msudaisy26
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Isn't this how the movie American Psycho started?
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Aging Men: what I do to feel better and younger (comment, critique, question, flame away) (1 Viewer)
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offdee
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Also there is a FBG thread devoted to this topic
https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/695825-testosterone-treatments-educate-me/
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Leeroy Jenkins
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I used to do all of this and then kids destroyed it. I need to figure out a new routine because my 43yr old body is full of tightness these days — and not in a good way.
Frostillicus
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tri-man 47
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northern exposure
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⚡DEADHEAD⚡
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Ok, going a little deeper here. I love using it mostly in summer, mostly after some time in the sun, whether working in the yard or at a kid's sporting event. It smells great and a little goes a long way. I have pretty normal skin. Not oily, not dry, but I am showing signs of aging. I will very, very soon be turning 50. I'm not vain at all. I accept getting older, no problem. But I swear, when I put this stuff on, all signs of aging in my face are lessened. Wrinkles, especially around my eyes, discoloration, skins feels softer. It also feels great after shaving.
Now you got me thinking of using it every day after a shave. Wonder what that'd be like after a month. Stuff is pricey though. Not sure I want to get hooked to it!
offdee
Footballguy
8: one of the higher testosterone levels in the area. Clearly has spf on his face. Upper tier of kegel muscles locally.
offdee
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Extremely skeptical. In general, I’d steer clear of dedicated men’s health and aesthetic medicine clinics. As a rule, they operate outside evidence-based therapeutic guidelines, with no oversight by professional societies or insurers (clients pay out-of-pocket). Consequently, they attract practitioners who promise the world (who doesn’t want a fountain of youth?) to maximize profit over health. But patients love it, as they immediately see/feel a difference, no matter what their testosterone level. The problem is, the chronic effects of supraphysiologic testosterone are unclear, and there are known short-term risks, if it isn’t monitored closely.
If you’re really concerned you have hypogonadism (low testosterone), see a board certified endocrinologist. They are medical experts in hormones. Primary care physicians and urologists also can provide testosterone replacement therapy, though they are more likely to unnecessarily prescribe it as a source of revenue IMO.
One other thing to consider: fat produces estrogen, altering the balance between your natural “male” and “female” hormones. Attaining a healthy weight and body fat% goes a long way to ameliorating many of the symptoms associated with “low T”.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
offdee
Footballguy
What are the benefits of ginger? I assume it’s a pretty strong taste that will alter the taste profile?
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Ginger proven health benefits.
It is strong on it`s own, in a shake with other ingredients not so much.
I love ginger so I never notice. I put fresh chopped ginger in my oatmeal.
My recipe is oatmeal, ground chia seeds, ground hemp seeds, fresh chopped ginger, a scoop of collagen, blueberries.
offdee
Footballguy
no idea what any of those letters mean. I'm just doing what the doctor I'm working with recommends.
Sorry to be dumb, but "shooting up". This is syringe and needle stuff?
Do people do this themselves?
Major
Footballguy
TRT is the test (testosterone replacement therapy). Ipa is the Growth Hormone thing your taking. I forget what it stands for but SARMS are basically legal steroid alternatives, experimental androgens or something along those lines.
TripItUp
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It's more about diet than exercise...you need to have the discipline to
1) cut out sugar/carbs
2) eat less
3) no alcohol
the weight will come off immediately
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
They can, although clinics can also perform intramuscular injections (for a fee, of course). It sounds like he's injecting testosterone, a growth hormone stimulant (not FDA approved for the treatment of anything), and a couple vitamins. The first two are effectively PEDs, and he could probably get the vitamins from diet + sun exposure.
Thanks. On the worry scale of 1 (Meh, it's nothing) to 10 (No way I'd ever do that), where would you rate something like this?
Are these real medical doctors that prescribe and do this?
Assuming this is the kind of stuff that's not legal for NFL and bodybuilding, right?
What's the legal status for the general public?
What's the legal status for the general public?
