New York Jets 2011 Thread (1 Viewer)

[TLEF316]

fair deal to keep Cro.

Haven't seen details yet, but I'm sure its at least partially backloaded. He'll probably have a relatively low cap number this year. (maybe not Santonio low, but low) And I'm sure its set up so the jets can reasonably cut him after years 2 or 3 if he doesn't perform.

He is a bit of a ##### at times, but he did pretty well last year and I love watching him play. The gun runs like a freaking deer.

 

[Andrew Garda]

fair deal to keep Cro.

Haven't seen details yet, but I'm sure its at least partially backloaded. He'll probably have a relatively low cap number this year. (maybe not Santonio low, but low) And I'm sure its set up so the jets can reasonably cut him after years 2 or 3 if he doesn't perform.

He is a bit of a ##### at times, but he did pretty well last year and I love watching him play. The gun runs like a freaking deer.

He stepped in and did very well when revis was out and I think he pl;ayed pretty well last year overall. I don't have an issue with his contract and honestly, he may not be Asomugha but he can be pretty good.

I hate Schotty much less than most Jet fans seem to, because I think a lot of the offensive struggles are due to Sanchez. He has a lot of talent, but a 54% completion simply can't get the job done. If he can raise that to around 60% then I think the Jets offense can be very good.

Like or hate Schotty the simple fact his that Sanchez has to step up and improve his % and even he knows it. Setting the bar for himself for 65-70% is a bit much but it shows he knows this needs to get better. I think he has the drive to do it..... but we need to see real improvement this year.

 

[njherdfan]

fair deal to keep Cro. Haven't seen details yet, but I'm sure its at least partially backloaded. He'll probably have a relatively low cap number this year. (maybe not Santonio low, but low) And I'm sure its set up so the jets can reasonably cut him after years 2 or 3 if he doesn't perform.He is a bit of a ##### at times, but he did pretty well last year and I love watching him play. The gun runs like a freaking deer.

He could be the most frustrating player on the team because he has so much talent, but it is a fair deal, and the Jets needed him.This is all speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if they went in the other direction with his deal and used a lot of the room they'd freed up for Nnamdi on this year of Cro's deal to make him easier to cut after a year or two if Wilson steps up or Cro continues to be an enigma. Just a thought.

 

[Sabertooth]

The Jets last season were a lot of bluster, beginning with Hard Knocks. I think while Ryan does motivates his own team with his rhetoric, he also motivates opponents. A lot of people predicted big things for Greene and the Jets last season and they both did reasonably well. But a lot of times it seems that prediction are a year early in the NFL. I think this may be one of those cases. I would not be surprised to see the Jet in the AFCC game and/or the Super Bowl.

 

[njherdfan]

After looking online today, I saw that in order to get Pace and Scott to re-structure, their contracts for next year are now fully guaranteed, which does not make me happy. I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Pace would be cut after this year to free up room to sign a pass-rusher who could actually rush the passer. Now it seems like we'll be stuck with Pace for two more seasons.

 

[njherdfan]

And it was just announced that David HArris signed a long-term deal. I'm curious to see what kind of money he's getting. Hopefully not more than Beason.

Jeez. 4 years, 36 million with 29.5 guaranteed That's a lot of money for a very good but not great player.

 

[nysportsfan]

According to Manish Mehta and Cromartie's twitter account, the Jets have agreed to bring back Cro for 4 years and 32 million. It's a lot of money, but it's less than Nnamdi got, which seems fair.

Also less than Joseph got, which is fair, too.Reigns have been lifted off of Sanchez, apparently, It will be interested to see if: a) it's true, and b) the outcome. They will be passing more often, for sure.

 

[TLEF316]

The Harris deal is only 4 mil on the cap for this year.

So the Jets have room to bring in one more impact player if they choose.

I gotta think that Braylon on a 1 year deal is the best play, if he's willing to take it.

That being said, 2012 is gonna be ugly from a cap perspective. They almost have to dump cotchery at this point to save a couple mil. Obviously sanchez will re-structure, but there's gonna be a whole lot of money tied up in LB'ers that can't get to the QB/

 

[Andrew Garda]

According to Manish Mehta and Cromartie's twitter account, the Jets have agreed to bring back Cro for 4 years and 32 million. It's a lot of money, but it's less than Nnamdi got, which seems fair.

Also less than Joseph got, which is fair, too.Reigns have been lifted off of Sanchez, apparently, It will be interested to see if: a) it's true, and b) the outcome. They will be passing more often, for sure.

