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Whatever time I spend researching this topic would pale in comparison to the dedication of my selected medical professional. And frankly, its an insult to the medical community to believe my few hours on social media and youtube could override their advice.
HCQ is a Zinc ionphore, meaning it helps extra-cellular Zinc get absorbed into the cell membrane, which has been long known to dramatically slow the rate of viral replication within cells. It's been regularly used in this country since the 1950s to treat lupis and arthritis.
I would advise always vetting opinions, no matter the source, when it comes to major life matters such as your family's health. And just b/c I disagree with my doctor or lawyer about one subject doesn't completely invalidate their overall professional standing. Fundamentally knowing that nobody is 100% right about everything - on critical game-changing matters, I will always seek and consider alternative opinions, without necessarily firing my primary sources if I end up disagreeing with them.
Another ad hominem. This thread is supposed to be civil.
When it comes to matters of my family's health, there's no one else I would trust besides a doctor.
I'll post this vid for a third time. I suggest you watch. He's one of many, many doctors that you can readily find online saying the same thing... Covid is treatable. Covid is low-risk for most peeps. Vaccines aren't the only solution to the problem.
Lol at calling a vaccine an experimentation while pushing hydroxychloroquine with YouTube doctor videos.
I can find it lots of things, but laugh worthy (as in funny) is not one of them. Maybe laughing as a defense mechanism over the alternatives. But if you just spent a bit of time doing your own research...
That's twice now that you respond in a hostile manner. Do you have anything constructive to add or should I just expect vitriol and strawmen?
Well as a pharmacist, I trained for several years and now have nearly a decade of experience. I have dispensed hundreds of scripts for hydroxychloroquine over that time and am well aware of the conditions it can treat and the precautions that need to be taken while using the medication. During the pandemic, I paid close attention to all the studies that were done focusing on Hydroxychloroquine and I watched the Youtube videos as well as the analysis of those videos that review the claims. I am not going to watch your video. I doubt anything in it is different that what I’ve already seen.
The randomized studies showing that hydroxychloroquine was ineffective and it has well know and proven side ffects that can cause death. Honestly, it is sad that this drug is still being talked about out there as a remedy when it has proven in fact otherwise. You can show up with as many youtube videos as you want but it won't change the fact that it doesn't work.
Thx, Biff.
Why do you believe there is so little talk about this HCQ and Zinc supplement treatment?
Combo of lingering Trump hate and big pharma profiteering IMHO.
I do understand some people's resistance to taking the vaccine, but what do you think the consequence of no one taking the vaccine would be? Do you think things would slowly open back up or do you think the hospitals would get overrun with Covid cases?
I had seen some what to me looked to be dubious links talking about these treatments. Dubious might not be the best word, perhaps overly hopeful / wish casting type articles, that were dense and not for the lay person (me).
Stop thinking in terms of a grand conspiracy and more along the lines of an unstable system of interconnected perversions. Think about how the mortgage crisis developed then boiled over from the early to late 2000s. It wasn't one overreaching hand manipulating all of it but rather a number of soiled fingers working interconnectedly to dirty the honey pot.
I never suggested no one take the vaccine. I think people who are at high risk of severe covid and/or of their own free will to choose to take the vaccine should.
I can't separate the bolded.
I've heard this theory before. Here's the part I don't get: Let's say you're a doctor in Thailand or South Africa or Uruguay. Chances are you probably don't know or care that much about US politics, certainly not to the point where it would impact your treatment decisions. In addition, you might not have access to a lot of the expensive treatments available in the West so you're heavily incentivized to use cheaper alternatives like HCQ. So what's your explanation for why usage of those treatments is no higher in those countries -- and outcomes are no better -- than in the US?
Interwebs are full of anecdotal reporting of widespread use of HCQ, ivermectin and other cheaply available treatments in many countries across the globe, particularly highly-populated India and Brazil, to great effect according to the administering doctors.
Fantastic. By all means, get the vax then. I have no issues with you doing that whatsoever, and truly wish you and everyone else the best of luck.
I think you should get vaccinated to protect yourself and the rest of your community. I think it's the decent, humane, and ethical thing to do. I think not doing so undermines the fabric of our collective absent a clear health or religious reason. For the general population, I believe most of the reasons cited are faulty.
Look up thread and elsewhere online. People are calling for citizens to be denied driver's licenses, employment, and public schooling without vaccine passports. It's surreal and dystopian.
If everyone else in my community has the ability to get freely vaccinated (they do), then your argument doesn't hold water. I think it's unethical for your side to pressure me into something involving my personal health that I don't feel comfortable doing. The fabric of our collective was formed on free will and personal choice and if your side wants to stop playing fantasy football with me over this issue, so be it.
I think you also need to take into account that there is not an insignificant amount of folks in your community who literally can’t take the vaccine or have health conditions where the vaccine doesn’t work. I know of several. They are scared, depressed. Imagine having to depend upon the kindness of people in your community and all you read are myopic views. It sucks.
I feel for them. I do. But I have to weigh those feelings against my fatherly duty to protect my wife and two very young children to the best of my ability and judgment.
I know people that are taking Ivomec for Covid, a product used to worm livestock. Like the FDA approved that. A guy I know talked his friend into taking that instead of the vaccine.
If I own a plumbing company that does a lot of contract work for hospitals and old age homes. And one of the requirement from these work sites is that all outside labor needs to be vaccinated. Do you not believe that the owner of the plumbing company has no right to hire with vaccinations as a qualifier?
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You should have the right to not get vaccinated.
My co-worker (pharmacist) is a big believer in the alternative treatments. He also has likely been referring patients to his personal doctor to get these prescriptions which is somewhere between breaking company policy and illegal.
This doesn't prove Ivermectin to be a Covid cure, but it most certainly contradicts and exposes your biased characterization above...
Maybe Ivermectin works as a Covid therapy, maybe it doesn't. But it most certainly has a #### ton more history of long-term human use than these Covid vaxxes. Plenty of compelling rationalization to explore long-proven safe alternatives to these new and radical biotechnologies.
Until they are proven safe in the long-term, I think it's a highly debatable concept.
And how do enforce such a thing... Strap me down and stick me with your needle? Take away my right to work and live in your society (essentially the same thing in function if not form)? Where do you draw your line?
Disappointing that you would encourage/validate his characterization of Ivermectin with this response. See my response above. Maybe IVM doesn't work for Covid, despite hundreds, perhaps thousands of real-world doctors claiming it does. Regardless, that post revealed tremendous bias and served zero useful purpose.
Almost 4 billion doses of COVID vaccines have been administered, while 200 million have been diagnosed with covid. Why are you confident in one data set, but not the other?supermike80 said:
Why waste all that time in med school/residency/fellowship etc. when a few memes and tweets can provide all the info you need?
So frustrating, and insulting to those of us who’ve been down this path before.
Boy you guys read selectively often. Im not confident in any data set. And I've said it too many times
