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1 hour ago, LawFitz said:

Took some thought, but I've decided on this angle...

You are Kyle Shanahan. You love Justin Fields. He is the QB you love the most. More than Lawrence and Wilson even. You gathered early that the other two would likely be taken 1, 2. You make your (very expensive) jump to 3, but you don't want to tip your hand on your immense man-crush on Fields, out of fear that maybe, just maybe the Jags/Jets start questioning their pick and looking hard again at Fields - after which, one of the two might just conclude the same thing you did months ago... That Justin Fields is the one true generational QB in this draft, lost in a cloud of QB hype for the rest of the group. So you make calculated leaks to convince the draftniks that you have a poster of Mac Jones on your ceiling.

Or maybe you are just LawFitz and you have a poster of Justin Fields on your ceiling. :)

This is a good post imo

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1 hour ago, LawFitz said:

Took some thought, but I've decided on this angle...

You are Kyle Shanahan. You love Justin Fields. He is the QB you love the most. More than Lawrence and Wilson even. You gathered early that the other two would likely be taken 1, 2. You make your (very expensive) jump to 3, but you don't want to tip your hand on your immense man-crush on Fields, out of fear that maybe, just maybe the Jags/Jets start questioning their pick and looking hard again at Fields - after which, one of the two might just conclude the same thing you did months ago... That Justin Fields is the one true generational QB in this draft, lost in a cloud of QB hype for the rest of the group. So you make calculated leaks to convince the draftniks that you have a poster of Mac Jones on your ceiling.

Or maybe you are just LawFitz and you have a poster of Justin Fields on your ceiling. :)

Very much a winner.

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The more I look at Mac the more I think he's a career backup.

Can a team turn him into a starter who guides them to a handful of playoffs?  Yes, he does seem like a safe qb who can put up 250 yards and a td or two with the right supporting cast around him.  Hell that kind of qb can even win you a superbowl if you've got an all world defense and a great scheme, which Shanny might think he has.  But you don't trade up for a game manager.

 

I absolutely love deebo Samuel and by proxy have become sort of a 9ers believer, but if they don't go with Fields they're dead to me.  You hear that Kyle? Dead to me.

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On 4/14/2021 at 10:23 AM, Faust said:

Wait - in this article Kiper is calling for Fields. 

"Mel Kiper Jr., ESPN senior NFL draft analyst:

1. Fields 2. Jones 3. Lance

"Traits, I think Fields is the most gifted," Kiper said. "On traits, you could make the argument he is as good a quarterback as there is in this draft."

 

lol wut

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Why is ESPN's Adam Schefter backpedaling on whether the 49ers are a lock to pick Mac Jones at No. 3?

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ESPN's Adam Schefter is America's best-known NFL scoops gatherer. He's been on TV for forever. He has more than eight million followers on Twitter. He is Adrian Wojnarowski and Shams Charania combined.

Thing is, in order to reach Schefter's final form — the NFL's preeminent diplomat — you have to also become an access merchant. Schefter knows all the rumors and dirt and gossip, but he doesn't break all those stories; he relays the ones that qualify as neutral and inoffensive. I'm not so sure I'd call him a reporter, which, whatever, being a reporter isn't exactly a sought-after, exclusive club. I'm just laying out the reality of the situation: NFL teams and agents are under no obligation to leak significant news to journalists anymore, and if you want to break news, you have to do it on their terms (to say nothing of the cozy relationship between ESPN and the NFL). It's an unfortunate dynamic that applies to pro sports at large, which is how you get fellow ESPN scoop gatherer Wojnarowski tweeting irrelevant nonsense so an agent few know of will continue feeding him information.

But over the last week, a peculiar thing happened: Schefter stepped outside his carefully constructed boundaries and issued... an actual proclamation. He remarked, quite definitively, that the San Francisco 49ers were going to select Alabama quarterback Mac Jones at No. 3 in the 2021 NFL Draft.