Sanchez needs to work on making the right decision and I think he'll be fine. Start strong, stay strong and not get rattled. he has the tools - no excuses. Needs a significant bump in completion percentage to go with his game winning skills.

 

[njherdfan]

The Harris deal is only 4 mil on the cap for this year.

So the Jets have room to bring in one more impact player if they choose.

I gotta think that Braylon on a 1 year deal is the best play, if he's willing to take it.

That being said, 2012 is gonna be ugly from a cap perspective. They almost have to dump cotchery at this point to save a couple mil. Obviously sanchez will re-structure, but there's gonna be a whole lot of money tied up in LB'ers that can't get to the QB/

Agreed. At this point, it's clear that Tanny freed up enough money to allow the Jets to make a competitive offer for Nnamdi. Since they're going to be in cap hell next season anyway, I agree they need to go back and get Braylon, trade Cotch and put Kerley in the slot and see what happens.

 

[Reaper]

I gotta think that Braylon on a 1 year deal is the best play, if he's willing to take it.

IMO, someone is going to get a terrific WR on the cheap here...

What a whacky FA period... Lets say, Santonio Holmes did what Aso did and played the Jets and then at the last second botled to Philly (like I thought he would).... Then Braylon would have been in the same Shoes as Cromartie and all of a sudden I feel like Braylon gets the multi year big deal he wanted.... Crazy.

Nice to be Philly, in position to just collect all these guys on the cheap - Sheesh, they might as well sign Braylon too.... I think the Jets played it right, they had to at least try for Aso and It feels like they got played by the agents but, they played their cards. Seems to me like there was a huge opportunity this offseason to collect pretty decent players, i think the Jets made out ok... But, Most teams did Squat and just let this pass by.

In the end the Jets bring back most of their team from last year... It all comes down to Sanchez taking the next step.... Also, It will be nice to enter the season with Revis at full speed, I think the whole Revis out thing and what that did to the rest of the secondary and defense for much of the 1st half last year is greatly underestimated.

 

[njherdfan]

It's just come out that Brodney Pool is re-signing. That's excellent news because he's much more talented than Smith, and this will let Smith play ST as well. I'm not sure if this means the Jets will no longer pursue Ihedigbo.

 

[nysportsfan]

The Jets apparently offered Ellis the league min for veterans. He is mulling over his options.

 

[njherdfan]

Reports are coming in now that Cotch has officially been released and Mason has been signed. This makes me think one of two things happened here. Either:

1. Cotchery's back was hurt worse than he let on publically, and there was speculation about whether or not he would be able to contribute this season.

2. The Jets are still trying to clear enough cap room to make a run at someone, possibly Braylon (fingers crossed)?

Otherwise, I can't understand the move since Mason isn't really much of an upgrade over Cotch, and Cotch was only making like 2 million dollars this season.

I'll definitely miss Cotch, he was always one of my favorite Jets. Very steady and reliable. In particular, Jets fans need to appreciate how much of a stabilizing presence he was for Sanchez before Braylon arrived in a trade, his excellent performance in the 09 AFCCG against Indy, and his 60 yard catch and run against the Pats this past year in the playoffs after the Pats scored to make the game 14-11. That huge play totally deflated the Gillette crowd, and the Pats' defense. Thanks for your time in the green and white J-Co.

 

[TLEF316]

ugh, Braylon signs a 1 year deal for only 500k more than we're paying Plax. Assuming Braylon doesn't go to jail for this recent nightclub incident, I'd say that qualifies as a disaster.

Sad to see Cotch goes, but I'm guessing he's hurt real bad.

The Pats worked out Ellis. Really hope he doesn't go there. He was very mediocre last year other than a couple of games, but i'd still hate to see him leave for NE.

 

[jwb]

Reports are coming in now that Cotch has officially been released and Mason has been signed. This makes me think one of two things happened here. Either:

1. Cotchery's back was hurt worse than he let on publically, and there was speculation about whether or not he would be able to contribute this season.

2. The Jets are still trying to clear enough cap room to make a run at someone, possibly Braylon (fingers crossed)?

Otherwise, I can't understand the move since Mason isn't really much of an upgrade over Cotch, and Cotch was only making like 2 million dollars this season.

