2020-21 NBA Thread: AROD buys Timberwolves to satisfy lifelong dream of living in Minnesota

[wikkidpissah 19,180]

30 minutes ago, Major said:

Is it me or does Kemba hold that team back?  I think you trade him for some asset who can help now.

Brian Scalabrine, who has taken over fulltime now for Tommy Heinsohn as Celtic color man, has done a wonderful job talking about Kemba's Celtic role this season. Basically, he didnt know how to play with guys who were nowhere near as likely to #### it up as he was used to and, in his first go-round as a Celtic, deferred to his new teammates, not wanting to be the Kyrie, to his and their detriment. Then came the knee and the two factors combined in this summer's bubble disaster.

Scal works out with these guys now & then and said that they had Kemba really focused, during his rehab, on playing balls-out for shorter arcs of time ("point-a-minute" Scal called it) with his teammates being the ones to defer, as the best way to integrate his game with the young stars. First 3-4 games back, it was working like a charm but, for some reason, the prime-time Laker game turned him right back into the yipatron he'd been in the bubble. He was as halting as his 2020 self then against GS and out for the b2b last nite. It remains to be seen what the next act in this drama will bring.

Edited February 4 by wikkidpissah

[modogg 4,945]

1 hour ago, Major said:

Is it me or does Kemba hold that team back?  I think you trade him for some asset who can help now.

i don't know what they would expect to get back for Kemba. With his degen knee issue and larger contract i don't know if he has a ton of value going forward. 

i do enjoy watching the CLNS podcast about the C's, the 4 guys on it seem like good media guys. what is funny is after almost every single loss the entire C fanbase talks about trading Tristan and Kemba for some top player around the league, or just throwing all of their crap players like Grant Williams, Romeo, etc. and getting something back. 

[modogg 4,945]

1 hour ago, wikkidpissah said:

Brian Scalabrine, who has taken over fulltime now for Tommy Heinsohn as Celtic color man, has done a wonderful job talking about Kemba's Celtic role this season. Basically, he didnt know how to play with guys who were nowhere near as likely to #### it up as he was used to and, in his first go-round as a Celtic, deferred to his new teammates, not wanting to be the Kyrie, to his and their detriment. Then came the knee and the two factors combined in this summer's bubble disaster.

Scal works out with these guys now & then and said that they had Kemba really focused, during his rehab, on playing balls-out for shorter arcs of time ("point-a-minute" Scal called it) with his teammates being the ones to defer, as the best way to integrate his game with the young stars. First 3-4 games back, it was working like a charm but, for some reason, the prime-time Laker game turned him right back into the yipatron he'd been in the bubble. He was as halting as his 2020 self then against GS and out for the b2b last nite. It remains to be seen what the next act in this drama will bring.

i don't know if Heyward would have wanted to sign back with the C's, but he seems to be doing fairly well after moving on. Tristan is a bit of a dumpster fire

[modogg 4,945]

Using twitter for the all stars is so silly. if it didn't effect player contracts it would be fine but we really think there are that many people in the country who are capable of doing this correctly?:

Chris Palmer @ChrisPalmerNBA

1h

All-Star Vote Leaders:

1. KD 2,302,705

2. LeBron 2,288,676

3. Steph 2,113,178

4. Giannis 1,752,185

5. Embiid 1,584,028

 

40. Klay Thompson 99,094

[Major 1,607]

59 minutes ago, modogg said:

i don't know what they would expect to get back for Kemba. With his degen knee issue and larger contract i don't know if he has a ton of value going forward. 

i do enjoy watching the CLNS podcast about the C's, the 4 guys on it seem like good media guys. what is funny is after almost every single loss the entire C fanbase talks about trading Tristan and Kemba for some top player around the league, or just throwing all of their crap players like Grant Williams, Romeo, etc. and getting something back. 

Yeah, I should've prefaced by saying I have no idea about his trade value, contract, etc.  I'm only a casual Celtics viewer but I'd like to see Jaylen run the show.  Seems like Kemba can get in the way. 

[Bears_Man2 39]

Who is more likely to be an All Star this season?

Derrick Rose or Ben Simmons?

[Deamon 5,608]

9 minutes ago, Bears_Man2 said:

Who is more likely to be an All Star this season?

Derrick Rose or Ben Simmons?

Actually?

Ben:  13.4P, 8.1R, 8.0A, 1.7S, 0.9B, 1st place in the East.

Rose:  14.2P, 1.9R, 4.2A, 1.2S, 0.3B, Last place in the East.

And that's not even counting Defense which is perhaps Ben's biggest strength.  But I'm sure most in here are going to somehow pick Rose.

[modogg 4,945]

lol, what the heck are the Sixers doing tonight? losing by 20 to the T-Blazers is astonshing considering they have virtually no one playing.