"Oh, it'll be Mac Jones," Schefter said with zero hesitation during an April 6 ESPN radio appearance. He added a teeny tiny qualifier about the Niners assessing the other quarterback prospects, before adding, "I believe that in the end they will take Mac Jones at three. That'll be the pick."

This sparked quite a bit of consternation among San Francisco fans and followers, including our very own Eric Ting, who wrote about why head coach/main decision-maker Kyle Shanahan should be canned if the 49ers really do take Jones at No. 3.

And then, like clockwork, Schefter walked back his declarative statement. From April 12, six days later:

"I think they have an open mind right now," Schefter said of Shanahan and company on the 49ers Talk podcast. "I think they like all three [first-round quarterback prospects]. Now, if you're asking me today who I would guess, I would guess Mac Jones. But we're also three weeks away from the draft. There are going to be a lot of meetings, there are going to be a lot of discussions. They're going to be attending workouts. What happens between now and then? I don't know. We'll see."

You can read that a few different ways, none of which reflect very well on Schefter. The most generous interpretation is he got more intel from the organization and now genuinely thinks they haven't made up their minds yet. The problem is he didn't provide any of that background outright. He didn't say, "I want to clarify that following conversations with front-office members, the 49ers aren't locked into Jones and I was off-base." Of course, would such a disclosure truly matter? Not really. The 49ers front office has no reason to be honest with Schefter, and Schefter isn't all that concerned with untangling the rumors he's being fed with an appropriate amount of nuance and skepticism.

The other reading of the situation is that on April 6, Schefter accidentally revealed a behind-the-scenes bit of gossip that he usually withholds, and then he tried to make amends with the 49ers afterwards because they got mad at him for blowing up their draft plans. Or maybe they didn't even get mad — maybe he took it on himself to fix a presumed annoyance before it bubbled over. All I know is that Schefter's latest quote is basically indistinguishable from what general manager John Lynch would tell the press: "We're keeping an open mind. We like all three quarterbacks. There are three weeks until the draft. There are going to be lots of discussions."

I don't want to blow Schefter's snafu out of proportion, and I'm not going to side with the 49ers fans who are viscerally upset with him, because who cares. Schefter has carried water for despicable NFL players and the league before, and those incidents are worthy of legitimate criticism. In this case, Schefter was either telling the truth and then walked it back or he was misled and then walked it back; in the end he has egg on his face but we still don't know who the 49ers are drafting at the end of April.

What I do want to illustrate is that sourcing in sports stories is often incredibly opaque. It's front office members and agents and a select group of national media members trading scoops. The arrangement requires the involved parties to submit to a code that isn't exactly on the record versus off the record. It's more, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. Let's be honest: Most of the time, you, the reader, are fine with that arrangement! Schefter feeds you the news and rumors you enjoy reading about and discussing, and sometimes, he's going to withhold information so he can stay in people's good graces and continue chasing newsworthy scoops.

In the case of Mac Jones, he appears to have slipped up. For once, he just... reacted to a question with an overly earnest reply. Within a week, he fixed his mistake, because he knows better. And now, so do you.

 

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Just now, SayWhat? said:

There’s just no way the Niners gave up that much draft capital to ensure they were getting Mac freaking Jones.  I refuse to believe it.  It’s a near automatic that the pick is Fields IMO.  

All of this exactly. They could have had Jones by dealing up to 4 with Atlanta, or even cheaper, by dealing up to 6. They might have even been able to sit there at 12 and get Mac freakin Jones. 

Fields is the pick. Lance an outside shot, but I doubt it.  They want their Mahomes and the only way that happens is by drafting a dude with the physical attributes of an elite next-gen QB. That's not Mac freakin Jones. Just thinking about it gives me Alex Smith/Aaron Rodgers PTSD, FFS. 

I think I'm gonna call him Mac freakin Jones for the rest of his career. 

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24 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Wait - in this article Kiper is calling for Fields. 

"Mel Kiper Jr., ESPN senior NFL draft analyst:

1. Fields 2. Jones 3. Lance

"Traits, I think Fields is the most gifted," Kiper said. "On traits, you could make the argument he is as good a quarterback as there is in this draft."