I'll definitely miss Cotch, he was always one of my favorite Jets. Very steady and reliable. In particular, Jets fans need to appreciate how much of a stabilizing presence he was for Sanchez before Braylon arrived in a trade, his excellent performance in the 09 AFCCG against Indy, and his 60 yard catch and run against the Pats this past year in the playoffs after the Pats scored to make the game 14-11. That huge play totally deflated the Gillette crowd, and the Pats' defense. Thanks for your time in the green and white J-Co.

Me too - he will definitely be missed.

 

[Reaper]

Well, we got our answer that makes sense.... Cotchery still wants a shot at being more than a #3 WR.... And Quietly probably in a better passing offense.

I respect that, I think he's WRONG but, I respect that.. I think it's wrong because you never know what Plax will give and Cotch is the borderline #2 anyway with the Jets. And in the end, if you want a SuperBowl and love your team and teamates.. Blah blah blah...

It also really makes me think he has an inside track to going to SD and his buddy Rivers Because, While he might feel the Jets situation wasn't best for his career Stats and next contract, it could be worse, a lot worse. Just not in SD.

If he doesn't wind up in SD he could find himself regretting his decision.

I wish him the best..... And the bitter taste is a little less knowing the Jets didn't just outright screw him....

Now Ellis, on the other hand would make me ill as a Pat... though playing more 4-3 as a guy in rotation could revitilize him a bit...UGGGGH.. Do Not want to see this happen.

 

[TLEF316]

Ellis to new england. I'm gonna be sick

 

[qimqam]

Jets got significantly worse this off season @ WR and on Def while committing to huge contracts that will affect them for the next couple of years. Jets won't make it to the AFC Championship game.

Pats improved dramatically and will win the AFC East again.

 

[njherdfan]

Ellis to new england. I'm gonna be sick

 

[TLEF316]

Jets got significantly worse this off season @ WR and on Def while committing to huge contracts that will affect them for the next couple of years. Jets won't make it to the AFC Championship game.Pats improved dramatically and will win the AFC East again.

I'm with you at WR, but how did they get worse on Defense?They lost some over the hill veterans (Ellis, Taylor), a guy that was hurt the last 2 years anyway (Jenkins), some scrubs (Gholston) and various bit players that were specialists at best (ihedigbo, drew coleman)The added 2 talented rookie linemen (3 if you could Pitoitua coming back from injury), get a full year or Revis, get Leonhard back, get some development from Kyle Wilson and another full year of continuity from the rest of the starters in the defensive backfield.The only way they get weaker on D is if Pace and Bart Scott are done, which they aren't. Their contracts look ugly next year, but that's next year. Ellis had a very mediocre year last year other than the playoffs. Taylor made 3 good plays all year and was invisible the rest of the season. Barring injury or ZERO contributions from Wilkerson, K. Ellis and Kyle Wilson, this defense will be better than last year. I am worried about the passing game though. I think Sanchez is still improving, but I hate the Burress signing very much. I like bringing Mason in because he can still play and will be a great influence on the younger guys (which is needed, because Holmes is not). Apparently Jeremy Kerley has been very impressive in camp, but that doesn't mean much right now.

 

[Reaper]

Ellis to new england. I'm gonna be sick

WOW - Pats are giving Ellis 4-5 Million.I hate him a lot less now... Can't fault him for that and can't fault the Jets for not paying that....Basedon that, I'm over it already.

 

[Reaper]

Jets got significantly worse this off season @ WR and on Def while committing to huge contracts that will affect them for the next couple of years. Jets won't make it to the AFC Championship game.Pats improved dramatically and will win the AFC East again.

I'm with you at WR, but how did they get worse on Defense?They lost some over the hill veterans (Ellis, Taylor), a guy that was hurt the last 2 years anyway (Jenkins), some scrubs (Gholston) and various bit players that were specialists at best (ihedigbo, drew coleman)The added 2 talented rookie linemen (3 if you could Pitoitua coming back from injury), get a full year or Revis, get Leonhard back, get some development from Kyle Wilson and another full year of continuity from the rest of the starters in the defensive backfield.The only way they get weaker on D is if Pace and Bart Scott are done, which they aren't. Their contracts look ugly next year, but that's next year. Ellis had a very mediocre year last year other than the playoffs. Taylor made 3 good plays all year and was invisible the rest of the season. Barring injury or ZERO contributions from Wilkerson, K. Ellis and Kyle Wilson, this defense will be better than last year. I am worried about the passing game though. I think Sanchez is still improving, but I hate the Burress signing very much. I like bringing Mason in because he can still play and will be a great influence on the younger guys (which is needed, because Holmes is not). Apparently Jeremy Kerley has been very impressive in camp, but that doesn't mean much right now.

