Death Bytes
Footballguy
I agree with you.
I was trying to throw a bone to those who are adamant to compare them.
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January 6th - what will happen? (6 Viewers)
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I was trying to throw a bone to those who are adamant to compare them.
dgreen
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
I took a dive into his feed last night . Good stuff, fascinated by the guy with the military helmet and zip tie handcuffs . No mask , easily identifiable
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
100% agree. It needs to be investigated. And if there is zero evidence - cool. So you and I agree.
What’s crazy is that this is even a discussion. Unreal.
Doug B
Footballguy
... I thought you were using the summer riots to argue that the Capitol incursion was a legitimate exercise. If not, then no worries.
Doug B
Footballguy
Are these instances meant to be exculpatory for those who stormed the Capitol? If not ... what's the point of bringing the summer riots up over and over and over again?
The General
Footballguy
WOAH absolutely NOT. Not sure why you thought that. What happened at the Capitol was disgusting and embarrassing. What happened this summer was also disgusting.
Doug B
Footballguy
Agreed x 3. Then say those things explicitly and with precision. Don't ask not-necessarily-likeminded listener to read between the lines with baseline assumptions that aren't shared.
Sea Duck
Footballguy
Wow, man. "Lebron", really? Someone doesn't agree with one particular hot take and you start making assumptions about them? What's the point of engaging in an honest discussion with you if you're just going to call people names?
Articles like this are what cause the divide in this country. The media is a HUGE part of the blame.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/blm-protests-us-capitol-siege-photos-difference-police-response/
They are showing all the contrary pictures from the summer and the Capitol. They are not showing any pics of the summer destruction. Nor are they showing any pics of the dozens of people arrested and tear gassed (or shot) as the Captiol. Disgraceful. You can spin the story anyway you like. The media spins it their way.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/blm-protests-us-capitol-siege-photos-difference-police-response/
They are showing all the contrary pictures from the summer and the Capitol. They are not showing any pics of the summer destruction. Nor are they showing any pics of the dozens of people arrested and tear gassed (or shot) as the Captiol. Disgraceful. You can spin the story anyway you like. The media spins it their way.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Thaaat looks like the Trump contingent ready to go out and address the crowd at the rally ...prior to the riot.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Because people like to downplay or look the other way at political violence committed by their tribe. And then they wonder how the other tribe got to be so evil.
Zow
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
At least 6 Republican State lawmakers identified as part of the mob they stormed the Capital
https://twitter.com/emmavigeland/status/1347581092237373440?s=21
https://twitter.com/emmavigeland/status/1347581092237373440?s=21
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Two interesting aspects to this article on CNN. First is the article itself and the related 'sweeping and vacuuming' video link. The article is very touching about the nature of the black workers, nobly and calmly cleaning up so Congress could get back to work.
Second is in the thread below the video link ...the exchange between AOC and Ted Cruz. She has called him out for fundraising after the riot started; he called her a liar; she responds with a link to his fundraising appeal that went out two hours after the chaos started.
Second is in the thread below the video link ...the exchange between AOC and Ted Cruz. She has called him out for fundraising after the riot started; he called her a liar; she responds with a link to his fundraising appeal that went out two hours after the chaos started.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Has anyone put together a minute by minute account of what transpired at the Capitol? I'd be interested to know how close the folks outside the chamber door came to the VP. Was he long gone? I imagine that's the case, because I've got to think if those protesters got anywhere close to the VP, they would have been taken out.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Not just the VP, but the entire Presidential line of succession down to the Sec. of State.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
More race-hustling by CNN. Red-meat for the choir, I guess. Standard operating procedure.Two interesting aspects to this article on CNN. First is the article itself and the related 'sweeping and vacuuming' video link. The article is very touching about the nature of the black workers, nobly and calmly cleaning up so Congress could get back to work.
Second is in the thread below the video link ...the exchange between AOC and Ted Cruz. She has called him out for fundraising after the riot started; he called her a liar; she responds with a link to his fundraising appeal that went out two hours after the chaos started.
I'm sure they don't have any bleeding-heart stories about white workers cleaning up after the Antifa/BLM riots, do they?
bigbottom
Footballguy
Yeah, these folks making it to Nancy Pelosi's office is scary stuff. I'm glad she didn't retreat there to hide.
Doug B
Footballguy
I share your (apparent) issue with the general iteration of socio-political animus. At the same time, the actors in the Capitol incursion have to be held accountable for their behavior -- can they invoke "the summer riots!" and credibly ask a judge for leniency?
