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He was so jacked, so powerful. No wonder everyone was scared of him
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Pound for pound I'd argue the toughest WR in our generation. 
Daniel Jeremiah wrote an article a few weeks ago were he forecast some key rookie WR's. He had Elijah down for about 85/1,100. Not sure if he was thinking in terms of 17 game season. But for what it's worth if you applied his projections to fantasy then Elijah projected higher then all rookie pass catchers.
Also on his podcast yesterday he predicted Moore for offensive rookie of the year.
Now DJ is friends with Joe Douglass. So whether you think he's biased or has intel leading to his take is up to you. I'm the latter category myself.
Also on his podcast yesterday he predicted Moore for offensive rookie of the year.
Now DJ is friends with Joe Douglass. So whether you think he's biased or has intel leading to his take is up to you. I'm the latter category myself.
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The Frankman
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Crowder's sudden appearance scares me a little on his 2021 outlook, might be a somewhat quiet year stats wise with a few pops here and there.
Corey Davis IMHO is not a great WR1 and Crowder is a slot guy I think, plenty of room for the outside WR to emerge but not as fast as I was hoping.
Crowder came right in and immediately found targets.
Corey Davis IMHO is not a great WR1 and Crowder is a slot guy I think, plenty of room for the outside WR to emerge but not as fast as I was hoping.
Crowder came right in and immediately found targets.
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sheerterror
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All the more why the lack of usage for Mims continues to baffle us. At least Keelan Cole finally made an appearance last week and showed some promise.
Owner dropped him in our dynasty league. I'll definitely be trying to pick him up, but I'll be around the middle of the waiver order. No one has commented here in a while, what are you all's feelings about him? Sure, his last game was a complete dud, but he's been getting a few targets per game on average and he was a fairly highly touted prospect.
Edit: I'm an idiot and was only looking at page one, so I thought there were no comments since March. But still the question stands: how is he looking dynasty-wise?
Edit: I'm an idiot and was only looking at page one, so I thought there were no comments since March. But still the question stands: how is he looking dynasty-wise?
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It's unfathomable to me he'd but cut in a dynasty league, I won't even cut in my redraft leagues but roster size differs, 16 vs 20 for instance and he's probably cut.
I still think he's going to be a really good but right now he's not being put in his ideal position(slot), the staff has shown no creativity with him and when Wilson drops back he seems laser focused on Corey Davis or the slot. I had high expectations for the offensive staff coming into the season but not playing Moore in the slot when Crowder was out was difficult for me to understand.
I've been picking up a few comments from Wilson and the staff that the criticism for not involving him more is being heard, they are aware of the talk. I might be guilty of wishful thinking but I've got some optimism that coming out of the bye I would not at all be surprised if they spent some time re-focusing on how to best utilize him and we see a breakout of some sorts this week.
That's what I was thinking, wanted to make sure I wasn't missing some reason that he should have been dumped. Makes sense, thanks for the detailed insight.
Kiddnets
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Elijah was obviously overhyped but remember he hasnt been healthy yet and missed the entire preseason....plus no one is going to produce if the OL doesnt pick it up and Wilson get better....bye week came at a great time for the Jets and elijah...if you can steal him from a frustrated owner go for it...
barackdhouse
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Got my first dynasty share this morning. I did like him during the rookie drafts in May but I almost exclusively went with Terrace Marshall when faced between the two.
Traded Elijah Mitchell for Elijah Moore (and Damien Williams)
Traded Elijah Mitchell for Elijah Moore (and Damien Williams)
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He was not flourishing with the rookie at QB, that concerns me a little as there doesn't seem to be natural chemistry there yet.
Last 3 weeks, rush TD, 6/64(double digit PPR) and then last night he has a breakout game in a blowout where the Jets were trailing by huge numbers almost all night long, 42-10 in the Mid 3rd Q, some of his stats were in garbage time but who cares about that right now. He looked good and he was making plays in camp, one of the more polished WRs coming out of college even if his speed does not strike fear into opponents.
Moore is going to carve out a career in the NFL, whoever the QB is won't matter much to him, he can get open and matches in tight spaces, I love this guy and am excited about his future, just don't have big games vs my Phins.
Last 2 weeks 14 targets equated into 13/151/2Tds, you gotta like what you are seeing here. Wish Miami had waited and chosen this guy in the draft.
Last 3 weeks, rush TD, 6/64(double digit PPR) and then last night he has a breakout game in a blowout where the Jets were trailing by huge numbers almost all night long, 42-10 in the Mid 3rd Q, some of his stats were in garbage time but who cares about that right now. He looked good and he was making plays in camp, one of the more polished WRs coming out of college even if his speed does not strike fear into opponents.
Moore is going to carve out a career in the NFL, whoever the QB is won't matter much to him, he can get open and matches in tight spaces, I love this guy and am excited about his future, just don't have big games vs my Phins.
Last 2 weeks 14 targets equated into 13/151/2Tds, you gotta like what you are seeing here. Wish Miami had waited and chosen this guy in the draft.