I think the Defense Improves... While Braylon for Plax STINKS!!!Not having Revis, then Revis getting hurt then jenkins going down in game 1 and Cromartie learning on the fly as the rest of the secondary scrambles to cover Revis was a tough way to start last year and to finish up they lack depth on the DL and Safety which probably really showed up Vs Pitt in the Championship game.Now - Revis and Cro to start should be light years ahead of last year...Safety position is better with Leonard back and Brodney Pool with another year under his belt in the system alomng with Smith.Biggest spot I think the Jets got hurt this offseason is IMO, the Pats potentially Improving a lot... All offseason I've drafted with the idea that the Pats could be THE team in the NFL and make a run at undefeated again - then they added all these pieces.. Oh My!!. Pats are the best team in football!! Quietly they won 14 games last year and now quietly they added a ton of talent and depth while everyone annoints Philly as the Dream Team....

 

[njherdfan]

The thing that bothers me with the Jets off-season is that there seemed to be no effort or interest by the Jets to bring back Ellis at all. If they had offered him less than NE, but above the veteran minimum, I think there's a strong chance he would have stayed in NY. What confuses me is why Rex was so sure the Jets didn't need Ellis, and why he's so gung-ho about starting Wilkerson. If Wilkerson is as good as I'm hearing, then he would have started no matter what, but it seems like anointing Wilkerson as the starter without ever seeing him against NFL competition was a very risky idea.

As for the defense as a whole, I don't think you can quantify how much a healthy Revis will upgrade the entire unit. Last year's defense was in a state of flux for the first half of the season, and now the Jets can go back to the "Revis Island" of 2009. Also, a healthy Calvin Pace should hopefully be an upgrade over the injure and ineffective Pace of last season, while Rex has also been praising Westerman as the new pass-rushing linebacker. although that should be taken with quite a few grains of salt (he said similar things about Gholston last season.)I also have high hopes for Ropati Pitoitua.

I think the offense might be marginally worse, but I also think that the offense will really hinge on Sanchez, not whether or not he's throwing to Braylon or Plax. I have a feeling Tannenbaum didn't read the market particularly well and assumed Braylon would cost too much money, and signed Plax pre-emptively, but if Plax can stay healthy he should be fine. I also have liked what I've read about Kerley, but the problem with the Jets offense won't be a lack of talent at the skill positions. All that really matters is whether or not Sanchez can improve enough to help the Jets challenge for the AFCE instead of battling for a Wild Card.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Jets got significantly worse this off season @ WR and on Def while committing to huge contracts that will affect them for the next couple of years. Jets won't make it to the AFC Championship game.

Pats improved dramatically and will win the AFC East again.

link?

 

[Moonlight]

I drafted Bilal Powell and haven't found much about how he has been doing except one writer mentioned that he thought he was a little slow to hit the hole. Impression is then that he hasn't stood out. Any other reports on him?

 

[njherdfan]

I drafted Bilal Powell and haven't found much about how he has been doing except one writer mentioned that he thought he was a little slow to hit the hole. Impression is then that he hasn't stood out. Any other reports on him?

I haven't heard much about him either. I have heard that McKnight looks much better from last season though, which probably hurts Powell's chances for this season. He still probably has dynasty value though, because Greene's rookie deal is up after next season (2012-13)and the Jets have a lot of money tied up in other spots and probably won't want to give a big contract to Greene. That's a lot of speculating though.

 

[njherdfan]

The Jets depth chart is up on the site.

On a side note, I've been hearing nothing but good things about both Wilson and Revis, which has me very excited for this defense.

 

[Andrew Garda]

I drafted Bilal Powell and haven't found much about how he has been doing except one writer mentioned that he thought he was a little slow to hit the hole. Impression is then that he hasn't stood out. Any other reports on him?

I haven't heard much about him either. I have heard that McKnight looks much better from last season though, which probably hurts Powell's chances for this season. He still probably has dynasty value though, because Greene's rookie deal is up after next season (2012-13)and the Jets have a lot of money tied up in other spots and probably won't want to give a big contract to Greene. That's a lot of speculating though.