 

lol wut

The man has made a career out of covering all possible bases. And more power to him, I'm certainly envious, but he probably fills out 20 different NCAA brackets each March.

 

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9 minutes ago, CletiusMaximus said:

The man has made a career out of covering all possible bases. And more power to him, I'm certainly envious, but he probably fills out 20 different NCAA brackets each March.

 

lol right? 

I love that in 2 straight posts by @Faust Kiper is saying 2 different things. Unless he's actually saying Fields should be the pick, but the Niners will pick Jones, but that doesn't seem to be what he was saying. 

All I need to do is think back to his Ryan Leaf Vs Peyton Manning comments every time I hear him around the draft & I remember to never take him very seriously. 

I deeply envy his job though - just zero accountability & big paychecks for being consistently incorrect. 

Just found this gem

https://espn1420.com/ryan-leaf-reminds-mel-kiper-of-his-prediction/

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Kiper lost his fastball a long time ago.

It's really weird whenever he mentions previous situation that are similar to current ones.

He always goes back like 20 years.  The encyclopedia part of his brain got filled up then, and he has not short term memory.  He could probably tell you more about 9th rounder from 25 years ago, than a 4th rounder from 2 years ago.  

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On 4/12/2021 at 2:18 PM, LawFitz said:

Took some thought, but I've decided on this angle...

You are Kyle Shanahan. You love Justin Fields. He is the QB you love the most. More than Lawrence and Wilson even. You gathered early that the other two would likely be taken 1, 2. You make your (very expensive) jump to 3, but you don't want to tip your hand on your immense man-crush on Fields, out of fear that maybe, just maybe the Jags/Jets start questioning their pick and looking hard again at Fields - after which, one of the two might just conclude the same thing you did months ago... That Justin Fields is the one true generational QB in this draft, lost in a cloud of QB hype for the rest of the group. So you make calculated leaks to convince the draftniks that you have a poster of Mac Jones on your ceiling.

Or maybe you are just LawFitz and you have a poster of Justin Fields on your ceiling. :)

This.  The Jets picking Wilson would be really stupid. 

If the 49ers are gambling that the Jets do just that, they don't want to talk up Fields and to the point that the Jets think their way out of their mistake. 

Plus of course all the other reasons to lie vs zero reasons to tell the truth.  Like if you know a Jimmy G suitor is likely to be high on Mac Jones... 

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7 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Kiper wrote today that he sees it as 80% Jones, 15% Lance, 5% Fields in terms of who SF will pick. 

Per Kiper in the Faust-posted article above:

7 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

"Mel Kiper Jr., ESPN senior NFL draft analyst:

1. Fields 2. Jones 3. Lance

"Traits, I think Fields is the most gifted," Kiper said. "On traits, you could make the argument he is as good a quarterback as there is in this draft."

Dude is really covering all the bases. 

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11 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

 

Per Kiper in the Faust-posted article above:

Dude is really covering all the bases. 

What I posted was when he was specifically asked who SF will take. I don’t know what he was referring to in what you posted. Maybe it was how he ranked QB’s 3-5? Or who he thought were the best fits in SF? But in a mail bag he still sounds pretty convinced that the Niners moved up to take Jones and he doesn’t think that’s changed much. 

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To be honest, I never really bought the Mac Jones hype.

He's a complete side grade from Jimmy G. Why would they trade three first round picks to draft someone who basically a Jimmy G clone? That's like me spending $300 on a new processor for a slightly better benchmark.

I suppose we'll see in two weeks.

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8 minutes ago, bouji said:

To be honest, I never really bought the Mac Jones hype.

He's a complete side-grade from Jimmy G. Why would they trade three first round picks to draft someone who basically a Jimmy G clone? That's like me spending $300 on a new processor for a slightly better benchmark.

I suppose we'll see in two weeks.

Exactly!

It will be Fields.