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Absent a legitimate diagnosis of hypogonadism, I'd never take supplemental testosterone. If I needed it, I wouldn't push levels to the high end of the "normal" range either, for fear of sequelae (mostly vascular (heart attack, stroke, clots) + prostate cancer risk). To be fair, the long term safety data for testosterone is inconclusive. But we've seen the potential for badness in women's hormone replacement, where standards of care changed 180 degrees, after we learned about chronic issues with exogenous hormones. So maybe a worry scale of 3 or 4.
I'd definitely not get involved with growth hormone analogues, which also may promote cancer, plus high blood pressure and diabetes. After all the fuss about FDA approval of covid vaccines, it blows my mind people use these non-FDA-approved PEDs, based on little more than bro-science in the weightlifting/longevity community. Worry scale closer to 8.
The vitamin injections are probably unnecessary, but pose little risk. Worry scale 1, though I wouldn't waste my money on them.
And to be clear, most people who use these supplements probably will do fine, both in the short and long term. But I believe there are much safer and better ways to attain health (mainly through diet and exercise). The vanity of being "cut", having a "six pack", "beach body", etc. just isn't worth it IMO. I also don't believe there are any shortcuts to recapturing/prolonging one's youth.
But all this stuff preys on people's fear and insecurity, and our culture of instant gratification, so there is a huge market for it. And yes, even legitimate doctors sometimes succumb to the hype, or greed in delving into stuff outside mainstream medicine.
Terminalxylem
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offdee
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BobbyLayne
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It’s a bit overpowering if, for example, you mix it in with your smoothie. My fiancée eats it raw. Like I’ll chop it - mince it - and then have a little curved tool that’s sort of a pseudo garlic press. I put about a tablespoon on her breakfast plate with her eggs.
It’s nasty af raw. I love to cook with ginger. I can’t do what she does, but I know there are a lot of health benefits.
WebMD:
Ginger is loaded with antioxidants, compounds that prevent stress and damage to your body's DNA. They may help your body fight off chronic diseases like high blood pressure, heart disease, and diseases of the lungs, plus promote healthy aging.
TheWalkmen
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1. Daily collagen in coffee
2. Refer back to #1
2. Refer back to #1
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Leroy Hoard
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Leeroy Jenkins
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I take a ginger-turmeric supplement for inflammation. Was having certain abdominal pain that nobody was ever able to diagnose or otherwise treat -- and it went away after I started taking these every morning.
offdee
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offdee
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I’m thinking this might be something I try versus adding it to the smoothie. Don’t want to mess with the taste of my batch
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Good lord... I'm guessing most women I know don't follow that elaborate of a routine. 
Whatever works for you GB.
I use a $3 jug of body wash. A $6 jug of shampoo.
Only lotion I use is foot balm for feet. Enjoy periodic pedicures.
Daily multivitamin and fish oil.
####loads of water.
Used to lift 4x a week.. been 6 months. Need to get back to it.
Never had my T tested. At 45 maybe it's time.
Whatever works for you GB.
I use a $3 jug of body wash. A $6 jug of shampoo.
Only lotion I use is foot balm for feet. Enjoy periodic pedicures.
Daily multivitamin and fish oil.
####loads of water.
Used to lift 4x a week.. been 6 months. Need to get back to it.
Never had my T tested. At 45 maybe it's time.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I started to say much more but, in this day, and age people 'tend' to get offended by anything that 'could possibly' trigger them so I used a platitude.
In the very next post after yours, Wikid quoted David Foster Wallace. You may not be familiar with him but I can suggest a fantastic movie that was made about him called The End of the Tour.
The quote dove much deeper into what I 'hinted'.
When I said 'Make your own path' I wanted to try and scratch the surfacce of DFW but couldn't compare to David Foster Wallace who said it much better.
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...If you worship money and things, if they are where you tap real meaning in life, then you will never have enough, never feel you have enough.
Worship your body and beauty and sexual allure and you will always feel ugly. And when time and age start showing, you will die a million deaths before they finally grieve you.
