you have Gronk in a dynasty, you should already be trading him.So now I'm conflicted. Do I draft this guy and then trade Gronk at the end of the year if he's killing it or stay away from Goedert?
That’s a blanket statement. Certainly depends on the value you get back. The guy remains a competitive advantage, so a competitive team should still be selective of who they ship him to, and for what. Obviously if you aren’t competitive, yes, he’s a terrific guy to sell.If you have Gronk in a dynasty, you should already be trading him.
Or trying to get him at a discounted rate from a panicked owner...he may not be playing much longer but he is still the undisputed #1 TE right now...he could put a team over the top in 2018 without having to give up anywhere close to equal value...If you have Gronk in a dynasty, you should already be trading him.
Yes, obviously don’t give him away, but the better dynasty owners don’t let assets retire on their team.That’s a blanket statement. Certainly depends on the value you get back. The guy remains a competitive advantage, so a competitive team should still be selective of who they ship him to, and for what. Obviously if you aren’t competitive, yes, he’s a terrific guy to sell.
It's more of a keeper league keep 4 players. It's just a basic keeper league where picks can be traded and normal PPR scoring. Waivers go by record and reset weekly.petekrum said:If you have Gronk in a dynasty, you should already be trading him.
Well I wasn't really competitive last year mostly do to player injuries. I got Wentz/Rodgers and Jimmy G at QB Gronk at TE Melvin Gordon at RB with McGuire, Perine. WR Jordy, Robbie Anderson, Kupp and a few others I can't remember. I'm not great but if I could trade him and maybe someone is desperate I think it's fair to get a keeper pick say 3rd or 4th round depending on other assets given back is right to ask for no?petekrum said:Yes, obviously don’t give him away, but the better dynasty owners don’t let assets retire on their team.
This is a really bad takepetekrum said:Yes, obviously don’t give him away, but the better dynasty owners don’t let assets retire on their team.
No, it’s not. If you can get younger value for an older near retirement asset in a dynasty, you do it.This is a really bad take
This belongs in that Dallas thread where they keep trying to reassure themselves that they didn't get sniped by the Eagles.
You seem to have a colossal hard on for not only this topic but the Dallas Cowboys in general. Everything in football doesn’t have to do with the Dallas Cowboys dude. You’re weird.This belongs in that Dallas thread where they keep trying to reassure themselves that they didn't get sniped by the Eagles.
You seem to have a colossal hard on for not only this topic but the Dallas Cowboys in general. Everything in football doesn’t have to do with the Dallas Cowboys dude. You’re weird.
Like Larry Fitzgerald for example?No, it’s not. If you can get younger value for an older near retirement asset in a dynasty, you do it.
It gets weirder!Last two posts prove my point, Eagles hosed the Cowboys. Super defensive and uptight fans. I root for neither, btw. Poor Cowboys.
i root for the Eagles andLast two posts prove my point, Eagles hosed the Cowboys. Super defensive and uptight fans. I root for neither, btw. Poor Cowboys.
Please share who you think they would’ve taken in his place.I've thought a little more about this & it simply doesn't make much sense for the Eagles.
While Goedert is a very good prospect, I believe it could potentially be a fairly big blunder for them depending on who they would've taken in his place.
It certainly isn't a death sentence to not make an optimal pick in the 2nd, but with the NFC getting increasingly tougher, everything matters.
2 elite TEs in a matchup driven NFL..it doesn’t surprise me that you and your GM Jerry don’t make much sense of it. GL with RicoI've thought a little more about this & it simply doesn't make much sense for the Eagles.
While Goedert is a very good prospect, I believe it could potentially be a fairly big blunder for them depending on who they would've taken in his place.
It certainly isn't a death sentence to not make an optimal pick in the 2nd, but with the NFC getting increasingly tougher, everything matters.
