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Kurdish citizens throwing potatoes and tomatoes at US vehicles as they leave. Amazing how far we've fallen.
I forget - are potatoes and tomatoes better or worse than shoes?Kurdish citizens throwing potatoes and tomatoes at US vehicles as they leave. Amazing how far we've fallen.
Better than nylon, worse than leather.I forget - are potatoes and tomatoes better or worse than shoes?
Trump ordered that border to be closed.The man is a borderline illiterate simpleton.
Unpossible, we secured the oil, remember?Russia and Turkey just agreed to joint control of the Kurdish area of Syria.
No one has seen the agreement yet, but dollars to donuts it gives Russia at least partial control of the Syrian oil fields the Kurds held. This is a stunning victory for Russia.
Sometimes I still see that "tan suit was Obama's biggest scandal!" joke online. The Iraq War was a disaster on an unimaginable scale, but Obama's extrajudicial killing of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was a frightening abuse of power too.shader said:Very true. Most people don't really seem to care about the plight of many people in the world until it's politically beneficial to care, then it's suddenly a major emergency. Republicans that were ok with Bush starting wars suddently were outraged at Obama's drone attacks that killed citizens. Democrats that didn't bat an eye at the Obama drone attacks, are outraged at Trump's actions that affect the Kurds.
I remember the debates and people were indeed fairly consistent in their dissent from President Obama's extrajudicial handling of drone strikes on U.S. citizens. The fervor, however, was nowhere near the unbridled disgust and passion brought about by a Trump tweet to this audience.whoknew said:This isn't true at all. I remember having a lot of discussions on this board about that issue.
We only care about foreigners when it is politically expedient to do so.When Trayvon Martin was killed, Obama mourned him as if he 'could have been his own son.' Well I thought Abdulrahman looked like he could have been Obama's son too. The family never got an apology. As if it weren't bad enough, he makes a joke at the white house access journo club dinner about being really good at killing people with predator drones.
Wow, great news, war sucksTrump announces Turkey agrees to a permanent ceasefire. As a result we are lifting our sanctions. Yayyy! We have secured the oil so a small group of troops will be staying. And we will decide what to do with it.
The USA did this, nobody else. We now have peace between Turkey, Syria and the Kurds. So now we are leaving. Let someone else fight over this bloodstained sand. Thanks to Pence and Pompeo. We have saved countless lives. An outcome reached without spilling one drop of American blood.
I just spoke to General Mazlum of the Kurds. He is so grateful to us, so happy. And he guarantees the ISIS killers will stay under lock and key.
We reserve the right to impose crippling sanctions on Turkey if they don’t keep their word.
The reason rulers like Assad become official boogeymen is not because the US cares about human rights all of a sudden, but because they stand between US oil and the neocons. This is what the CIA does, rinse and repeat, over and over and over again. They set countries ablaze, arm violent opposition, watch the people burn, and then go in to play savior.
It wasn't long ago that Assad was the darling of the west. What changed? Did Bashar Assad just arbitrarily decide to start murdering his own people? What changed- of course, obviously- was the oil politics.
But, you know. “Muh oil” I guess.
One of the original benefits to the Kurds helping us is that the U.S. helped them secure the oil reserves they "control", which is a massive boon to the Kurds.TRUMP on Syria's oil: "We've secured the oil and, therefore, a small number of US Troops will remain in the area. Where they have the oil. And we're going to be protecting it, and we'll be deciding what we're going to do with it in the future."
Are we stealing their oil? Or just holding it for Putin?
That was twelve years ago. When an actual neocon was in charge. And Bush, like his dad and Reagan, would sign on with anyone who would ally up at all with the US, this time over Al Qaeda. Assad was willing to be a Middle East voice for the US in the War on Terror.
Then Obama became President and stopped supporting him, and his administration called out Assad for his support of Hamas and Palestinian terrorist organizations in addition to other Palestinian right wing militants who we considered borderline paramilitary organizations. And providing tactical ballistic missiles to Hezbollah. Obama levied sanctions against Syrian officials, companies, and banks.