At least everybody can't blame for this one

[Deamon 5,608]

25 minutes ago, modogg said:

lol, what the heck are the Sixers doing tonight? losing by 20 to the T-Blazers is astonshing considering they have virtually no one playing.

At least everybody can't blame for this one

Yep... Embiid's first home loss of the entire year.  And it's to a Dame-less Blazers team and the game isn't even close. 

[Alex P Keaton 4,285]

Dallas is really not a good team right now.

[EYLive 5,471]

The Lakers' defense and energy is excellent, but the Nuggets also got freezing cold in the second half.

[Deamon 5,608]

5 hours ago, Alex P Keaton said:

Dallas is really not a good team right now.

Ya their dropoff has been remarkable. 

[Deamon 5,608]

There's such a clear top 4 teams in each conference right now.  If the standings finish the way they are today, we could have the best and most exciting 2nd round playoff matchups of all time.

Celtics vs Sixers
Nets vs Bucks

Nuggets vs Jazz
Lakers vs Clippers

That would be so much fun.
 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub 89]

Sixers destroyed by Blazers

Cha-Ching!

[Deamon 5,608]

1 hour ago, Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:

Sixers destroyed by Blazers

Cha-Ching!

Let me guess, easy money for you because you bet against them last night but just didn't happen to bet against them in all their wins recently 😛

 

[Leeroy Jenkins 3,052]

They are really going to PLAY an all-star game and bring in all these people for no real reason?  Come on Adam Silver.

[General Malaise 27,539]

76ers lol

[Deamon 5,608]

46 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

76ers lol

Ya it's pretty much trolling at this point simply because there's more Sixers fans in the thread than any other team.  And this is from a Dallas fan??

[Gr00vus 11,999]

Philadelphia fans are the best/worst.

[Jayrod 4,976]

8 hours ago, Deamon said:

There's such a clear top 4 teams in each conference right now.  If the standings finish the way they are today, we could have the best and most exciting 2nd round playoff matchups of all time.

Celtics vs Sixers
Nets vs Bucks

Nuggets vs Jazz
Lakers vs Clippers

That would be so much fun.
 

As a Boston fan, the Celtics are clearly the 8th best team in that group.  They are more on par with Phoenix and Indiana than those other 7.

[Deamon 5,608]

2 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

As a Boston fan, the Celtics are clearly the 8th best team in that group.  They are more on par with Phoenix and Indiana than those other 7.

Ya maybe so.  I try not to follow any Celtics stuff since they let Kelly walk.

[Jayrod 4,976]

What does everybody think of the Jazz? They seem to be kind of legit this year. I've been a big fan of Snyder over the last few years and I like Gobert, Mitchell and Conley.

In this run where they've won like 14 out of 15, they have not played either LA team or Philly, but did play 2 vs Denver and the Bucks.

[Jayrod 4,976]

3 minutes ago, Deamon said:

Ya maybe so.  I try not to follow any Celtics stuff since they let Kelly walk.

Olynyk?

[Deamon 5,608]

2 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

Olynyk?

Ya I was his coach when he was in grade 8.

[General Malaise 27,539]

42 minutes ago, Deamon said:

Ya it's pretty much trolling at this point simply because there's more Sixers fans in the thread than any other team.  And this is from a Dallas fan??

Just comical how many keystrokes have been wasted on a team that consistently underperforms and perpetually fails to live up to the hype.  Last night, the 76ers lost - AT HOME - to a team that was without their starting backcourt, starting center and small forward.  This was 87 year old Carmelo Anthony and G-team players.  Philly was outscored 64-38 in the second half.  

It's the NBA and that stuff happens.  We're allowed to chuckle at it when it does.  

[Deamon 5,608]

1 minute ago, General Malaise said:

Just comical how many keystrokes have been wasted on a team that consistently underperforms and perpetually fails to live up to the hype.  Last night, the 76ers lost - AT HOME - to a team that was without their starting backcourt, starting center and small forward.  This was 87 year old Carmelo Anthony and G-team players.  Philly was outscored 64-38 in the second half.  

It's the NBA and that stuff happens.  We're allowed to chuckle at it when it does.  

Dude they're first in the East, chill lol.

That stuff does happen... when teams like the Knicks blowout the Bucks, anything can happen.  Philly SHOULD have won that game, but they were also on a back to back and missing their All-Star point guard too.

They definitely sucked, and were TERRIBLE in the 3rd quarter which was the only quarter they lost.

[wikkidpissah 19,180]

28 minutes ago, Deamon said:

Ya maybe so.  I try not to follow any Celtics stuff since they let Kelly walk.

no more 3-way roast beefs?!?!

