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Agree or Disagree? Donald Trump Controls The Republican Party And Republicans Must Yield To Him (1 Viewer)
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Alex P Keaton
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Evidently this made at least one poster sad enough to express it via an emoji.James Daulton said:
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Yeah, you're right. Jan 6 was no big deal and Trump had no part in it.Yeah, I'm sure the Donald Trump sedition charges will be filed any day now.
GoBirds
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I do feel it is pretty sad that you all feel anyone here that doesn’t fall in line with the extreme liberal talking points must stand trial to all your tired Trump whining. Sorry, just not interested and stand by my original post 100% that the talking points here are far from reality. Just look at the last handful of posts, completely undiverse group of the same posters that spend all their time complaining about Trump and patting on the back the posters that always echo the same lame talking points…..hard pass.
In my opinion it’s the definition of sad behavior but if you think you need to go mash the report button and try to complete the echo chamber. Best of luck and have a great night!
In my opinion it’s the definition of sad behavior but if you think you need to go mash the report button and try to complete the echo chamber. Best of luck and have a great night!
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James Daulton
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Hello friend. I hope you had an excellent MLK day. In order to get ourselves away from the extreme liberal talking points that you feel so plague this forum, would you mind sharing your thoughts on the Lindsey Graham quote I've referenced multiple times and even quoted.I do feel it is pretty sad that you all feel anyone here that doesn’t fall in line with the extreme liberal talking points must stand trial to all your tired Trump whining. Sorry, just not interested and stand by my original post 100% that the talking points here are far from reality. Just look at the last handful of posts, completely undiverse group of the same posters that spend all their time complaining about Trump and patting on the back the posters that always echo the same lame talking points…..hard pass.
In my opinion it’s the definition of sad behavior but if you think you need to go mash the report button and try to complete the echo chamber. Best of luck and have a great night!
Looking forward to to your insight into how this is not an example of Trump controlling the Republican Party.
Thanks in advance friend!
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Lol. Perfect follow up post, GB. Now back to the Trump threads to complain about the liberals, pat each other on the back, and echo the same talking points.
shadrap
Footballguy
There are Trump guys in the Republican party & there are not. I'm quite sure some take his lead & advice to further their political life in the party. some don't. I guess I just don't see a big deal here but I've only read a few pages. so let's just say he DOES control the party. so what?
James Daulton
Footballguy
Nothing, other than he continues to lie about losing the election, that he attempted to coerce state officials to find votes or send different slates of electors, that he called a mob to DC and spun them up so that they attacked the capital to try to prevent the peaceful transition of power in this country.
Other than that, nothing at all is wrong with him having a stranglehold on the Republican party.
The General
Footballguy
For me Jan 6th, the election lies that still go on, etc should have taken away any influence this guy has in the party.
His power comes from his voters - that he still has this influence is terrible news for the country.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
It's a big deal because Trump is personally unfit to lead anything besides a local chapter of Narcissist's Anonymous.
Herb
Footballguy
Except for the part where he has to acknowledge that he has a problem. He wouldn't be able to complete even the first of the 12 steps.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Do you literally just make up crap that doesn't happen and post as if it's true just to troll? Weird schtick here
dkp993
Footballguy
Thank you for the answer.
To answer the bolded, it’s simply the point of the thread. Joe was asking the opinions of the board on whether Trump controls the party or not. The question wasn’t about a judgment of the fact, it’s simply whether he does or doesn’t.
BladeRunner
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FALSE. This is the
@GoBirds, myself and numerous other conservatives talk about. That's a far-left liberal's interpretation. I can tell you most - and I mean MOST - conservatives don't feel the same way about Trump as you do. We've already moved on from him. The fact of the matter is he has a stranglehold on YOU guys and controls your party. Every move you guys make always involves "what did trump do....OMG!".
Keep patting yourselves on the back as you feed off of each other's hyperbole. Each one of you amps it up even further than the last.
Trump's got you good.
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Nugget
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How would you define the current GOP? Is it a grassroots organization, policy focused? How would you describe it as compared to say, Reagan days or the party of Lincoln?FALSE. This is the
The fact of the matter is he has a stranglehold on YOU guys and controls your party. Every move you guys make always involves "what did trump do....OMG!".
If not Trump, what is the GOP?