I did the team report this week and Powell is struggling a little bit, hitting the hole a tad slow and such. Bu that's to be expected with no OTAs or mini camps - and really in general. Rookies will hesitate more often in TC anyway because they've been sucking in so much knowledge that I think they struggle a bit with the process. For a while it becomes less instinctive and too much thinking. That's Powell's issue right now.It's actually similar to some of what McKnight dealt with last year with less projectile vomiting.Speaking of McKnight - between him and Powell, I'd wait to see how McKnight does in a preseason game before I worry. I mean, great if McKnight becomes what they hoped he would last year, but I really loved what I saw from Powell on film and am a believer there as well. As pointed out, Greene's rook deal being up soon means both RBs succeeding is a good thing - and you can NEVER have too many RBs.

 

[Righetti]

The Jets depth chart is up on the site.

On a side note, I've been hearing nothing but good things about both Wilson and Revis, which has me very excited

for this defense.

Nice article about how Revision has taken Wilson under his arm this offseason in today's daily news

 

[Righetti]

Sorry posting from my iPhon

Nice article about how Revis has taken Wilson under his arm this year

I like Wilson and expect strides that may allowt them to cut Cromartie at some point during his contract

Also read yesterday that the Jets max offset to Nmandi was $30 for 3 years because they wante to keep it under the average salary of the Revi contract.

 

[Sabertooth]

Sorry posting from my iPhonNice article about how Revis has taken Wilson under his arm this yearI like Wilson and expect strides that may allowt them to cut Cromartie at some point during his contractAlso read yesterday that the Jets max offset to Nmandi was $30 for 3 years because they wante to keep it under the average salary of the Revi contract.

This being the downside to constantly stating that your guy is the best guy in the league. So basically Ryan's mouth cost them Nmandi.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Sorry posting from my iPhonNice article about how Revis has taken Wilson under his arm this yearI like Wilson and expect strides that may allowt them to cut Cromartie at some point during his contractAlso read yesterday that the Jets max offset to Nmandi was $30 for 3 years because they wante to keep it under the average salary of the Revi contract.

This being the downside to constantly stating that your guy is the best guy in the league. So basically Ryan's mouth cost them Nmandi.

Not really. They couldn't pay Nhamdi more than Revis after what they went through with Revis last offseason, but that would be the case whether Rex was outspoken or not. And to be completely honest I don't think it would have been wise to sink more than that into a No. 2 corner anyway.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Anyone think Patrick Turner can step up and contribute a bit this year after hagning around on the roster for most of last season? The guy has some skills.

 

[Reaper]

Sorry posting from my iPhonNice article about how Revis has taken Wilson under his arm this yearI like Wilson and expect strides that may allowt them to cut Cromartie at some point during his contractAlso read yesterday that the Jets max offset to Nmandi was $30 for 3 years because they wante to keep it under the average salary of the Revi contract.

This being the downside to constantly stating that your guy is the best guy in the league. So basically Ryan's mouth cost them Nmandi.

Not really. They couldn't pay Nhamdi more than Revis after what they went through with Revis last offseason, but that would be the case whether Rex was outspoken or not. And to be completely honest I don't think it would have been wise to sink more than that into a No. 2 corner anyway.

From everything I read, Revis is going to look for another payday after the season... UGGH..I wondered how that would play out with Aso here... And if they would be willing to let Revis walk in that case if things got heated again. Though Aso is getting up there in years...But, yeah, I don't see how Rex' mouth has cost them anything. Heard Francessa railing yesterday about how the Jets and Rex were supposed to get players to stay on the cheap and it hasn't happened - Well Ellis got FOUR Million dollars more!!!!! No one gives up 4 Million. Cotchery felt like He could be a #1 or even a #2 somewhere else.. It happens.. I still think more players than not want to play for Rex and IF EVEN money will play for him.Under the radar - (to Franny at least) The Jets got CB Strickland and Safetys Pool and Smith All to return which wasn't in the bag at all for what the Jets offerend but not big enough names for Franny but, HUGE for the Defense and a deeper and better secondary than Rex has had here yet.Franny will look at Ellis and Cotchery and call it a day - The Jets can't keep their own.

 

[njherdfan]

Anyone think Patrick Turner can step up and contribute a bit this year after hagning around on the roster for most of last season? The guy has some skills.

I'm hopeful that he can, especially because of his connections to Sanchez. I know he had 1 or 2 catches last year when Edwards sat out the first quarter @ Miami. The way I see things breaking down with Jets WRs this season is that Holmes, Plax, Mason and Kerley are guaranteed to be active every game (barring injuries) and knowing Rex's fondness for having as many DBs as possible active, I can't see the Jets going with more than 5 receivers in a game. So far the battle seems to be between Turner, Scotty McKnight and Logan Payne for that spot, but I have a feeling that Special Teams production will be the deciding factor on who is active on game day and who isn't. Of course, if Plax is injured, I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets use Turner to attempt to replace him.

