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41 minutes ago, massraider said:

Even if you can't get what the Dolphins got,

 

Are you following along Phinsfans? Because this sure sounds like anointing oils for the Front Office or those who create draft capital even if they can't make the right picks when they get in range. 

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I'm going to say right here right now they will pick Lance over Fields.

Very much a winner.

This is why FBG pays me zero dollars for sharing my NFL acumen.

8 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

I've been waiting for those that think Top-5 on a TE is bazonkers but few have tried to argue this. I think Pitts has tremendous upside but like most TEs it's hard to imagine him coming in a taking the league by storm. 

You gotta stop thinking about him like a traditional tight end, and more like Calvin Johnson, but if Calvin Johnson could get a linebacker or a poor coverage safety stuck trying to defend him. 

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2 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Here is his post:

I'm not sure his opinion is worth more than yours - but if you disagree with the above in this case at least I value his more.

Here is a list of all the TE drafted in the Top 32 picks of the draft. For each player, I used their CareerAV total and compared it to the entirety of their draft class. For example, TJ Hockenson was drafted 8th overall. But among the 2019 Draft Class, he ranks 48th in CareerAV.

Player			Year	Pick	AV
TJ Hockenson		2019	8	48
Noah Fant		2019	20	55
Hayden Hurst		2018	25	66
OJ Howard		2017	19	85
Evan Engram		2017	23	55
David Njoku		2017	29	102
Eric Ebron		2014	10	56
Tyler Eifert		2013	21	71
Jermaine Gresham	2010	21	63
Brandon Pettigrew	2009	20	72
Dustin Keller		2008	30	76
Greg Olsen		2007	31	17
Vernon Davis		2006	6	33
Marcedes Lewis		2006	28	61
Heath Miller		2005	30	31
Kellen Winslow		2004	6	39
Ben Watson		2004	32	33
Dallas Clark		2003	24	25
Jeremy Shockey		2002	14	24
Daniel Graham		2002	21	85
Jerramy Stevens		2002	28	86
Todd Heap		2001	31	38
Bubba Franks		2000	14	86
Anthony Becht		2000	27	105
Tony Gonzalez		1997	13	6
David LaFleur		1997	22	105
Rickey Dudley		1996	9	63
Kyle Brady		1995	9	64
Mark Bruener		1995	27	101
Irv Smith		1993	20	103
Derek Brown		1992	14	128
Johnny Mitchell		1992	15	84
Reggie Johnson		1991	30	114
Eric Green		1990	21	53
Keith Jackson		1988	13	46

That's 35 players. Of those, only Greg Olsen and Tony Gonzalez scored higher than their draft position (although several were very close). Only 4 players earned first round production grades. 16 players produced at a 3rd round level or worse.

Overall, the average draft position was Pick 20 . . . while the average ROI was as Player 65.

Based on that, IMO, TE do not make for worthwhile first round picks. If folks want to say that CareerAV is a dumb statistic and / or it does not treat TE fairly, that's a different debate.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Capella said:

You gotta stop thinking about him like a traditional tight end, and more like Calvin Johnson, but if Calvin Johnson could get a linebacker or a poor coverage safety stuck trying to defend him. 

That's pretty good, i didn't know you felt that way about him. Is he that good? 

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20 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Here is a list of all the TE drafted in the Top 32 picks of the draft. For each player, I used their CareerAV total and compared it to the entirety of their draft class. For example, TJ Hockenson was drafted 8th overall. But among the 2019 Draft Class, he ranks 48th in CareerAV.