[wikkidpissah 19,180]

35 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

What does everybody think of the Jazz? They seem to be kind of legit this year. I've been a big fan of Snyder over the last few years and I like Gobert, Mitchell and Conley.

In this run where they've won like 14 out of 15, they have not played either LA team or Philly, but did play 2 vs Denver and the Bucks.

i'd like to like em better because theyre the Celts of the west - team-conceptwise, and we're rapidly running out of team-concept franchises.

i'd like to like em better because nobody's making them pay for their size & mobility issues at forward

i'd like to like em better, but Conley's regression to the mean has begun and they're just easier to figure out in a series than in a game

Edited February 5 by wikkidpissah

[Leeroy Jenkins 3,052]

Seth Curry seems to have really had issues since COVID.  His lungs and legs are not there it seems.

[mr. furley 12,406]

8 hours ago, Jayrod said:

What does everybody think of the Jazz? They seem to be kind of legit this year. I've been a big fan of Snyder over the last few years and I like Gobert, Mitchell and Conley.

In this run where they've won like 14 out of 15, they have not played either LA team or Philly, but did play 2 vs Denver and the Bucks.

Mannix and Beck were talking about not being surprised if they got to the WCF. they were talking like Utah is top 5-6.

[Craig_MiamiFL 2,618]

Durant Out

Durant In

Durant Out

Health and Safety protocol BTW

And these fools want to have an All Star gathering?

Edited February 6 by Craig_MiamiFL

[Craig_MiamiFL 2,618]

Just another game for Lamelo

https://twitter.com/overtime/status/1357893444463689728

So fun. Enjoy the ride and gift Charlotte.

Edited February 6 by Craig_MiamiFL

[wikkidpissah 19,180]

Kyrie found an owchie so he dont have to fight Harden for the ball (and easy covers) without KD . And DeAndre is already running like Roger Murdoch piggybacking Bob Lanier to the airplane bathroom as the guy who's sposeta guard evvybody. great show -

[modogg 4,945]

On 2/5/2021 at 10:24 AM, Deamon said:

Let me guess, easy money for you because you bet against them last night but just didn't happen to bet against them in all their wins recently 😛

 

i'm guessing we won't hear from Soduko in the Tub tonight or tommorrow 

Ben had a hell of a game though

[Deamon 5,608]

9 minutes ago, modogg said:

i'm guessing we won't hear from Soduko in the Tub tonight or tommorrow 

Ben had a hell of a game though

He probably took the night off betting.  He'll make another bet right before the sixers lose their next game.

[modogg 4,945]

Just now, Deamon said:

He probably took the night off betting.  He'll make another bet right before the sixers lose their next game.

i'm guessing the bet will come in after they lose, but probably right

[EYLive 5,471]

LeBron's 3pt shooting is on another level this year.

[Juxtatarot 11,522]

Shams Charania

@ShamsCharania

2hThe Detroit Pistons are nearing agreement on deal to send Derrick Rose to the New York Knicks for Dennis Smith Jr. and draft compensation, sources tell me and @JLEdwardsIII

Who knew Thibs was so nostalgic?

 

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[whoknew 8,968]

55 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

Shams Charania

@ShamsCharania

2hThe Detroit Pistons are nearing agreement on deal to send Derrick Rose to the New York Knicks for Dennis Smith Jr. and draft compensation, sources tell me and @JLEdwardsIII

Who knew Thibs was so nostalgic?

 

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Pistons got a 2021 2nd rounder with Smith. Seems like a solid deal for them.

Smith is an expiring. So they give him a 50 game tryout and get a 2nd round pick.

[kodycutter 963]

1 hour ago, whoknew said:

Pistons got a 2021 2nd rounder with Smith. Seems like a solid deal for them.

Smith is an expiring. So they give him a 50 game tryout and get a 2nd round pick.

Dennis Smith is awful, how bad do you have to be at PG on the Knicks to get sent to the G-league?    

[wikkidpissah 19,180]

Casey's a bit of a whisperer for attitudinous PGs. Lowry, VanVleet in Canada, turning Delon Wright into an actual point this season. DSJ's his kinda kid

[Craig_MiamiFL 2,618]

Wouldn't be another Bulls season without Wendell Carter and Laurie missing time. 

Laurie now out 2-4 weeks. Carter's out another month or so. Thought they'd need to pick one or the other before the season....trade/let both walk probably an option. If Lonzo Ball is available, I'd deal either or both for him. (Though Pellies seem "set" in the frontcourt. For better or worse by overpaying Steven Adams)

I think the Bulls are better w/o Laurie. Decent offensive player (at times) but that's it. I wouldn't pay the guy $20m/yr to pay one end of the court for 1/2 the season.