James Daulton
Footballguy
Did you happen to see the Lindsey Graham quote I posted? Trump's got me good?FALSE. This is the
The fact of the matter is he has a stranglehold on YOU guys and controls your party. Every move you guys make always involves "what did trump do....OMG!".
Keep patting yourselves on the back as you feed off of each other's hyperbole. Each one of you amps it up even further than the last.
Trump's got you good.
I'm not the one saying that Republican leadership needs to be able to work with Trump because he's the leader of the Republican Party. So if the actual leadership of the Republican Party says that Trump is the leader of the Republican Party, how is that hyperbole? What happened to the few Republicans who made the mistake of voting for Trump's impeachment or not agreeing with the Big Lie? Blackballed from the party.
Hyperbole?
Shula-holic
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Here is where I am on it. Trump has a bedrock of support, a solid floor of support no other candidate has. That can get you a lot. Whether that floor plus some other amount is enough to win the primary again, it may well be. But he almost certainly has enough to be in the final two of a primary and if the field doesn’t clear, would win a plurality and cruise to the nomination via winner take all states the way Republican primaries work.
So it really depends in my view if it’s a heads up battle early enough to whether anyone could beat him. Because I don’t know the answer to that, and he could yet win heads up as well, he would be the large favorite.
I do know this, the Republican candidate can’t win a general without the support of that bedrock floor of support he has from voters. So even if someone else is the candidate, they are going to need the votes of Trump’s hardest supporters. I think that’s where statements like Lindsay Graham’s come from. Whether you equate that to controlling the party I’m not sure.
ETA: This isn’t totally unlike what the Democrats have with Bernie Sanders. He wins as long as there is a plurality of candidates because of his floor and they can’t win a general without support from his voters. Although I am not sure I'd say Bernie controls the D party, his ideas are forcing candidates to try and take positions to ward off the left in primaries much the way R’s are having to ward off Trump backed primary challenges.
So it really depends in my view if it’s a heads up battle early enough to whether anyone could beat him. Because I don’t know the answer to that, and he could yet win heads up as well, he would be the large favorite.
I do know this, the Republican candidate can’t win a general without the support of that bedrock floor of support he has from voters. So even if someone else is the candidate, they are going to need the votes of Trump’s hardest supporters. I think that’s where statements like Lindsay Graham’s come from. Whether you equate that to controlling the party I’m not sure.
ETA: This isn’t totally unlike what the Democrats have with Bernie Sanders. He wins as long as there is a plurality of candidates because of his floor and they can’t win a general without support from his voters. Although I am not sure I'd say Bernie controls the D party, his ideas are forcing candidates to try and take positions to ward off the left in primaries much the way R’s are having to ward off Trump backed primary challenges.
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James Daulton
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Thanks for the point of view. To me, the bolded seems very much like being in control of the party.
BladeRunner
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I did and I don't care what one man says.
Trump is not now, nor will he be in the future, in "control" of the GOP. He's on the fringes right now, barely able to stay relevant. He might have some "influence" (i.e. NOT control) but it's spotty at best and waning every day.
He's got you good as I explained in my post above. Simply put, he has more influence over you guys than he does the GOP.
But I get why you need to amp it up - Biden is so bad he's making Trump look good.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
James Daulton
Footballguy
While I disagree completely and believe I've shown evidence to back up my position, I appreciate your reasonable discourse and thoughts.I did and I don't care what one man says.
Trump is not now, nor will he be in the future, in "control" of the GOP. He's on the fringes right now, barely able to stay relevant. He might have some "influence" (i.e. NOT control) but it's spotty at best and waning every day.
He's got you good as I explained in my post above. Simply put, he has more influence over you guys than he does the GOP.
But I get why you need to amp it up - Biden is so bad he's making Trump look good.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
You can't really say this when the Trump thread is still one of the more popular threads on the board. I know your theory isn't that it's 100% liberals posting in there. Or the new MAGA thread, or ...FALSE. This is the
The fact of the matter is he has a stranglehold on YOU guys and controls your party. Every move you guys make always involves "what did trump do....OMG!".
Keep patting yourselves on the back as you feed off of each other's hyperbole. Each one of you amps it up even further than the last.
Trump's got you good.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Wait a minute here....No one's ever accused me of being reasonable.
What are you up to? What do you want?