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4/29 - 7:00 PM

2021 NFL DRAFT - 3RD PICK OVERALL

All Wagers Have Action

2021 Nfl Draft - 3rd pick Overall

Wager Cut Off: 2021 29th April 7:00 Pm

2021 NFL Draft - 3rd Pick Overall

Justin Fields -200

Zach Wilson +2500

Trey Lance +500

Mac Jones +120

Mybookie.ag figured it out finally, lol.

Smokescreen is clearing

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27 minutes ago, LawFitz said:

Zach Wilson +2500

Just added to my Fields at #2 hedge by putting a small amount on this too. Betting these two will go 2/3, regardless of which one goes in which spot. Jets might ruin Shanny's night, but now they won't ruin mine. :)

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ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports the 49ers are still undecided on what they will do with the No. 3 pick.

It wasn't long ago that Alabama's Mac Jones was locked in as the 49ers' choice. That may well be the case in San Francisco but such news hasn't reached the NFL media yet. Fowler added that many teams in the top-10 have been pleased with the virtual interviews given by Ohio State QB Justin Fields. Fields was hit with some spurious "work ethic" rumors recently but teams appear to be seeing past those claims. Fowler even added that North Dakota State QB Trey Lance will have a chance to become the No. 3 pick with a strong performance at his second Pro Day. The 49ers likely traded up to the third overall pick with a player in mind but are doing their due diligence on all possible options. Fields has moved ahead of Jones as the favorite in most betting markets. 

SOURCE: Jeremy Fowler on Twitter

Apr 18, 2021, 11:49 AM ET

 

 

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VSiN @VSiNLive

“Justin Fields is not going to go #3.”

@mlombardiNFL asks you to put your sources up against his because he is here to confirm to you, @TheWrapRadio, and everyone else that Justin Fields is NOT going to be the 3rd overall pick. 

#LombardiLine

https://twitter.com/vsinlive/status/1383516297175044096?s=21
 

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SF won't use their third pick in the draft on Justin Fields: 'If it's not Mac Jones, it's Trey Lance' 🎥 (The Athletic)

 

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All the chatter is silly.  The 49ers know who they are taking.  They have a top 3, in order 

I find it astonishing that after so many years of the same ol same ol with the media that anyone could believe the 49ers really dont know who they will pick.

Sure, WE AS FANS dont know for sure who they will pick, but to think the team is still debating is silly

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Football Morning in America's Peter King believes that Alabama QB Mac Jones is the frontrunner to be chosen by the San Francisco 49ers with the No. 3 pick.

"I think [49ers HC Kyle] Shanahan will value accuracy and presence over athleticism and prefer Jones, but that’s not inside info—just my gut feeling," King writes. After a flood of rumors linking San Francisco with the title-winning Jones following their trade up with the Dolphins to No. 3 earlier this spring, matters have calmed somewhat, with a few mock drafts opening things up by pegging either Justin Fields or Trey Lance to the 49ers. Mock drafts are far from a perfect indicator of trends, but keep in mind that many evaluators base their mocks on what they're hearing around the league.  

SOURCE: Football Morning in America

Apr 19, 2021, 1:01 PM ET

 

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19 hours ago, ghostguy123 said:

All the chatter is silly.  The 49ers know who they are taking.  They have a top 3, in order 

I find it astonishing that after so many years of the same ol same ol with the media that anyone could believe the 49ers really dont know who they will pick.

Sure, WE AS FANS dont know for sure who they will pick, but to think the team is still debating is silly

Who do you honestly think they will take?  Who do you want them to take?

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1 minute ago, Dr. Octopus said:

He's a Browns fan.

Ok, but I took his statement "Sure, WE AS FANS dont know for sure who they will pick," as an indicator he was a 49'ers fan.  Sorry, I didn't know he was a Browns fan.

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1 hour ago, JohnnyU said:

Ok, but I took his statement "Sure, WE AS FANS dont know for sure who they will pick," as an indicator he was a 49'ers fan.  Sorry, I didn't know he was a Browns fan.

Nobody knows who the 49ers are going to pick outside of the 49ers organization.

The 49ers organization knows who they are picking.

The idea that they arent sure is preposterous.

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