Edited February 8 by Craig_MiamiFL

[Juxtatarot 11,522]

6 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Wouldn't be another Bulls season without Wendell Carter and Laurie missing time. 

Laurie now out 2-4 weeks. Carter's out another month or so. Thought they'd need to pick one or the other before the season....trade/let both walk probably an option. If Lonzo Ball is available, I'd deal either or both for him. (Though Pellies seem "set" in the frontcourt. For better or worse by overpaying Steven Adams)

I think the Bulls are better w/o Laurie. Decent offensive player (at times) but that's it. I wouldn't pay the guy $20m/yr to pay one end of the court for 1/2 the season.

I don't get why the Pelicans would want to trade Lonzo.  With Zion and Ingram, they should be trying to win as many games as possible and push for the playoffs.  Their remaining cast of PGs are certainly a downgrade.  

[jvdesigns2002 3,162]

15 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Wouldn't be another Bulls season without Wendell Carter and Laurie missing time. 

Laurie now out 2-4 weeks. Carter's out another month or so. Thought they'd need to pick one or the other before the season....trade/let both walk probably an option. If Lonzo Ball is available, I'd deal either or both for him. (Though Pellies seem "set" in the frontcourt. For better or worse by overpaying Steven Adams)

I think the Bulls are better w/o Laurie. Decent offensive player (at times) but that's it. I wouldn't pay the guy $20m/yr to pay one end of the court for 1/2 the season.

Pelicans set in their front court?  Aside from Zion and Adams--they have literally no depth.  I do like Jaxson Hayes--but he's very young and raw and has a bad habit of getting into foul trouble. The Pelicans are set in their backcourt if anything. They have an over abundance of guards--bledsoe, ball, Nickeil, Kira lewis.  They could use front court depth or a wing defender as the closest thing they have to that is Josh Hart. 

[Juxtatarot 11,522]

22 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Wouldn't be another Bulls season without Wendell Carter and Laurie missing time. 

Laurie now out 2-4 weeks. Carter's out another month or so. Thought they'd need to pick one or the other before the season....trade/let both walk probably an option. If Lonzo Ball is available, I'd deal either or both for him. (Though Pellies seem "set" in the frontcourt. For better or worse by overpaying Steven Adams)

I think the Bulls are better w/o Laurie. Decent offensive player (at times) but that's it. I wouldn't pay the guy $20m/yr to pay one end of the court for 1/2 the season.

By the way, I'm on board with trading Lauri.  Patrick Williams will probably end up being their long-term 4.

[General Malaise 27,539]

Darnell Valentine time!

 

His last believer alive.

[Craig_MiamiFL 2,618]

32 minutes ago, jvdesigns2002 said:

Pelicans set in their front court?  Aside from Zion and Adams--they have literally no depth.  I do like Jaxson Hayes--but he's very young and raw and has a bad habit of getting into foul trouble. The Pelicans are set in their backcourt if anything. They have an over abundance of guards--bledsoe, ball, Nickeil, Kira lewis.  They could use front court depth or a wing defender as the closest thing they have to that is Josh Hart. 

I hear Brandon Ingram is pretty good. They're set in starting frontcourt....for better or worse with Adams...for years ahead. 

All the backcourt pieces you've mentioned have more questions than answers. 

Edited February 8 by Craig_MiamiFL

[Craig_MiamiFL 2,618]

33 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

By the way, I'm on board with trading Lauri.  Patrick Williams will probably end up being their long-term 4.

Yep I agree. 

Lauri reminds me of Mirotic. Inconsistent one half of court player that shows flashes but not enough to warrant committing big money to long term. I think someone will pay Lauri this offseason...time for Bulls to try to get something in return. They aren't getting but a turkey sandwich for Carter so I think he's more likely to stay (for now).

[jvdesigns2002 3,162]

31 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

I hear Brandon Ingram is pretty good. They're set in starting frontcourt....for better or worse with Adams...for years ahead. 

All the backcourt pieces you've mentioned have more questions than answers. 

When you say front court players in the context you are including Steven Adams--the inference is bigger and more imposing types of players.  Brandon Ingram is a long and linky player that offensively plays like a bigger 2 than he does a quintessential front court player.  Even if you want to lump him in as a true front court player---what is their depth?  They have a starting SF, a starting PF in Zion, and Adams.  The depth behind those guys is a huge question mark.   Nickeil is not a question mark--he's uber talented and given consistent playing time and development--he will be a solid player.  The reason why NAW and Kira look like question marks right now is because Van Gundy decided he wanted to start the year playing like 7-8 man rotations and literally impeded the development of a lot of these guys.  

[Juxtatarot 11,522]

1 hour ago, General Malaise said:

Darnell Valentine time!

 

His last believer alive.

The guy who played for the Blazers in the '80s?