I know he's had 14 targets the last two weeks so maybe that should just be the focus but my big concern with trusting him in my lineups this year is that even without Corey Davis he's been a part time WR. His snap count in week 8 was just 36% and that did increase to a more acceptable 60% last night but again that's without Davis and that's still a bit off from what I'd consider an everydown WR.
Jet's blew it running Berrios out of the slot early in the year when Crowder was out. I don't think next season when Crowder is likely gone they'll make that same mistake and I do expect him to emerge big time next year, still a little hard to trust if I got solid options this year at least until I see solid snap count and/or targets when Davis is active.
Jet's blew it running Berrios out of the slot early in the year when Crowder was out. I don't think next season when Crowder is likely gone they'll make that same mistake and I do expect him to emerge big time next year, still a little hard to trust if I got solid options this year at least until I see solid snap count and/or targets when Davis is active.
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I don't see Crowder holding him back actually, I think he will push Davis on to another team. I see Moore down the road as something like
80/1000+/5-8TDs, he's a solid WR IMHO and I think he can continue to get better. I saw him as an OJ McDuffie type which is no insult, McDuffie was one of the better Phins WRs under Marino. But I hope he can grow into something more like Steve Smith.
Elijah post game interview
sheerterror
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I believe they made the comparison to Cooks during the game (I was high and might have made that up) but that feels like a nice respectable trajectory both professional, and fantasy...ly.
floods
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His catches last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SWa_Ac35fI
He runs good routes. He was in the window on that first deep cross for a long time before White hit him. I think what I was most impressed by was that he didn't celebrate after the second TD when they were so far behind. That's a lot of maturity that many young athletes don't have.
He runs good routes. He was in the window on that first deep cross for a long time before White hit him. I think what I was most impressed by was that he didn't celebrate after the second TD when they were so far behind. That's a lot of maturity that many young athletes don't have.
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1st catch, gotta love the way he went down the field like he was going long and then after 15 yds, 17yds, he just cuts that inside on a beautifully run route and finds himself wide open.
2nd catch, 19yd-TD, blown coverage by Rhodes but he looked great
3rd catch, not only does he score the TD but he pushes guys away from trying to celebrate with him as the team was down 42-10 when he scored....long time passed between his 2nd and 3rd catch. But man he looks good out there.
Aikman said he looks a lot like Brandin Cooks, Troy of course doesn't know what he's talking about mostly and he just prior to that comment said Moore was not big in stature but he was fast...WRONG!!! Moore is not blazing fast and in fact that's exactly why the Jets got him. He's not a burner but he has the ability to get open, it's not based on speed, he runs almsot perfect routes most of the time, it's part of his game.
Great video, thanks
Elijah Moore is sub 4.4. He's fast and knows how to get open. He looks better than Waddle, but maybe that's because of the way he's being used by LaFleur. If the Jets keep scoring points with scrub QBs, does Lafleur get consideration for Flores' job?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.stampedeblue.com/platform/amp/2021/4/29/22409449/todd-mcshay-projects-the-colts-to-select-ole-miss-wideout-elijah-moore-in-his-final-nfl-mock-draft
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I thought Moore was like a 4.6 kind of guy but I believe you. I thought the knock on him and one of the reasons he wasn't a Top 15 guy was he wasn't fast enough running a 40-50 yd dash, glad you corrected me on this.
I have him in a few leagues where we have 2-3 keepers and I see him as having a long fruitful NFL career.
floods
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I'm completely aware that this is an overly ambitious thing to say, but when I was prepping for my rookie draft I saw Elijah Moore as a faster AB. Great routes, plus speed, hands, versatility, smaller/not-ideal stature. When I'm looking at prospects I'm looking for outliers in some key areas and tend to draft talent over situation. Again, there's only one AB and he's a HOFer, but from a direct comparison Moore does have similar qualities but with more speed.
picked him up. could be an interesting guy the rest of the way.
Same. Need a warm body this week with Rondale Moore sketchy at best. Bad matchup and Davis likely back but he certainly looks the part. Crazy good team WR matchups going forward too.
rzrback77
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Interesting that you know this already.
ETA: Just a joke, sorry if it gets in the way of real info. For the record I'm optimistic about the guy.
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And Mike White is still unproven. As I stated elsewhere, if White keeps over-performing expectations LaFluer could be an NFL head coach next year.
I feel like he won't. It's easy in the nfl to come out and perform well when nobody knows who you are has no tape. That guy will fall back to earth i suspect.
Tanner9919
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after seeing LaFleur's playing calling this season, it's doubtful he'd even be back as OC next season, he's pathetic. woefully bad OC. anyone watch the Colts game? how incompetent can he be ? just give Carter the handoff 20 times/gm, minimum.good things will happen.they didn't run till the 4th quarter. this guy is an idiot OC, just a bad hire like the HC or the HC in Philly. wtf is going on in the NFL?
Mister CIA
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Let's get this party started.