Player			Year	Pick	AV
TJ Hockenson		2019	8	48
Noah Fant		2019	20	55
Hayden Hurst		2018	25	66
OJ Howard		2017	19	85
Evan Engram		2017	23	55
David Njoku		2017	29	102
Eric Ebron		2014	10	56
Tyler Eifert		2013	21	71
Jermaine Gresham	2010	21	63
Brandon Pettigrew	2009	20	72
Dustin Keller		2008	30	76
Greg Olsen		2007	31	17
Vernon Davis		2006	6	33
Marcedes Lewis		2006	28	61
Heath Miller		2005	30	31
Kellen Winslow		2004	6	39
Ben Watson		2004	32	33
Dallas Clark		2003	24	25
Jeremy Shockey		2002	14	24
Daniel Graham		2002	21	85
Jerramy Stevens		2002	28	86
Todd Heap		2001	31	38
Bubba Franks		2000	14	86
Anthony Becht		2000	27	105
Tony Gonzalez		1997	13	6
David LaFleur		1997	22	105
Rickey Dudley		1996	9	63
Kyle Brady		1995	9	64
Mark Bruener		1995	27	101
Irv Smith		1993	20	103
Derek Brown		1992	14	128
Johnny Mitchell		1992	15	84
Reggie Johnson		1991	30	114
Eric Green		1990	21	53
Keith Jackson		1988	13	46

That's 35 players. Of those, only Greg Olsen and Tony Gonzalez scored higher than their draft position (although several were very close). Only 4 players earned first round production grades. 16 players produced at a 3rd round level or worse.

Overall, the average draft position was Pick 20 . . . while the average ROI was as Player 65.

Based on that, IMO, TE do not make for worthwhile first round picks. If folks want to say that CareerAV is a dumb statistic and / or it does not treat TE fairly, that's a different debate.

 

 

Is there a perennial Playoff team anywhere in that bunch going back over the last 10-20 years? Just seems like majority of the teams that drafted a TE in the 1st were not that good to begin with or their track record not that good. 

I'm simply saying it will be hard to find anyone of Pitts caliber and then you factor in mostly poor franchises that drafted most of these top TE prospects, hard to gauge. 

I am not a huge fan of going Pitts that high in the draft but others feel like he is Shannon Sharpe in the making. 

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1 minute ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Is there a perennial Playoff team anywhere in that bunch going back over the last 10-20 years? Just seems like majority of the teams that drafted a TE in the 1st were not that good to begin with or their track record not that good. 

I'm simply saying it will be hard to find anyone of Pitts caliber and then you factor in mostly poor franchises that drafted most of these top TE prospects, hard to gauge. 

I am not a huge fan of going Pitts that high in the draft but others feel like he is Shannon Sharpe in the making. 

I think Pitts is a good player but the hype is getting a little too rich for my blood. Clearly every player is his own entity and how any previous player ever did does not impact how the guy will perform. I'd be more onboard with him as a mid- to late- first round pick, as Top 5 picks should be cornerstone 10 year players. The value in taking a TE at that point isn't there (at least to me). The last TE rated as high as Pitts was Kyle Rudolph . . . would anyone consider Rudolph as a can't miss, dominant TE? 

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16 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

That's pretty good, i didn't know you felt that way about him. Is he that good? 

I think he’s one of the best receiving prospects to come into the league in the last 15 years. I truly hope Atlanta takes the 4th best QB and passes on him. 

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Just now, Anarchy99 said:

I think Pitts is a good player but the hype is getting a little too rich for my blood. Clearly every player is his own entity and how any previous player ever did does not impact how the guy will perform. I'd be more onboard with him as a mid- to late- first round pick, as Top 5 picks should be cornerstone 10 year players. The value in taking a TE at that point isn't there (at least to me). The last TE rated as high as Pitts was Kyle Rudolph . . . would anyone consider Rudolph as a can't miss, dominant TE? 

Would you consider Kelce and prime Gronk worthy of top-5 picks? Of course you would (or should, I guess). Pitts has the potential to be in that class. 

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2 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

I've been waiting for those that think Top-5 on a TE is bazonkers but few have tried to argue this. I think Pitts has tremendous upside but like most TEs it's hard to imagine him coming in a taking the league by storm. 

Count me among those who think like you do about Pitts, but has an open mind. I don't think history has been kind to the notion of a draft-and-play TE that creates immediate mismatches, but there's one thing that gives me pause: It's a copycat league, you always hear. And teams have seen how the Raiders use Darren Waller -- and how they used him in his very first year as someone getting playing time for his first time -- to create mismatches on linebackers and even defensive backs. That's why Pitts's performance against top-flight corners in the SEC when they lined him up in the slot or out wide was so important. He was stone cold beating the best corners in the country. 

What does that mean for the NFL? Well, extrapolate that a little bit and note that he'll be lining up against linebackers and bigger safeties. I really don't know how this will work, but at some point you either trust every evaluator and their judgments, or you think they've all been subject to a huge groupthink error. 

I have no idea which it is, but I'm leaning with the certitude of guys who do this every day and every night. I haven't heard one that isn't sold on this guy, provided the lucky team uses him correctly (a big thing). Like Capella said, leave him into block every so often so there's a token resemblance of a true TE and not just a pass catcher and he'll be fine. I think. I'd still likely avoid picking him that high, but evaluators seem to be convinced. 

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1 minute ago, Anarchy99 said:

I think Pitts is a good player but the hype is getting a little too rich for my blood. Clearly every player is his own entity and how any previous player ever did does not impact how the guy will perform. I'd be more onboard with him as a mid- to late- first round pick, as Top 5 picks should be cornerstone 10 year players. The value in taking a TE at that point isn't there (at least to me). The last TE rated as high as Pitts was Kyle Rudolph . . . would anyone consider Rudolph as a can't miss, dominant TE? 

And just to show how folks can argue both sides, I completely agree with you and think your facts back up the point that Pitts is way overhyped and I would ask you, which of the hyped Top-10 which mostly are 5 QBs, 3 WRs, a TE and maybe 1-2 OTs, which ones are worth the selection? I think it is apparent the value will be on defense when they start being called off the board. Surtain is a Top-5 DB IMHO, whoever gets him has a 10 year type player. 2-3 of these QBs if not more are going to fizzle. Maybe 1 or 2 of these 3-4 WRs/TE will catch on but not all of them. 

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1 minute ago, Capella said:

Would you consider Kelce and prime Gronk worthy of top-5 picks? Of course you would (or should, I guess). Pitts has the potential to be in that class. 

I can’t get on the pitts train without knowing who the coaches will be. We’ve seen te after te be touted as the next tony G only to have them blocking because of a weak Oline or suffering from poor qb play or simply a poor scheme for tes. The offense rarely goes through that position.

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5 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

I can’t get on the pitts train without knowing who the coaches will be. We’ve seen te after te be touted as the next tony G only to have them blocking because of a weak Oline or suffering from poor qb play or simply a poor scheme for tes. The offense rarely goes through that position.

Well that’s independent of his talent and potential, but yes. 
 

I assume if he goes to Atlanta they’re gonna be chucking that ball around. 

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7 minutes ago, Capella said:

I think he’s one of the best receiving prospects to come into the league in the last 15 years. I truly hope Atlanta takes the 4th best QB and passes on him. 

 

5 minutes ago, woodstock said:

Count me among those who think like you do about Pitts, but has an open mind. I don't think history has been kind to the notion of a draft-and-play TE that creates immediate mismatches, but there's one thing that gives me pause: It's a copycat league, you always hear. And teams have seen how the Raiders use Darren Waller -- and how they used him in his very first year as someone getting any playing time -- to create mismatches on linebackers and even defensive backs. That's why Pitts's performance against top-flight corners in the SEC when they lined him up in the slot or out wide was so important. He was stone cold beating the best corners in the country. 

What does that mean for the NFL? Well, extrapolate that a little bit and note that he'll be lining up against linebackers and bigger safeties. I really don't know how this will work, but at some point you either trust every evaluator and their judgments, or you think they've all been subject to a huge groupthink error. 

I have no idea which it is, but I'm leaning with the certitude of guys who do this every day and every night. I haven't heard one that isn't sold on this guy, provided the lucky team uses him correctly (a big thing). Like Capella said, leave him into block every so often so there's a token resemblance of a true TE and not just a pass catcher and he'll be fine. I think. I'd still likely avoid picking him that high, but evaluators seem to be convinced. 

Good stuff both of you, and if that's the case, I would be trading FOR OJ Howard as an example vs spending Top 5 on Pitts. Howard has to be available and I don't know what Capella think about him(bum) but I actually like what I have seen in spurts and feel like Winston held him back, then Arians not the right coach and I know the excuses pile up but whatever it would cost which couldn't be a 1st or 2nd, something reasonable, I would go get him. Howard was one of the best looking TE prospects I felt like I had seen coming out of college including many Univ of Miami guys I had seen in the flesh over the many years and I was sold on Howard, was delighted the Bucs took him, it just hasn't quite worked. 

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1 minute ago, Capella said:

Would you consider Kelce and prime Gronk worthy of top-5 picks? Of course you would (or should, I guess). Pitts has the potential to be in that class. 

Therein lies the rub. The best TE's in the past 10 years haven't been Top 5 or even first round picks.

Gates - UDFA
Witten - Pick 69
Gronk - Pick 42
Kittle - Pick 146
Kelce - Pick 63
Graham - Pick 95
Ertz - Pick 35

They've performed significantly better than 90%+ of the first round guys. So sure, if you can promise me that talent evaluators have refined their craft and they can identify beast tight ends better (which so far they haven't), then sure if a team is 80% sure the next big thing at TE will pan out then take him. For me, I am not sold that Pitts will be all that, but maybe that's just me.

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8 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Therein lies the rub. The best TE's in the past 10 years haven't been Top 5 or even first round picks.

Gates - UDFA
Witten - Pick 69
Gronk - Pick 42
Kittle - Pick 146
Kelce - Pick 63
Graham - Pick 95
Ertz - Pick 35

They've performed significantly better than 90%+ of the first round guys. So sure, if you can promise me that talent evaluators have refined their craft and they can identify beast tight ends better (which so far they haven't), then sure if a team is 80% sure the next big thing at TE will pan out then take him. For me, I am not sold that Pitts will be all that, but maybe that's just me.

I thought Shockey was about as can't miss as they come. 

-He did make it to 4 Pro Bowls, was an All Pro and also collected 2 Super Bowl rings with both the Giants and the Saints. 

Shockey was taken 14th overall but was also in an elite Hurricanes class, several of his buddies drafted same round that year including HoF Ed Reed who went 10 picks later to the Ravens. 

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10 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

And just to show how folks can argue both sides, I completely agree with you and think your facts back up the point that Pitts is way overhyped and I would ask you, which of the hyped Top-10 which mostly are 5 QBs, 3 WRs, a TE and maybe 1-2 OTs, which ones are worth the selection? I think it is apparent the value will be on defense when they start being called off the board. Surtain is a Top-5 DB IMHO, whoever gets him has a 10 year type player. 2-3 of these QBs if not more are going to fizzle. Maybe 1 or 2 of these 3-4 WRs/TE will catch on but not all of them. 

This is a bit too hard to answer as each team should be drafting what is best for their team. For example, we have been discussing ATL, and their problem has been defense. Yet they have been linked to QB / TE / WR in the draft . . . which they already have covered. In their case I would take Surtain.

The other consideration (which I started a thread on) was evaluating how many prospects there are at a given position. There are A TON of WR available this year. As in probably enough that every team could draft and roster one. So if I were a GM, I would be inclined to not draft a Big 3 wide out because there are multiple options available in basically every round.

There are so many people lining up to take offensive players this year that I might be inclined to consider defensive players. But this year, if there are as many teams looking to trade up as has been reported, I would probably move back and pick up more picks.

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15 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Therein lies the rub. The best TE's in the past 10 years haven't been Top 5 or even first round picks.

Gates - UDFA
Witten - Pick 69
Gronk - Pick 42
Kittle - Pick 146
Kelce - Pick 63
Graham - Pick 95
Ertz - Pick 35

They've performed significantly better than 90%+ of the first round guys. So sure, if you can promise me that talent evaluators have refined their craft and they can identify beast tight ends better (which so far they haven't), then sure if a team is 80% sure the next big thing at TE will pan out then take him. For me, I am not sold that Pitts will be all that, but maybe that's just me.

I don’t think this has anything to do with evaluating the prospect at all. Scouts miss all the time. Doesn’t mean they stop scouting. 

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3 minutes ago, Faust said:

They cited Chris Simms' mock draft with Fields at 32 in that article, for those that didn't click. That's a lousy thing to see, because it reaffirms that that sort of look-at-me media tactic gets rewarded with somebody putting it into print in a serious article. 

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2 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

I thought Shockey was about as can't miss as they come. 

-He did make it to 4 Pro Bowls, was an All Pro and also collected 2 Super Bowl rings with both the Giants and the Saints. 

Shockey was taken 14th overall but was also in an elite Hurricanes class, several of his buddies drafted same round that year including HoF Ed Reed who went 10 picks later to the Ravens. 

TE is one of those hard to define positions in terms of what is considered really good. Shockey only had 2 seasons with 700 receiving yards and had a max of 7 TD. At the time I agree that he was considered can't miss and he did not disappoint as a rookie . . . but that turned out to be his career high in receiving yards. He was always good, but I don't think he quite reached the level that many people thought he would.

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39 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Here is a list of all the TE drafted in the Top 32 picks of the draft. For each player, I used their CareerAV total and compared it to the entirety of their draft class. For example, TJ Hockenson was drafted 8th overall. But among the 2019 Draft Class, he ranks 48th in CareerAV.


Player			Year	Pick	AV
TJ Hockenson		2019	8	48
Noah Fant		2019	20	55
Hayden Hurst		2018	25	66
OJ Howard		2017	19	85
Evan Engram		2017	23	55
David Njoku		2017	29	102
Eric Ebron		2014	10	56
Tyler Eifert		2013	21	71
Jermaine Gresham	2010	21	63
Brandon Pettigrew	2009	20	72
Dustin Keller		2008	30	76
Greg Olsen		2007	31	17
Vernon Davis		2006	6	33
Marcedes Lewis		2006	28	61
Heath Miller		2005	30	31
Kellen Winslow		2004	6	39
Ben Watson		2004	32	33
Dallas Clark		2003	24	25
Jeremy Shockey		2002	14	24
Daniel Graham		2002	21	85
Jerramy Stevens		2002	28	86
Todd Heap		2001	31	38
Bubba Franks		2000	14	86
Anthony Becht		2000	27	105
Tony Gonzalez		1997	13	6
David LaFleur		1997	22	105
Rickey Dudley		1996	9	63
Kyle Brady		1995	9	64
Mark Bruener		1995	27	101
Irv Smith		1993	20	103
Derek Brown		1992	14	128
Johnny Mitchell		1992	15	84
Reggie Johnson		1991	30	114
Eric Green		1990	21	53
Keith Jackson		1988	13	46

That's 35 players. Of those, only Greg Olsen and Tony Gonzalez scored higher than their draft position (although several were very close). Only 4 players earned first round production grades. 16 players produced at a 3rd round level or worse.

Overall, the average draft position was Pick 20 . . . while the average ROI was as Player 65.

Based on that, IMO, TE do not make for worthwhile first round picks. If folks want to say that CareerAV is a dumb statistic and / or it does not treat TE fairly, that's a different debate.

Rank within your draft class isn't a good way to do this comparison, because of regression to the mean. If you did this same analysis for any other position you'd find similar results, at least directionally.

Let's see... looking at the entire 2005 draft class

Of the 32 players, only 7 scored higher than their draft position. 14 earned first round production grades. Overall, the average draft position was Pick 16.5, while the average ROI was as Player 51.

So they did better than the 1st round TEs, but worse than (what looks like) par.

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Just now, ZWK said:

Rank within your draft class isn't a good way to do this comparison, because of regression to the mean. If you did this same analysis for any other position you'd find similar results, at least directionally.

Let's see... looking at the entire 2005 draft class

Of the 32 players, only 7 scored higher than their draft position. 14 earned first round production grades. Overall, the average draft position was Pick 16.5, while the average ROI was as Player 51.

So they did better than the 1st round TEs, but worse than (what looks like) par.

Not sure why comparing the entirety of a draft class is not useful. A better analysis would be to extend things to look at productivity of first round draft picks at all positions and then compare the data among the different positions.

So while what you say is true (overall all the entire grouping of first round picks on average won't end up with first round production). But the odds are good that there will be a varied range of production based on individual positions.

Using your example, the average for all positions in your one year was ROI of Player 51. I just showed the average return on all first round TE across 32 drafts was a ROI of Player 65. In a vacuum as an isolated data point that doesn't mean much, but a broader study over 20 years would probably show that some positions are far better investments than others.

