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I am not sure there is an or else unfortunately...and I agree its a problem. Because I see plenty that would dig in and defend no matter what the facts are. And while it may lead to more short term division...they too should be exposed from protecting criminal acts from the highest office. Again...it would be up to the DOJ to do so very carefully and transparent so that there can be no doubt of what went on...
While true ... we're now in the land of "nuisance investigations". Trump will be investigated after leaving office, then so will Biden and/or Harris (assuming sufficient Republican control of other branches), then the next president, etc., etc.
Instead he closed borders, shut down the economy, increased production of PPE and ventilators, activated the military to assist with high risk states and fast tracked vaccine production so that we may have a vaccine for novel virus in record time. What an idiot.
It really depends on what crimes he may have committed. For example, we shouldn't be going after him for Hatch Act violations, or for using a private or unsecured email account. Those types of violations should be addressed by strengthening the existing laws.
Closed borders? Yeah not so much.
So far as I'm aware, all "safer at home" guidance and restrictions on non-essential businesses came down from state and municipal levels. I know there was a federal guidance document that came out later on down the road, but IMHO that didn't have the force of even a mandate.
Also, don't forget about all those times that Trump told us to wear masks, and also how we should obey lawful orders from our governors and mayors.
That was a good article, but......I couldn't help but get the feeling that it was just a sophisticated variation on the old argument, "Give the extremists what they want or else they'll start a Civil War."
It's a variation on "The extremists on both sides should want Trump to win, but please don't give the extremists what they want."
I have always thoughts there's a small segment (maybe it's larger than I thought) that just needed something to be outraged about. It seems like one extreme or the other will be outraged for four years. I am just thankful that IF Biden wins that we won't have somebody who intentionally stirs that outrage up on both sides (IMO).
Once this became community spread, this was not going to be stopped. Enough people are not going to lock themselves in their homes and/or stay consistent with social distancing,. Trump has been a poor leader, but it's ridiculous to think a different outcome of any substance with a different President. Not with a virus that spreads like this and the mindset of too many people.
IMO there is much truth to your argument as a general statement, but when you get into specifics it’s pretty lazy. The study takes into account public reaction. We still would have lost plenty of lives. But we would have lost far less.
Why do you do you assume that Trump did not influence the so-called "mindset of too many people"?
What is lazy? Everything is very polarized and political. Nobody is listening to each other, masks are a debate, lockdowns are being politicized, etc. I have no reason to believe that Biden would be doing much better here.
Trump should have been advocating masks. He didn't. I don't know if, or how many of his supporters, would be wearing masks regularly if he said so.
Strongly disagree. A clear, proactive plan consistent with public health recommendations, national mask mandate and deference to scientists would have saved tens of thousands, if not 100K+ lives. There’s no reason to believe Trump’s leadership is the best we can do, nor that culture is the sole determinate of pandemic outcomes.
Why are masks a debate? Why were lockdowns politicized? It was Donald Trump who caused these things to happen.
It's rather logical to conclude those that aren't wearing masks because Trump said they were no big deal would also be the ones wearing them because he did (had he chosen to do the right thing). Can we put a hard number on it to "know"? Of course not, but it's not a stretch to say a good chunk of his followers would have continued to be his followers even if he said to put on a mask.
Securing the court was more important than helping those in need. That should be on every ad against him until he is no longer in office.
I’ve been pretty critical of Pelosi too but at least she tried to get a deal done. This is far worse. And it’s always that way: every time I don’t like the way some Democrat behaves, a Republican comes along and does something far worse. How can anyone justify this?
And its not just him...no way he is doing that all on his own. Its at the direction of the rest of the GOP in the Senate and/or Trump himself. So that POTUS can claim he tried and blame it on Pelosi and democrats (while ignoring McConnel’s actions)
Pelosi has been playing games with the stimulus package for weeks. Yes, BOF SIDEZ!
Donald is the only one that seems to want a deal between him , Pelosi and McConnell
Absolutely. If Trump announced that he wanted McConnell to work with Pelosi and/or accept the Democratic bill passed months ago, it would be a done deal.
Accept the Democrat deal? No pass Donald’s deal, which was more than Pelosi proposed. Father Trump has been firm on not bailing out Seattle & Portland
The Democrat deal...nobody said that. Though, do as normal, bring the bill up...mark it up...revise, vote to send it back or negotiate between the two...yeah.
I think that is a mischaracterization of what Pelosi's deal did. But if not, do you approve of only helping cities or states with Republican mayors or governors rather than all cities or states that need financial aid?
I haven’t heard Trump be this explicit so I will withhold my condemnation. But if true it’s yet another of so many reasons why he needs to be gone, and will be soon, hopefully.
There is plenty of blame to go around, including Pelosi, and I’ve been saying that from the beginning. But while Pelosi and Trump are both somewhat guilty, the Senate Republicans are without doubt the MOST guilty.
Maybe you won't miss it, perhaps if Biden is elected they will still call him Father Trump.
I dont see this. That study was a simplistic look at fatality rate in countries and then simply applying to the US with what appears to be a minor adjustment for the US being so obese.timschochet said:
