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RB Najee Harris, PIT (2 Viewers)
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Alex P Keaton
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Chaka
Footballguy
Why? He got 19 touches (on 21 looks) in a tough roadie which his team won.
He's more of a buy than a sell.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I'm guessing it's because the line looks bad and Big Ben looks cooked.
Volume will be there which is good for FF. Space and scoring opportunities might be tough to come by.
Chaka
Footballguy
Agreed, not sure Ben is entirely cooked though but I get your point, but the two things you really want from your magic football RBs are volume and a real life team that wins.
Alex P Keaton
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The Frankman
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Chaka
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Yup, it's a concern.
But 19 touches (not sure how many targets), zero competition and a winning team. That's 100% a hold and probably a buy low...until Ben gets hurts.
Sunday Gravy
Footballguy
O line is the big concern. Ben will be fine and lots of talent out wide. This was not an easy spot to debut in either. Hostile environment against a top team.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Ben was horrible with screen passes to Harris. Big misses
The Frankman
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BobbyLayne
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- 14 receptions for 102 yards niiiiiiiice
- rushed 14 times for 40 yards oh #### O-line still sucks eh
HW_53
Footballguy
The Steelers are brutal in a way we haven't seen in the last 15-ish years or so.. Najee should be fantasy relevant for the next 3 years based on volume, but his career may be shortened as a result.
This is f*&^*^ing ridiculous.
Why is the front office frozen. He's not going to bench himself. And neither will Tomlin nor should he because yes we will likely get worse before we get better.
We get rid of every other position way in time. We are terrible - but most importantly he is killing fantastic young talent on O and wasting talent on D.
If the fat #### can't clipboard and help/teach the newbs then sit the #### down and collect your 28 mil. We paid you enough and this part of your career should be part of the deal. His call - and yes you will mop up once in a while. If not, GTFO. It's embarrassing.
Why is the front office frozen. He's not going to bench himself. And neither will Tomlin nor should he because yes we will likely get worse before we get better.
We get rid of every other position way in time. We are terrible - but most importantly he is killing fantastic young talent on O and wasting talent on D.
If the fat #### can't clipboard and help/teach the newbs then sit the #### down and collect your 28 mil. We paid you enough and this part of your career should be part of the deal. His call - and yes you will mop up once in a while. If not, GTFO. It's embarrassing.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Ben threw 30 of his 54 passes BEHIND the LOS and that was because Diontae was OUT. I wouldn't expect that from Harris if he is healthy.BobbyLayne said:
Steelers O-Line sucks.
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Steelers' Najee Harris has been hit at or behind the LOS on 70% of his carries — highest rate in the NFL, per
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BobbyLayne
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About what we expected eh, especially with JuJu getting crunched early and missing most of the game.
Tomlin might be looking at his first losing record.
Hard to see a lot of upside for Harris unless you have faith the O-line will gel going forward. It’s a volume play, not like they have many options or it would get better with McFarland (think he comes off IR soon.) Good solid floor but this past week we probably saw his ceiling.
BobbyLayne
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I’m mulling that over as well, and this is probably the best week to do it. But my league is full of Ravens and Steelers homers which makes it an even tougher sell. Not exactly a secret or unexpected what we’ve seen so far.
OTOH my squad in my main league is pretty stack, leading in PF. May just keep him bc better the devil you know than the devil you don't know. Coming back to you will probably be another disappointment (Barkley, Taylor, Gibson, CEH) and you’ll maybe have to package Najee. Not gonna get a lot straight up IMO.
But you never know how other managers value him, doesn’t hurt to start putting out feelers.
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BobbyLayne
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That’s exactly what I’m saying. I don’t need WRs or TE so I’m probably moving him like for like. IDK if Taylor or Gibson (possible trade targets) are going to continue to lose high value touches to Hines:McKissic.
Najee is gonna have some ugly standard stats but points is points, so if weak arm Ben can’t push it upfield, then guys like Freiermuth, JJSS and Najee will benefit with an uptick in low ADot targets.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
In the only league I took him - full PPR - he’s RB6 YTD
RB39 Wk 1
RB9 Wk 2
RB1 Wk 3
Paired with Swift (RB3) - so far, so good - but obviously it is looking a bit bleak for Harris going forward
Volume, especially high value targets, is the sole reason to own him
Half or standard, would not want him (and don’t have him in my three half PPR leagues)
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Agreed. This was basically a best case scenario. Anyone that watched Pitt down the stretch last year knew this was going to be a terrible offense with a terrible O-line. Him getting 98% of the RB snaps and 20 catches threw 3 weeks was the entire upside basis for his value.
The offense put up plenty of points in their last two games last year (including the playoffs), and while there were obviously questions around Ben, there was also a slight bit of optimism that he'd be better after an offseason of rest, at least to start off the season.
The snaps are great, as are the receptions (although obviously skewed by the huge number this week), but a 3.1 ypc and zero rushing TDs certainly is not. IMO double-digit rushing TDs was part of the upside basis for his value as well.
The Frankman
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johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
Hope it was just some rest and he is a full participant tomorrow.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Steelers Depot @Steelersdepot
Were you alive for the 950 yards that Trent Richardson registered for the Browns in 2012?
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ron burrow@ronfillet
For a running back to get 1,000 yards with a line that can’t block and is contacted in the backfield on the majority of carries is unheard of
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVgXGw_XhRQ
Were you alive for the 950 yards that Trent Richardson registered for the Browns in 2012?
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ron burrow@ronfillet
For a running back to get 1,000 yards with a line that can’t block and is contacted in the backfield on the majority of carries is unheard of
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVgXGw_XhRQ
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Anytime he looks good with that terrible o line and terrible offensive scheme you should be surprised
GroveDiesel
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Yeah, I definitely feel like he’s a volume play more than anything because of how bad everything else is around him. But he’s one of the few RBs this year that you can consistently count on 15+ touches each week and that’s nothing to sneeze at.
I'm going to start him were I have him but he looks gassed and not trying to be after the fact jack but his season has gone almost exactly as I thought. I figured he'd start slow behind new patchwork OL, then start hitting his stride before the workload and wear and tear started to slow him down near the end.
Rookie RB getting coming off a 14 game season in college getting the snaps/touches he has with so little free space to operate is tough sledding. And knock on wood but amazing that I can't recall this guy ever even showing up on the injury report.
Rookie RB getting coming off a 14 game season in college getting the snaps/touches he has with so little free space to operate is tough sledding. And knock on wood but amazing that I can't recall this guy ever even showing up on the injury report.
He didn't look gassed 2 weeks ago against the Vikings, I think it's more the situation around him is so bad that he's going to be pretty inconsistent and match-up dependent (along with the rest of the team)
That stretch mid-season where he was great for FF came when the Steelers went 4-0-1. He wasn't particularly "great" in real life in those games either, just got a ton of touches against weaker opponents.
HW_53
Footballguy
Dude begins every play jump-cutting the center or the guard because they are 4 yards in the backfield as he receives the ball. Pitt draft next year better be OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL.