On one level, we all know this stuff already. It’s been codified as myths, proverbs, clichés, epigrams, parables; the skeleton of every great story. The whole trick is keeping the truth up front in daily consciousness.
Worship power, you will end up feeling weak and afraid, and you will need ever more power over others to numb you to your own fear. Worship your intellect, being seen as smart, you will end up feeling stupid, a fraud, always on the verge of being found out. But the insidious thing about these forms of worship is not that they’re evil or sinful, it’s that they’re unconscious. They are default settings.
They’re the kind of worship you just gradually slip into, day after day, getting more and more selective about what you see and how you measure value without ever being fully aware that that’s what you’re doing.
And the so-called real world will not discourage you from operating on your default settings, because the so-called real world of men and money and power hums merrily along in a pool of fear and anger and frustration and craving and worship of self. Our own present culture has harnessed these forces in ways that have yielded extraordinary wealth and comfort and personal freedom.
The freedom all to be lords of our tiny skull-sized kingdoms, alone at the centre of all creation. This kind of freedom has much to recommend it. But of course there are all different kinds of freedom, and the kind that is most precious you will not hear much talk about much in the great outside world of wanting and achieving…. The really important kind of freedom involves attention and awareness and discipline, and being able truly to care about other people and to sacrifice for them over and over in myriad petty, unsexy ways every day.
That is real freedom. That is being educated, and understanding how to think. The alternative is unconsciousness, the default setting, the rat race, the constant gnawing sense of having had, and lost, some infinite thing.
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Huh. I got talked into buying some collagen but have never used it. I suppose morning coffee would be a good avenue. Maybe I'll start that.
Zow
Footballguy
All I read here are a bunch of flowery, charged words that don't add up to actually saying anything/providing concrete advice.
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offdee
Footballguy
I just purchased a ginger/turmeric supplement on Amazon that also has Apple Cider Vinegar in it. I put ACV in my smoothie and notice it really helps with appetite suppression for me.....but, I hate the taste of it, it's pretty nasty. Gonna keep the low amount in my smoothie but the addition of it in this supplement is perfect. Thanks for the recommendation.
Bracie Smathers
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offdee
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You can enjoy and desire all of those 4 bullet points and still be a good human being to others, empathetic to others and have life goals deeper than materialistic things. Not caring at all about those 4 bullets and only about flowery notions isn't ideal for happiness either IMO.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Without getting tested what are some of the signs of low T? I'm still saluting most mornings and my libido is still through the roof. Still have decent muscle mass.
Is there a good reason to get tested if there's no concerns?
Bracie Smathers
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Zow
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I don't worship any of those things. I do think they can to a moderate and reasonable extent promote a good life both for the individual and for society, but I fail to see how one saying "hey you're saying a lot without actually saying anything" denotes the response of "worship this stuff then."
I want to care about others and do good. I just fail to see how advice like "make your own path" practically and pragmatically promotes this end. I'm seeking more concrete advice.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Everything in moderation
Just wanted to throw an old saying out there for no reason. Although I mostly agree with this one.
Just wanted to throw an old saying out there for no reason. Although I mostly agree with this one.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I interpret "make your own path" to be - don't follow the conventional wisdom on what will make you happy. Granted, you have to kind of read in to it and even if that's accurate it doesn't give you concrete advice like you are wanting. I'm similar to you - give me 5-10 steps or items to do and I'll go do them.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
First, nothing is preventing you from helping others.
I've tried and failed to explain what I was trying to say so I'll chalk it up to my failure.
Not a question of laziness but today is the first day of summer and even though I woke early to beat the heat and moved a ton of topsoil and am helping out someone, I've still got a lot to do, and I imagine you do as well so have a great summer.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
But everything includes moderation.
Sort of like me saying everything I say is a lie.
offdee
Footballguy
I just purchased this off Amazon. Looking forward to giving it a try. Appreciate the recommendation.
offdee
Footballguy
I’m not sure if this is a real comment or a shtick comment. With my positive mindset these days I’ll just assume it was a positive one! Appreciate it GB! (I think)