I haven't spent any time figuring out who the Eagles should've taken, but off the top of my head, maybe Connor Williams or Derrius Guice. This was a strong class & with several other NFC teams on their heels, a prospect who likely would've made a bigger impact would make much more sense, IMO. Also, the two TE thing is vastly overblown. In general, I'd rather have the opposing team feature their TEs as opposed to their WRs. TEs typically aren't as dynamic.2 elite TEs in a matchup driven NFL..it doesn’t surprise me that you and your GM Jerry don’t make much sense of it. GL with Rico
he "doesn't want to get into it"Please share who you think they would’ve taken in his place.
Ya I don't think anyone thinks it was just to screw Dallas. I think he was obviously on their board pretty high. I've seen everything from people calling him the steal of the draft, to a huge reach. Time will tell, but I like what kind of matchup problems he could present. If Ertz goes down, its a major hole to fill and time we can't afford to not have a good tight end in this offense. I like how Howie is continuing to bolster the offense. Sure we could have taken a defensive player there, but our D is in good shape and its an offensive league.As I said in about 20 other threads, the Eagles run a ton of 2 TE sets and Ertz misses games frequently. This is a much more important position for them than for most teams, even if it doesn’t translate to huge fantasy numbers. “They only did this to screw with Dallas” is a narrative in your own head and nowhere else.
I never thought of it that way, but it WAS a narrative some Philly fans, themselves, were preaching.As I said in about 20 other threads, the Eagles run a ton of 2 TE sets and Ertz misses games frequently. This is a much more important position for them than for most teams, even if it doesn’t translate to huge fantasy numbers. “They only did this to screw with Dallas” is a narrative in your own head and nowhere else.
I've explained why I believe it wasn't optimal & I also mentioned two players who likely would've made more of an impact (Williams & Guice).he "doesn't want to get into it"
BTW, I hear a fair amount of negative comments regarding Rico, but that's kind of a dangerous proposition for Philly fans given his immense upside.2 elite TEs in a matchup driven NFL..it doesn’t surprise me that you and your GM Jerry don’t make much sense of it. GL with Rico
Polarizing? NOt really...the only people pimping him are some of the more delusional Cowboy fansRico is certainly one of the more polarizing players in the NFL right now, both in FF & the real world.
It’s not really about the pimping.Polarizing? NOt really...the only people pimping him are some of the more delusional Cowboy fans
Uncle Rico would be more polarizing.Polarizing? NOt really...the only people pimping him are some of the more delusional Cowboy fans
This type of analysis is why I don't pay attention to non-Eagles fans. Connor Williams and Derrius Guice?I haven't spent any time figuring out who the Eagles should've taken, but off the top of my head, maybe Connor Williams or Derrius Guice. This was a strong class & with several other NFC teams on their heels, a prospect who likely would've made a bigger impact would make much more sense, IMO. Also, the two TE thing is vastly overblown. In general, I'd rather have the opposing team feature their TEs as opposed to their WRs. TEs typically aren't as dynamic.
Gronk & Hernandez were a difficult pair to defend, but Ertz/Goedert is a different level of talent in the wrong direction compared to Gronk/Hernandez.
Again, it's not the prospect they took, but the positional dynamics involved. A backup TE in the 2nd is something you might do if the starter is older or likely to leave. If it's neither of those, then it's something you only do if you have virtually everything else covered (& that's not the case with Philly).
I thought the pick was odd & maybe the Eagles really did believe Dallas was taking Goedert, which would be even more of a mistake. Same reason why in FF you don't worry about other teams, you just try to make yours as strong as possible.
I made it clear I didn't do any research on who I would've taken as an optimal pick. Williams & Guice were of the top off my head (as I mentioned), but I can tell you either one would've likely had a bigger impact than Goedert, not only in the short term, but in the long run, as well.This type of analysis is why I don't pay attention to non-Eagles fans. Connor Williams and Derrius Guice?