IOW -- your stance works better for a top-of-the-mountain view of the ills of American society as they exists in 2021. Zooming down to the level of the individuals storming the Capitol, though, makes it clear a healthy number of people need to be brought to justice.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
No, they don't. But then again, we as a nation are not dealing with two centuries of systemic racism against whites, are we?
Rich Conway
Footballguy
That seems disingenuous. Best I can tell, in part because of the "Gloria" song playing, that entire sequence is from before Trump even spoke to the crowd. It is not "Trump and family watching the riot".
Doug B
Footballguy
Careful where you swing that -- invoking "context" leaves a big opening for someone to excuse the most damaging of the summer riots ("righteous" context vs. the logical alternative).
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Doesn't matter. You don't fight racism with even MORE racism.
It's this type of BS false narrative from CNN and others that keeps the race-hustling $$$$$ coming in.
the moops
Footballguy
Whatever actually happened, the Trump team needs to hire a new ####ign DJ. My god they have the worst music
Rich Conway
Footballguy
Seemed to me that the DJ was trolling Trump with most of the selections. If I were Trump (and I understood or listened to the lyrics of most of the songs), I'd be furious.
Zow
Footballguy
Until I hear or see more I'd have to agree. It really does look like them preparing for Trump to go on and "rally" the crowd at the Save America rally he did that morning.
They were, of course, maskless and talking about "fighting" so it's not like it wasn't still embrassing to watch, but I am not finding at the moment that it's evidence that they were celebrating the rioting.
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
The DJ playing Pink Floyd's "Brain Damage" while reporters are talking to Trump supporters was the height of trolling.
"The lunatics are on the grass"
bigbottom
Footballguy
Mookie
Footballguy
Agreed. Trump likely retreated to his bunker as soon as the violence started. The video is valuable in that it supports the Trump crew's desire to incite the crowd to violence.
bigbottom
Footballguy
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Doug B
Footballguy
Same issue as the Capitol invaders: In the instance that a summer rioter is convicted of arson, that rioter doesn't get to credibly invoke "two centuries of systemic racism!" and have that considered in his sentencing hearing. Righteous cause notwithstanding ... the arsonist must do the time.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
tri-man 47
Footballguy
CNN has the word "riot" littered all over their page right now and rightfully so!
However, during the summer, they called them protests and never once used the term riot.
Some proof:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/us/minneapolis-business-support-protest-riot-gandhi-mahal-trnd/index.html
However, during the summer, they called them protests and never once used the term riot.
Some proof:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/us/minneapolis-business-support-protest-riot-gandhi-mahal-trnd/index.html
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Death Bytes
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
This is why we can't have honest discussions - because you don't want them. I understand that the truth hurts but that doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it.
Why is this so hard for everyone?
Sea Duck
Footballguy
This take is so wrong that it undermines whatever point you were making previously.
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
Rich Conway
Footballguy
Just to address the "DJ trolling" comments, by my count, the DJ played all of the following at one point or another prior to Trump's address of the crowd.
* Titanic theme song - Self-explanatory
* Beat It - Self-explanatory
* Billie Jean - "But the kid is not my son..."
* Fortunate Son - Self-explanatory
* Macho Man
* Tiny Dancer
* Gloria - "Was it something that he said, Are the voices in your head..."
* Don't Stop Believing
* Brain Damage - "The lunatics are on the grass"
That is an incomplete list, it is only the ones I heard.
* Titanic theme song - Self-explanatory
* Beat It - Self-explanatory
* Billie Jean - "But the kid is not my son..."
* Fortunate Son - Self-explanatory
* Macho Man
* Tiny Dancer
* Gloria - "Was it something that he said, Are the voices in your head..."
* Don't Stop Believing
* Brain Damage - "The lunatics are on the grass"
That is an incomplete list, it is only the ones I heard.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
JAA
Footballguy
When some of these rioters go on trial, I'm wondering if we hear some of these lines: "I was only doing what the President directed me to do. He told me on the stage to take back our country, to Stop the Steal. How can I be guilty of doing what the President of the United States of America directed me to do?"
tri-man 47
Footballguy
@BladeRunner, we didn't have an honest discussion. I shared some information, and you twice came at it hard from 180 degrees the other direction. As you say here, "the truth hurts," meaning you feel you've got the truth and anyone else (like me) is wrong. So we're not going to make any headway ...there's not going to be a reasonable give and take of ideas. Anything further in our little exchange would be a waste of our (and the thread's) time.
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