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20 minutes ago, woodstock said:

They cited Chris Simms' mock draft with Fields at 32 in that article, for those that didn't click. That's a lousy thing to see, because it reaffirms that that sort of look-at-me media tactic gets rewarded with somebody putting it into print in a serious article. 

Eh, I thought Lamar Jax was the best QB of that class and was worthy of top 3-5 pick consideration, at least. Then sat there shocked as the entire 1st round nearly passed without him getting picked. Kept thinking to myself, well if the entire league disagrees with my assessment, I must be wrong. Nope.

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9 minutes ago, LawFitz said:

Eh, I thought Lamar Jax was the best QB of that class and was worthy of top 3-5 pick consideration, at least. Then sat there shocked as the entire 1st round nearly passed without him getting picked. Kept thinking to myself, well if the entire league disagrees with my assessment, I must be wrong. Nope.

I get your point about the disbelief over a guy dropping in the actual draft, but I was more criticizing the mock draft than I was the evaluators of talent. If you were to place a prop bet right now on Fields going at 32, you'd probably get remarkably good odds. It's a far-fetched scenario. I know the goal of a mock, like everything else in predictive modeling, is to beat consensus and be right, but we're talking about a precipitous drop that nobody really foresees. Simms was doing it for attention and got rewarded with a cite. That's my beef. It's really no big deal, just an aside for anybody who didn't click the link. 

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Just now, LawFitz said:

Eh, I thought Lamar Jax was the best QB of that class and was worthy of top 3-5 pick consideration, at least. Then sat there shocked as the entire 1st round nearly passed without him getting picked. Kept thinking to myself, well if the entire league disagrees with my assessment, I must be wrong. Nope.

Simms assessment of 2018 QBs was very good. 1.) Lamar Jackson, 2.) Josh Allen, 3.) Baker Mayfield, 4.) Sam Darnold, 5.) Josh Rosen

He must really not like Fields to have him at #5 behind Mond and ahead of Lance. Simms calls Fields raw, says he panics and doesn't throw short passes well. Suitors for Fields include CAR,  NE, WFT and the Bears.

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21 minutes ago, SoBeDad said:

Simms assessment of 2018 QBs was very good. 1.) Lamar Jackson, 2.) Josh Allen, 3.) Baker Mayfield, 4.) Sam Darnold, 5.) Josh Rosen

He must really not like Fields to have him at #5 behind Mond and ahead of Lance. Simms calls Fields raw, says he panics and doesn't throw short passes well. Suitors for Fields include CAR,  NE, WFT and the Bears.

If Fields falls into the laps of say Wash or Chicago at 19/20, this will be one of the biggest drops for a QB I've seen in some time, maybe going back when Rodgers fell and finally landed in Green Bay who were doing fine with Favre at the time. 

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13 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

This is a bit too hard to answer as each team should be drafting what is best for their team. For example, we have been discussing ATL, and their problem has been defense. Yet they have been linked to QB / TE / WR in the draft . . . which they already have covered. In their case I would take Surtain.

The other consideration (which I started a thread on) was evaluating how many prospects there are at a given position. There are A TON of WR available this year. As in probably enough that every team could draft and roster one. So if I were a GM, I would be inclined to not draft a Big 3 wide out because there are multiple options available in basically every round.

There are so many people lining up to take offensive players this year that I might be inclined to consider defensive players. But this year, if there are as many teams looking to trade up as has been reported, I would probably move back and pick up more picks.

You act like Atlanta is only getting one pick in this draft.

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I'm not familiar with Bill Michaels (or Paul Allen), but they tweeted the following . . .

The 49ers have offered the Packers the 3rd overall pick in this year's draft, plus other picks and a number of players from their current roster including Garoppolo for Aaron Rodgers. The Packers turned them down. First reported by @PAOnTheMic and confirmed by others.

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Maybe the Niners really don't know what they will do tonight.

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3 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

I'm not familiar with Bill Michaels (or Paul Allen), but they tweeted the following . . .

The 49ers have offered the Packers the 3rd overall pick in this year's draft, plus other picks and a number of players from their current roster including Garoppolo for Aaron Rodgers. The Packers turned them down. First reported by @PAOnTheMic and confirmed by others.

