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2020-21 NBA *Playoffs* Thread: Bucks are the champs and you can take that to the bank bromigos (8 Viewers)
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Frostillicus
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
Yes you can ignore it. Unless he is holding every team's best player to almost 0 points and 0 assists he is a net negative to a team.
You can't play 4 on 5 basketball in the playoffs and that guy is your primary ball handler. The league is too offensive orientated right now.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
You like Ben too much. Seriously, it is like the guy that walks into a pawn shop to sell their family heirloom. It might be worth 200 dollars, but to that person selling it for anything less than life changing money is impossible because of how they feel about it.
The 76ers will get something for Ben, assuming they trade him, but you are going to be severely disappointed if you think it is a rising star and a bunch of picks.
Deamon
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Deamon
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Yo Mama
Footballguy
Crap, forgot he’s a Klutch client. Time to go back and delete some of my old posts in this thread.
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Kind of like the ones claiming Portland should blow it up after their first round exit.
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
FairWarning
Footballguy
I could see Simmons working well on the Lakers with a facilitator like LBJ. A little surprised that Atlanta won a low scoring game.
NBA champions by seed:
No. 1 (53) 71.6%
No. 2 (12) 16.2%
No. 3 (7) 9.5%
No. 4 (1) 1.4%
No. 5 (0) 0.0%
No. 6 (1) 1.4%
The NBA playoffs more than other sports go according to seed. Which is kind of strange because an injury to one key player could have a bigger impact on basketball more so than other sports with larger teams. The current odds.
#3 Bucks. -105
#2 Suns. +135
#4. Clippers. +850
#5. Hawks. +1200
Considering who is left, kind of surprised the Clippers and Hawks have such long odds. The Suns have won game 1, but a game 1 win by the home team is probably the least important indicator in a seven game series.
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Home teams winning game 1 go on to win the seven game series 85% of the time. The current Clippers price of +350 seems about right.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Especially when the NBA is always the chalkiest of all sports during the postseason.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
The stats I have seen suggest otherwise. The stats I have seen says the home team has a 53% advantage going into a 7-game series, it bumps up to 66% by winning game 2 then up to 88% if they win both game 1 and 2. But that stat was based on multiple sports including baseball and hockey as well as basketball. NBA stats seem to favor the favorite more than other sports. But IMHO, none of these teams are a dominant force and fairly equal. There are no Micheal Jordan Bulls or LaBron James type super teams remaining. Their records show they are all very beatable.
SWC
Bromigo
i guess the sixers did when they gave simmons a max contract take that to the bank brohans
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Exactly the same. Keeping claiming you know more about basketball then anyone in here. It really shows.
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
I never claimed I know more about basketball than anyone here.
And yes, hitting the reset button by shipping a top-30-ish player is a little less reasonable than shipping a top-5-ish player, so you're kinda right. Congrats?
FairWarning
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
i was about to post he could head to the lakers because of lebron. Not sure for what though.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Just saw the clip this morning - damn that's just a direct shot at Simmons. Seems like there's no way they can bring him back to this team now.
Rich Hofmann @rich_hofmann
Joel Embiid: "I'll be honest. I thought the turning point was when we — I don't know how to say it — is when we had an open shot and we made one free throw..."
10:31 PM · Jun 20, 2021
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Embiid is right that Simmons passing on that open dunk was a game changer. Maybe that one point doesn't matter, but on the other hand, Ben needed that dunk for confidence, as did the rest of the team. They were already playing like a team defeated and that was like the convincer that they already lost.
Embiid played on a torn meniscus, and then in the 4th this guy won't take an open two-handed dunk, stands around when he doesn't have the ball, and when guys literally sag 15 feet off of him he looks around like a lost dog instead of trying to make something happen.
Dude is talented but he is playing out of position probably and/or just needs an entirely different type of cast around him. The Embiid-Simmons two-man team is dead. They both need a different skill set from the #2 guy than either can provide each other. Sixers made a mistake by thinking Doc could fix Ben -- should have traded him for Paul or Harden or Beal.
So who are the potential All-Star type players available via trade or FA this upcoming season?
Lillard
McCollum
Beal
LaVine
Lowery
Dinwiddie
Hield
Sexton?
Embiid played on a torn meniscus, and then in the 4th this guy won't take an open two-handed dunk, stands around when he doesn't have the ball, and when guys literally sag 15 feet off of him he looks around like a lost dog instead of trying to make something happen.
Dude is talented but he is playing out of position probably and/or just needs an entirely different type of cast around him. The Embiid-Simmons two-man team is dead. They both need a different skill set from the #2 guy than either can provide each other. Sixers made a mistake by thinking Doc could fix Ben -- should have traded him for Paul or Harden or Beal.
So who are the potential All-Star type players available via trade or FA this upcoming season?
Lillard
McCollum
Beal
LaVine
Lowery
Dinwiddie
Hield
Sexton?
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Dr. Octopus
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While I doubt it happens (for many reasons), the Nets may be the best fit for Simmons - they could use his defense and he doesn't need to even consider ever taking a shot with the Nets.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Maybe Cleveland is ready to move Love's contract?
Sexton and Love for Simmons and Hill works . . . .
Sexton and Love for Simmons and Hill works . . . .