And then, while the US was withdrawing support, the Syrian civil war started in 2012. After Houla, where 80 women and children were slaughtered, we effectively severed diplomatic ties and from 2011 on attempted to get the UN heavily involved, including with sanctions and a peacekeeping force, but were blocked by Russia, China, and a couple of others.
Your post just said "the Syrian civil war started in 2012." You omit the billion+ dollar operation by the CIA, called Timber Sycamore, to arm, train, and support violent rebels. Some of whom went on to participate in genocide against the Kurds. They did this to foment regime change in Syria, because Assad was not on board with a Qatari/Saudi pipeline. That's when the dynamic changed. That's when the violence started.One of the original benefits to the Kurds helping us is that the U.S. helped them secure the oil reserves they "control", which is a massive boon to the Kurds.
The post ren didn't quote was this:
No. The fact that it became about just oil to Donald Trump does not mean that's what it's been about this whole time. How do you not see that? Trump talking about the oil being okay when we left the Kurds out to dry is precisely the kind of thing people are upset about. Putin using this to take control of Syrian oil is why he's scum.Your post just said "the Syrian civil war started in 2012." You omit the billion+ dollar operation by the CIA, called Timber Sycamore, to arm, train, and support violent rebels. Some of whom went on to participate in genocide against the Kurds. They did this to foment regime change in Syria, because Assad was not on board with a Qatari/Saudi pipeline. That's when the dynamic changed. That's when the violence started.
When I raised this point- that it was predominantly about oil and pipeline politics- you insulted it. But I was right, and you were wrong. Even you yourself mentioned the oil in northern Syria as part of Russia's stunning victory, how it would enable a pipeline for their energy markets. Trump just said what everyone already knew- it is about oil.
Where in that article does it say that Russia is demanding that we leave?And now Putin is completely emasculating our C-in-C: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/russian-demands-all-u-s-troops-leave-syria-slams-trump-s-occupying-force-1.8023612
What an embarrassment.
It’s implied by the Russian proclamation of being the only legitimate military presence by way of invitation from Syrian governmentWhere in that article does it say that Russia is demanding that we leave?
Not quite the same as demanding we leave.It’s implied by the Russian proclamation of being the only legitimate military presence by way of invitation from Syrian government
Russia demanded on Thursday that any remaining U.S. soldiers in Syria leave the country, denouncing the United States as an occupying force in the war-torn Middle Eastern state.And now Putin is completely emasculating our C-in-C: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/russian-demands-all-u-s-troops-leave-syria-slams-trump-s-occupying-force-1.8023612
What an embarrassment.
Is this like the Madagascar Plan to relocate Jews from Europe. Out of harms way?Per reporting, Turkey is using militias, which include former ISIS and al-Qaida members, committing all kinds of crimes against humanity (and making videos of these to scare off Kurds and get them to leave- ethnic cleansing)- Turkey claims they have no control over the militias (which is false) and thus they are keeping to their word about the ceasefire.
Meanwhile Trump just tweeted: "Maybe it's time the Kurds relocate to the oil areas."
You've got to move it, move it...Is this like the Madagascar Plan to relocate Jews from Europe. Out of harms way?
Wow. I don't want to type what I'm really thinking, because I'm fairly sure I'll get a trip to the sin bin. He abandons the Kurds, lets Turkey and now Russia run amok while claiming everything's peachy keen, then has the stones to say the Kurds should move. If you weren't a coward and a crook, Donald, they probably wouldn't be in this situation!Meanwhile Trump just tweeted: "Maybe it's time the Kurds relocate to the oil areas."
Skipper 2020You've got to move it, move it...
Wait, wrong Madagascar.
Just smile and wave boys. Smile and wave.
Do you genuinely see a significant difference?jamny said:Not quite the same as demanding we leave.
Absolutely. I think saying we shouldn't be there and demanding we leave are two different things.Do you genuinely see a significant difference?
ok. thanksAbsolutely. I think saying we shouldn't be there and demanding we leave are two different things.