It's easy to see, that TE was a HUGE need for Philly, probably their biggest. Burton played on 26.53% of the offensive snaps (300 snaps) and 67.54% (2nd on team) special teams snaps (308 snaps) and Celek played on 41.11% of the offensive snaps (465 snaps) and 33.33% on special teams (152 snaps). I can't imagine why they would have draft Goedert. Really no need for him. They could have given the 1200+ snaps on offense and special teams they lost at the position to Ertz. They could have drafted a Guard who would have seen maybe 200 or 300 snaps this year, maybe if he could be out Seumalo for the backup spot. Or a RB who would have been splitting time with Ajayi, Clement and Sproles. I mean Blount got 354 snaps last year. Or they could have drafted a TE to replace Celek's 617 snaps or Burton's 608 snaps. I can't imagine why they would have gone TE. Really not a need for them.
Of course the pick wasn’t to spite Dallas. However, I’m certain they made the trade to (49) in order to secure Goedert because it moved them ahead of the Cowboys(50) AND Patriots(51) which seems to be often forgotten in the narrative. Say what you want but Goedert was in play for the Cowboys in light of the Witten situation and certainly for the Pats because of Gronks age, retirement talk and how much they love to take advantage of 2 TEs much like the Eagles. IMO it’s no coincidence that the Pats traded out of (51) after the Eagles took Goedert. As was stated so well in the posts above, the need at TE was strong. It was another incredibly shrewd move by the NFL Executive of the Year.I never thought of it that way, but it WAS a narrative some Philly fans, themselves, were preaching.
I kinda doubt it was done to block Dallas. I can't see a professional team worrying more about their rival than their own team. More likely, it was simply a BPA pick, but my reasoning still stands as far as it not being optimal.
No way Goedert was in play for Dallas. They have Rico Gathers, a mythological stud TE who has more trips to the IR than NFL receptions. If I'm Jerry Jones, I agree. No need for Goedert.Of course the pick wasn’t to spite Dallas. However, I’m certain they made the trade to (49) in order to secure Goedert because it moved them ahead of the Cowboys(50) AND Patriots(51) which seems to be often forgotten in the narrative. Say what you want but Goedert was in play for the Cowboys in light of the Witten situation and certainly for the Pats because of Gronks age, retirement talk and how much they love to take advantage of 2 TEs much like the Eagles. IMO it’s no coincidence that the Pats traded out of (51) after the Eagles took Goedert. As was stated so well in the posts above, the need at TE was strong. It was another incredibly shrewd move by the NFL Executive of the Year.
The Eagles just lost 2 TEs who each saw significant playing time leaving them with only Ertz and Richard Rodgers on the roster and you don't see how TE was a need? It was one of, if not the biggest, need of the draft. Sorry if you don't agree, its a fact. And trading a 5th to get ahead of 2 other TE needy teams was a good move to get the guy they wanted.JetMaxx,
Taking Goedert there was far from shrewd, IMO.
Ertz won't be a FA until 2022. If the idea is to have two top TEs, Goedert will also hit FA in 2022. You going to pay both TEs top money if Goedert pans out?
I don't get either the short-term strategy or the long term dynamics of taking a TE in the 2nd in Philly's situation. Not to mention the implications of taking a long term backup that high in today's NFL with the salary cap. You might do that for a QB, but not a TE.
I do agree it was a need, but for the reasons I've mentioned, taking Goedert in the 2nd doesn't make much sense to me. There are other ways to acquire backup TEs (such as later in the draft). You guys could've used that pick much more wisely, IMO.The Eagles just lost 2 TEs who each saw significant playing time leaving them with only Ertz and Richard Rodgers on the roster and you don't see how TE was a need? It was one of, if not the biggest, need of the draft. Sorry if you don't agree, its a fact. And trading a 5th to get ahead of 2 other TE needy teams was a good move to get the guy they wanted.
I think Goedert will see a good deal of action his rookie year. I don't think he'll have much fantasy relevance, but a significant contributor to their offense.
I think you are way overthinking things. One of the keys to the Eagles offense is that Wentz spreads the ball around. Look at the TD receptions last year:I do agree it was a need, but for the reasons I've mentioned, taking Goedert in the 2nd doesn't make much sense to me. There are other ways to acquire backup TEs (such as later in the draft). You guys could've used that pick much more wisely, IMO.
I'll be interested to see how much Goedert contributes. Not only because of the real-world implications, but for FF purposes, as well.