voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Tough when every pick Mayock makes is terrible. I'd say he should have kept his old job, but that was a draft analyst.
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
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Footballguy
A reminder of Gruden’s evaluation skills: https://twitter.com/marcus_mosher/status/1367463588147818499?s=21
Fortunately for him his previous GM set him up at the position.
As long as Gruden has final say the team will flounder at .500.
Fortunately for him his previous GM set him up at the position.
As long as Gruden has final say the team will flounder at .500.
ICON211
Footballguy
QB evaluations are wrong a lot. I'm still trying to figure out how Joey Harrington was not a HOF QB. I thought he was going to be great.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
One of the first things that soured me to Gruden, When he went to the booth, was that he NEVER, EVER, said anything negative about a player. EVER. maybe some of it was politics, but it drove me nuts.
Gruden won with dungy’s team. Specifically, dungy’s D.
He’s never been any good at talent evaluation. Especially defensive players.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
kaso
Footballguy
My hesitation is based on the hopes of:
- Gus fixing Littleton
- Gus brining in an upgrade he is familiar with
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Absolutely. Let's get rid of everyone who has missed on a pick...
Wait.... who is going to run the NFL now?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
He also won against the team he put together. And would have won if not for the biggest BS call ever in the NFL with that same team which is also the team with the QB that anti-Carr whinners bring up who hw brought in and Raider fans hated because he was a sucky journeyman QB... well, until he was playing MVP level and now he is remembered as one of our fav QBs. Stop being so overly selective. You can't stand that he never said anything bad about a player? What do you think the reaction is when people can't say anything good about a coach, GM, team, etc?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Good, early indications were we might not be able to bring back. He has developed a ton, did out play Littleton (check the snap counts, once Littleton got hurt and Morrow showed he was playing better ball, the snap vounts reversed when Littleton came back).
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Apologies if I am more combative than normal... been in warrior mode since yesterday due to work.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
breathe...
i was at that Super Bowl. it sucked. i don't give gruden a ton of credit for building that team. bruce allen and al davis were the architects. as a first time, young, head coach, i don't believe his input was that great, in building the team. and if he was a big influence, their drafts during his tenure, were not that great. look it up. they took seabass in the 1st round for gods sake. they built that team mostly through FA.
f brady and the tuck rule. and f fat ### siragusa too.
i have not been on board with the 100,000,000, 10 year man, from the get go. can't stand the guy. think he's a clown, that can't relate to players these days. he's a dinosaur, stuck in the past. it's just my opinion, who cares.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
all depends on price. i'm not gonna be bummed if he goes somewhere else at a crazy price tag.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Wait... so it was or was not Gruden's credit/fault? You are basically making two different arguments that oppose each other at the same time to prove you are right. I may not be Socrates but I am pretty sure that isn't logical.breathe...
i was at that Super Bowl. it sucked. i don't give gruden a ton of credit for building that team. bruce allen and al davis were the architects. as a first time, young, head coach, i don't believe his input was that great, in building the team. and if he was a big influence, their drafts during his tenure, were not that great. look it up. they took seabass in the 1st round for gods sake. they built that team mostly through FA.
f brady and the tuck rule. and f fat ### siragusa too.
i have not been on board with the 100,000,000, 10 year man, from the get go. can't stand the guy. think he's a clown, that can't relate to players these days. he's a dinosaur, stuck in the past. it's just my opinion, who cares.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
i'm saying gruden has never been the architect of a winning team. seems pretty clear to me. there was an "IF" in their. and i give credit for his winning teams to allen, davis and dungy.
his approach as a coach back then, worked. west coast offense was still pretty fresh. i don't think either are overly effective now. especially his stupid chucky approach.
"knock on wood, if you're with me"
and if you wanna go, just say the word bruh...
Chadstroma
Footballguy
You would think our offense was ranked 32nd the league with how some of you talk. Carr sucks. Gruden's offense sucks. All of our picks under Gruden suck. Gruden can't coach. Etc, etc, etc... It just a broken record yet we were 8th in yards and 10th in points last year. Crazy how that works out.i'm saying gruden has never been the architect of a winning team. seems pretty clear to me. there was an "IF" in their. and i give credit for his winning teams to allen, davis and dungy.
his approach as a coach back then, worked. west coast offense was still pretty fresh. i don't think either are overly effective now. especially his stupid chucky approach.
"knock on wood, if you're with me"
and if you wanna go, just say the word bruh...