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Maybe the Niners really don't know what they will do tonight.

I literally just heard this on the radio & they scoffed at any serious talk about Aaron Rodgers but they’re doing due diligence. Apparently they called about Watson too, and please god no. 

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8 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:


The 49ers have offered the Packers the 3rd overall pick in this year's draft, plus other picks and a number of players from their current roster including Garoppolo for Aaron Rodgers. The Packers turned them down. First reported by @PAOnTheMic and confirmed by others.

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that sounds like a fantasy football trade.

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14 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I literally just heard this on the radio & they scoffed at any serious talk about Aaron Rodgers but they’re doing due diligence. Apparently they called about Watson too, and please god no. 

I'm guessing it's fake, but not sure of course. 

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8 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I'm guessing it's fake, but not sure of course. 

I think the 49ers would be NFC favorites in a hurry if it happened.

but it won’t happen. 

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33 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

I'm not familiar with Bill Michaels (or Paul Allen), but they tweeted the following . . .

The 49ers have offered the Packers the 3rd overall pick in this year's draft, plus other picks and a number of players from their current roster including Garoppolo for Aaron Rodgers. The Packers turned them down. First reported by @PAOnTheMic and confirmed by others.

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Maybe the Niners really don't know what they will do tonight.

:shock:

Wow, just wow! We are in a new era of the NFL. 

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1 minute ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Yes - DFKNG has Lance at -150 now and Jones at + 125 

I’m still hoping it’s Fields. Or that the Jets take Fields and let the Niners have Wilson. 

Jets fans would lose their collective minds. 

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10 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Yes - DFKNG has Lance at -150 now and Jones at + 125 

Because it’s more than likely who they traded up for the whole time. 

From the minute the trade news broke, i was skeptical that it was Jones.

like you said about passing on a generational talent at TE, I similarly don’t believe you trade all that draft equity to take a QB with a low ceiling just because he’s the most NFL-ready now. 

Like buying the sensible minivan because it’s in good shape instead of the Ferrari that might need a few months in the shop. 

Also, side note, Jed York popped up on Twitter today saying “hi all, just here to make friends on social media”

which I have a hard time believing he’d do if a hugely unpopular pick was coming. Like, why would York pop up just to get butchered for taking Jones? Doesn’t add up. 
 

ETA: here’s the tweet

https://twitter.com/jedyork/status/1387821966581657603?s=21

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6 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I’m still hoping it’s Fields. Or that the Jets take Fields and let the Niners have Wilson. 

Jets fans would lose their collective minds. 

Half would. Half want Fields. Although with Jets fans, half would be pissed if somehow Lawrence fell to them and the Jets took him.

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Just now, Dr. Octopus said:

Half would. Half want Fields. Although with Jets fans, half would be pissed if somehow Lawrence fell to them and the Jets took him.

Good point. lol

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1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

I'm not familiar with Bill Michaels (or Paul Allen), but they tweeted the following . . .

The 49ers have offered the Packers the 3rd overall pick in this year's draft, plus other picks and a number of players from their current roster including Garoppolo for Aaron Rodgers. The Packers turned them down. First reported by @PAOnTheMic and confirmed by others.

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Maybe the Niners really don't know what they will do tonight.

Wont happen but my god what an amazing trade that would be. 

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1 hour ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I'm guessing it's fake, but not sure of course. 

Maybe I was wrong because ESPN is now reporting that Rodgers is demanding to be traded.

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Maybe I was wrong because ESPN is now reporting that Rodgers is demanding to be traded.

Per Schefter . . .

Reigning MVP Aaron Rodgers is so disgruntled with the Green Bay Packers that he has told some within the organization that he does not want to return to the team, league and team sources told ESPN on Thursday.

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10 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Maybe I was wrong because ESPN is now reporting that Rodgers is demanding to be traded.

Maybe he can follow in Favre's footsteps and head to NY?

ETA: Actually that probably makes more sense than SF for Rodgers. Bigger media hub, and the Jets can offer a lot more than SF can. Not sure if the presence of LaFleur's brother would be an issue though. Rodgers issue seems to be more with the front office than LaFleur.

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