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
I have the number of a good chiropractor if you need it. With all of that pretzel logic you must be in a lot of pain.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Or maybe use better examples? Even if you aren't in there that much, probably not good to use the R-signal for GB, KD, or the other core group that are still talking about Trump a bunch for already having moved on from him. You've said that you would consider voting 3rd party if he was the nom again, I wonder how popular that sentiment is with the rest of that crew.I have the number of a good chiropractor if you need it. With all of that pretzel logic you must be in a lot of pain.
GoBirds
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Stoneworker
Footballguy
So then by your logic(?) Bernie Sanders proved in 2020 that he is in complete control of the Democratic Party.
Any of the liberals disagree with that?
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Stoneworker
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Its similar…but Trump has more control over the leadership…as most just won’t cross him. Doesn’t seem like similar consequences if someone crosses Bernie.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Thx Stoneworker. For me at least, this was the first post that made any sense to me. No disrespect toward others, this was just a good articulation. Thank you.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Stoneworker
Footballguy
I can see that. But would you agree that the recent Youngkin and DeSantis "rebellions," together with a blatant middle finger from GOP leadership on the infrastructure bill, indicate significant weakening of that control vs. just a year ago?
rockaction
Footballguy
Ann Coulter, who wrote a book called In Trump We Trust, just called him a professional and lifelong "grifter." Her word. So maybe the Party apparatus is standing up to him. For reasons I cannot ascertain. But they are doing so. They are probably going to wind up like the Lincoln Project and The Bulwark. A total niche operation that does nothing -- that doesn't even really dent the Teflon Don.
dkp993
Footballguy
Didn’t Ann go away from Trump during his administration (like year 3 I think)? Something happened she strongly disagreed with and she spoke out, always the death knell
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, maybe. I haven't paid enough attention where I could tell you each and every right-winger's take on him. It's quite possible that it happened, but The Hill had it as one of their lead articles today, so...I assumed this was new.
dkp993
Footballguy
Yeah I vaguely remembered something, a quick search and I found …. https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/25/ann-coulter-turns-donald-trump-twitter-rant/?utm_source=GOOGLE&utm_medium=cpc&utm_id=chacka&utm_campaign=TWT+-+DSA
But there were tons after this too. Seems she’s been going at him pretty hard for a while now.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
??!?? There was literally no pretzel logic in Kp's post.I have the number of a good chiropractor if you need it. With all of that pretzel logic you must be in a lot of pain.
sho nuff
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Trump isn't awful enough for Coulter. She considers it a betrayal of conservatism whenever Don is forced to back away from a truly terrible position.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Ann Coulter laughed at last year for predicting Trump victory May 4, 2016
Ann Coulter's prediction of Trump victory in June 2015 drew this raucous laugh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbygriZT1Xw
Why Ann Coulter Thinks President Trump Is ‘Failing’ | NYT - Opinion Apr 1, 2018
The conservative author says that Donald Trump is in danger of losing his most loyal supporters, including her, if he doesn’t build the wall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJzALqFwxmo
Ann Coulter On Donald Trump's Impending Victory | Good Morning Britain Nov 8, 2016
Trump supporter Ann Coulter reacts to Donald Trump taking the lead over Hillary Clinton.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEVqwz8r-b8
*****
A general purity test I see in the PSF, and it's being ported over here from how many people are reacting out in Big Social Media, is the nutty idea that the majority of the Republican Party needs to come out and openly denounce Donald Trump. And that's the only way for them to prove they aren't in some monolithic hillbilly cult.
Ilhan Omar is the 2nd most high profile elected official in The Squad. Her positions lean heavily Anti-Semetic. She has a stranglehold on her district and she generates enough fundraising to separate herself from how the DNC uses Joint Finance Agreements. If she didn't have a large cultural base, very unique in her situation and in any situation politically, she couldn't get away with what she says. Jamal Bowman is also a member of The Squad. He has a very large Jewish base in his district. He has to toe a careful line because he is financially dependent on AOC's support and her massive platform but he also can't enrage voters he needs come time for reelection.
A majority of the Democratic Party knew that what was happening in Virginia was political suicide from the start. Some will say something because the Mid Terms are "base elections" and it would serve their interests to appeal to their base. Most will say nothing for the same reason. Manchin voted for Kavanaugh because he needed to appeal to his base, and that very likely was the tipping point to saved him the voting booth inside a Red Stronghold.