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
I never said Carr sucks. I don’t love gruden’s offense, especially situationally. when it matters most. Gruden does not have a history of good draft picks.
I give you that the offense isn’t the problem. Never said it was.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Holy crap.
Incognito, gone.
Gruden was a big fan of his, maybe it’s a sign that Gruden is listening to mayock and others. One can hope
Another indicator that they are going OL, with the 1st pick.
Incognito, gone.
Gruden was a big fan of his, maybe it’s a sign that Gruden is listening to mayock and others. One can hope
Another indicator that they are going OL, with the 1st pick.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I am surprised Incognito is being cut on top of letting Jackson go. This will be a whole new Oline. Assuming Good is a high priority resign...
Kolton, Good, Hudson, Simpson, TBD
Kolton, Good, Hudson, Simpson, TBD
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Footballguy
ICON211
Footballguy
Incognito only played two games last year. One thing this coaching staff has done really well is get high level offensive line play no matter who was playing. It will be challenging, but I trust them to make the right decisions with this group.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Makes sense for Incognito to go. He is old and more injuries are likely.Holy crap.
Incognito, gone.
Gruden was a big fan of his, maybe it’s a sign that Gruden is listening to mayock and others. One can hope
Another indicator that they are going OL, with the 1st pick.
The scary part is that the Raiders now have more holes on the O side of the ball to go along with a lot of holes on D to fill.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
My holy crap, was more surprise after Jackson being let go. I thought incognito should have been first to go, other than gruden’s crush on him.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
I’m not being clear. I was surprised that incognito was cut right after Jackson. Like you said, they now NEED an OL
Jackson definitely made sense from a money stand point.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Well, not really, remember the yesr before lady year the head EVERYONE wanted was Cable because the line play was not very good.
Miller was still developing and there were injuries and struggling play from everyond other than Hudson.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
ICON211
Footballguy
Yeah, I was speaking about last year.
I don't really see Incognito and Gabe Jackson as huge losses. I think Gabe Jackson is a bit overrated. Good, solid player, but at his price I'm ok with that cut and I don't think Incognito could really be counted on at this stage in his career.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Chad, you been drinking? 
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I think Chad is still sleeping one off. Good for him. Being a Raider fan leads to drinking, lots of drinking.DA RAIDERS said:Chad, you been drinking?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
HA! I was like, I don't get it, what the hell is the joke there.... and then reread that post. Ouch.DA RAIDERS said:Chad, you been drinking?
No alcohol involved. Just fat fingers on a smart phone post without proof reading.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
You’re great peeps Chad. Gruden still sucks.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Chadstroma
Footballguy
See... you get on my good side then jump right back on the bad!You’re great peeps Chad. Gruden still sucks.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I think we had THE most spent on the Oline. On the other side it has been a good to great unit depending on health.
Like most teams, the lower cap number is going to force a lot of hard decisions for sure. There are rumblings of resigning Incognito at a lower number. Buzz is that he is fully healthy and in great shape. I am more than happy to have him back at a lower number. I still feel Good is a priority since he brings he level play and flexibility. Simpson showed a lot of promise but I am more comfy with Incognito and Good at G spots. I am confident Brown will not be with us next year.
Glad to have Miller and Hudson to anchor the unit though.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
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Footballguy
Chadstroma
Footballguy
You know that saying isn't the same when you write it like that.Denial is more than a river in Egypt.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Reporting that we are letting Joyner go. Not surprising but I did wonder if he would be good FS in this D.
massraider
Footballguy
Good to hear we'll be sitting out free agency.
Players Raiders have signed & given $4M+ GTD money to in the Gruden/Mayock era:
Trent Brown ($36M)
Littleton ($22M)
Joyner ($21M)
Tyrell Williams ($21M)
Nassib ($16M)
Kwiatkowski ($13M)
Jordy Nelson ($13M)
Mariota ($7M)
Whitehead ($6M)
Maliek Collins ($5M)
Rashaan Melvin ($4M)
Players Raiders have signed & given $4M+ GTD money to in the Gruden/Mayock era:
Trent Brown ($36M)
Littleton ($22M)
Joyner ($21M)
Tyrell Williams ($21M)
Nassib ($16M)
Kwiatkowski ($13M)
Jordy Nelson ($13M)
Mariota ($7M)
Whitehead ($6M)
Maliek Collins ($5M)
Rashaan Melvin ($4M)
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Rumblings that it is expected we bring back Agholor on a 2 year $15 million deal. I would be happy with that.
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