SWC
Bromigo
if you are the blazers why would you want simmons hes not anywhere near the player lillard is and the fans would hate you for it if you trade lillard if has to be for young talent without a simmons max conteact and lots of picks take that to the bank brohans
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Nathan R. Jessep
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A couple of notes on last night's game.
1) I've never seen an NBA player straight up scared to take a wide open shot for fear of having to go to the free throw line. Even the in-game announcers as well as the post-game team brought it up. Just wow.
2) How a head coach can leave a player from scenario 1 in the game, in a close game especially, completely baffles me. I don't care how good he is on defense or whatever else he may do well. He's 100% a liability in that situation and everyone on the floor knows it.
1) I've never seen an NBA player straight up scared to take a wide open shot for fear of having to go to the free throw line. Even the in-game announcers as well as the post-game team brought it up. Just wow.
2) How a head coach can leave a player from scenario 1 in the game, in a close game especially, completely baffles me. I don't care how good he is on defense or whatever else he may do well. He's 100% a liability in that situation and everyone on the floor knows it.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Simmons and Lebron on the same team is a perfect storm for this thread. Please get this guy to LA
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
What happened last night could be a turning point in Ben Simmons career. His disappearing act this playoffs has clearly brought his “value” in question. Hopefully the embarrassment he feels will propel him to finally address the gaping holes in his game.
With that said- I think Tobias Harris is also getting overshadowed by Simmons for his role in the Sixers losing. With Simmons clearly not playing well through the first 4 games of the series- the Sixers and Embiid needed Harris to be a great second option in games 5-7. In those three games- he shot a total of 19-55 from the field (34.5%) and averaged only 17.8 points. He also had one of the worst +/- out of all of the Sixers starters. While Simmons and Doc both deserve a lot of the fault- what Harris did in the last 3 games was also very underwhelming
With that said- I think Tobias Harris is also getting overshadowed by Simmons for his role in the Sixers losing. With Simmons clearly not playing well through the first 4 games of the series- the Sixers and Embiid needed Harris to be a great second option in games 5-7. In those three games- he shot a total of 19-55 from the field (34.5%) and averaged only 17.8 points. He also had one of the worst +/- out of all of the Sixers starters. While Simmons and Doc both deserve a lot of the fault- what Harris did in the last 3 games was also very underwhelming
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Balco
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Not sure what team would trade for Simmons and give anything of significant value. It would have to be bad contract for bad contract. Only trade that might make sense on its face is Simmons for cj mccollum.
More than likely this is it for sixers window - Ben and Joel. It’s been five years and there are no signs Simmons is coachable or is willing to put the work in so he is what he is at this point. Now it’s sixers front office job to try and make it work by creating a roster within tight salary constraints that will make the offense work.
More than likely this is it for sixers window - Ben and Joel. It’s been five years and there are no signs Simmons is coachable or is willing to put the work in so he is what he is at this point. Now it’s sixers front office job to try and make it work by creating a roster within tight salary constraints that will make the offense work.
Hield would definitely be selling low for the Sixers but that framework makes some sense for both teams.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Something like Kemba + a pick/prospect may make sense....if Doc thinks Kemba has something left in the tank. He certainly is not a player that shies away from taking shots in crunchtime. I know Cs fans wish he would have passed more of those up to Tatum or Brown.
Simmons is only 24. It may be over in Philly, but someone will think they can rehab him. That contract is just awful though.
Simmons is only 24. It may be over in Philly, but someone will think they can rehab him. That contract is just awful though.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I think that framework could very well worth be evaluating if the Kings included Bagley in some sort of package along with Hield. Bagleys defense needs some major polishing but his offensive skills could be of great value to the Sixers. Also- his length could replace some of the length they would be losing if they traded away Simmons.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
If Simmons could shoot at a prime Russell Westbrook level he becomes a top 15ish player. That really shouldn't be that difficult.
His contract isn't that bad. It is the price of doing business in the NBA. There are lots of guys that get max deals that shouldn't.
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mr. furley
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probably the most amazing result of these playoffs so far is the chatter about which teams would trade for Ben Simmons and what it would take to get him.
"would the Bulls trade LaVine and..."
"would Portland move Lillard and.... what about McCollum and...."
"does Zion want out of New Orleans, would Philadelphia move Simmons for Zion and Ingram plus picks..."
"Anthony Edwards and KAT for Simmons if the Timberwolves add..."
"would the Bulls trade LaVine and..."
"would Portland move Lillard and.... what about McCollum and...."
"does Zion want out of New Orleans, would Philadelphia move Simmons for Zion and Ingram plus picks..."
"Anthony Edwards and KAT for Simmons if the Timberwolves add..."
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I’m not one for making excuses but there is no dissecting the Nets elimination - Kyrie out and Harden very limited. They still almost won - I don’t see any reason to overreact, just bad luck.
identikit
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Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
I think LBJ's fandom for Simmons stems from him being a Klutch client and likely ends there.Simmons and Lebron on the same team is a perfect storm for this thread. Please get this guy to LA
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
No dinwiddie, no Kyrie; basically no Harden and let’s not forget that they also had Lemarcus Aldridge before he had to retire with the cardiac issues.
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