Asking professional politicians to commit career suicide to fulfill some purity test is sound and fury but not looking at the total complexity of the situation. Lots of Democrats have districts with a high ratio of active military personnel there. Afghanistan will become a single issue voter magnet for 2024. What they say or don't say becomes critical in keeping their seat. If you don't get reelected, nothing else you say or do is going to matter.
Coulter markets herself a lot of time as an open contrarian and she intentionally aims for a specific part of the base. However despite all the open attacks she's gotten, just because there are those who don't like her doesn't mean she's incapable of being right. And when she's not right, it doesn't mean she's incapable of still having a point.
Jose Canseco is an exhausting troll and he's a grifter and relies on "shock marketing" but that doesn't change the fact that, even if it wasn't for the "right reasons", he was still often right. And when he wasn't totally right, he still had a good point to make many times over.
What is "standing up" to Trump?
Establishment Democrats have a media team right now that couldn't sell ads for a local high school year book to local businesses around the school grounds. The hard push needs to be "Anti-Trump" at all costs, even if it's bad long term public policy and bad long term political strategy. The staggering losses might include legacy votes from the Hispanic/Latino community coming from three different directions of failure from this administration. No one is really paying attention to working class minority voters but they will likely impact enough at the booth to force the current establishment into a critical juncture on whether to just cease the "Top Down" platforming or see a replication of their long standing hold on the black vote, but transplanted for Hispanic/Latinos for the GOP.
Trump is a grifter. I don't think anyone in professional politics is magically ignoring that. Whether it's in their self interest to say that is another matter. Self interest in terms of holding their districts, not self interest in terms of this false monolith narrative. The MAGA base is also broken down into smaller components, but no one in the current activist MSM is going to practically cover that.
Purity tests are designed to trigger how people feel and weaponize people ruled by their feelings. That's not political pragmatism. How you pay your rent or your mortgage and what you have to tolerate or endure or rationalize or sacrifice to do it comes from a basic understanding that it's just plain better not to be homeless. Purity tests around those lauded or crucified for denouncing Trump in public or not is like saying it's better to be homeless for the sake of external validation from those who wouldn't look in your direction twice if you actually had to live on the streets and starve.
What makes your self interest at cost more pure than anyone else's? That's not just a question for you, but a question for everyone.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
To paraphrase Christian Slater in Heathers, some posters have nothing to offer this forum except ad hominem attacks and sad emojis.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
All it takes is looking through the Trump thread to see it. Same 4-5 poster patting each other on the back, posting the "echo chamber talking points, etc. It happens in other thread too with different posters (and I am not saying I am above that behavior sometimes too). But to pretend it's only one side of the aisle in here is laughable.
massraider
Footballguy
I am not sure that poll says what you think it says.
38% of a party who listen to one member of the party, rather than the party as a whole, is a massive percentage. And that's the lowest it's been? That's the power he has. 38% believe whatever he says, so if you are looking to win a close race, you probably believe you need his endorsement. Again, the citizens and the politicians should not be lumped together.
If there are people who believe that the Republican citizens of this country (NOT the GOP politicians) are all the rally-attending QAnon crazies, they are misinformed.
Anecdotal example from my life:
My parents are in business with a developer. He is a smart businessman, investor, and philanthropist. He's a genuinely sweet guy, he has carried mortgages for members of my family, and has gotten more more than on member of my family going in real estate. He absolutely votes with his wallet, and is absolutely a Republican. Safe to say they look up to him.
My parents had been lower middle class most of their lives, politically apathetic. Since 2016 they have become Trump supporters, I would not call them hardcore, they came to this through Facebook and FoxNews, I think. My mom believes anything she reads on her Facebook page.
My parents' friend voted for Hillary. They voted for Trump, and couldn't believe he voted for Hillary. He had a very general investor attitude, he wants stability, he was voting for fiscal stability.
There are a lot of Republicans like him. But mobilizing that smaller block of voters that went Trump, and didn't participate before, that's his power.
Thanks. It says exactly what it says. Thought it was relevant here to the discussion. And I fully realize it won't fit everyone's narrative. But thanks for the feedback.
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Sabertooth
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Weird that Trump had such an impact that they had to begin asking new questions. That's saying something in and of itself. Nobody questioned whether George W. Bush had a grip on the Republican party at all. Once he was gone (8 year mind you) nobody publicly drove to Texas to get his blessing. He just kind of left. Like every President before and after him, well except Trump.
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