 

[njherdfan]

Sorry posting from my iPhon

Nice article about how Revis has taken Wilson under his arm this year

I like Wilson and expect strides that may allowt them to cut Cromartie at some point during his contract

Also read yesterday that the Jets max offset to Nmandi was $30 for 3 years because they wante to keep it under the average salary of the Revi contract.

This being the downside to constantly stating that your guy is having the best guy in the league. So basically Ryan's mouth cost them Nmandi.

 

[Sabertooth]

Sorry posting from my iPhon

Nice article about how Revis has taken Wilson under his arm this year

I like Wilson and expect strides that may allowt them to cut Cromartie at some point during his contract

Also read yesterday that the Jets max offset to Nmandi was $30 for 3 years because they wante to keep it under the average salary of the Revi contract.

This being the downside to constantly stating that your guy is having the best guy in the league. So basically Ryan's mouth cost them Nmandi.

you just keep hanging you hat on that. Charles Woodson will hang his on his Lombardi and Defensive MVP trophy.

 

[Reaper]

Sorry posting from my iPhon

Nice article about how Revis has taken Wilson under his arm this year

I like Wilson and expect strides that may allowt them to cut Cromartie at some point during his contract

Also read yesterday that the Jets max offset to Nmandi was $30 for 3 years because they wante to keep it under the average salary of the Revi contract.

This being the downside to constantly stating that your guy is having the best guy in the league. So basically Ryan's mouth cost them Nmandi.

you just keep hanging you hat on that. Charles Woodson will hang his on his Lombardi and Defensive MVP trophy.

Are you pissing in the Jets thread?

Who cares? They didn't lose Aso cuz of Ryans mouth and no one in the league takes Woodson straight up over Revis as we sit here today....

Piss somewhere else.

 

[Reaper]

POWELL

Bilal Powell Begins to Make His Presence Felt

By Andrew LeRay

Posted 1 hour ago

aaOne day at a time. Thats how Bilal Powell has approached his first NFL training camp.

As the Jets' fourth-round pick out of Louisville, the rookie has entered a crowded backfield brimming with talent. Stalwarts Shonn Greene and LaDainian Tomlinson are set to see a majority of the carries, and second-year back Joe McKnight figures to have an increased workload.

As a result, Powell has not seen much action in team drills. But despite his lack of touches, he has found ways to make his presence felt to the Jets staff.

I think were just now starting to see why we took Powell as high as we did, said head coach Rex Ryan during Tuesdays news conference. Hes got some great running skills, and hes a tough kid.

The soft-spoken Powell is coming off a senior campaign at Louisville where he rushed for 1,405 yards and 11 touchdowns on 229 carries, dramatically improving on his 108-carry, 392-yard junior season. The sudden spike in numbers intrigued NFL scouts who were already impressed with his size, athleticism and physical play.

With some coaching, many believed the 510, 204-pound Powell could become a productive back in the NFL. Since entering camp, the Jets' two RB incumbents have helped Powell potentially become an impact player.

Every little detail counts on this level, said Powell. I think LT and Shonn are doing a great job of teaching me the offense.

Working with Tomlinson has been an experience that Powell particularly cherishes.

Its crazy because LT was one of the running backs I liked growing up, said Powell. Getting a chance to come in, learn from him, see how a future Hall of Famer practices and works and how he approaches things is just a blessing for me.

Ryan has already made it clear that the Jets plan on throwing the ball more often this season. Running backs coach Anthony Lynn says his players are essential means to that end by protecting the pocket and providing a safe outlet for QB Mark Sanchez. Conveniently, Powell excels at both.

Bilal is a sharp kid and hes a hard worker, said Lynn. Hes pretty explosive. He can catch the ball better than I thought he could.

Powell has never been afraid to absorb some contact. He revels in the opportunity to take on pass rushers and provide blitz pickup in the pass game.

Im just being selfless when it comes to my teammates, said Powell. If I have to stick my body in there and take on a linebacker to protect my quarterback, thats what Im going to do.

Although the full-house backfield may not be able to offer Powell many touches in 2011, he sees himself making plays in other areas.

Im leaning towards special teams, he said. A couple of guys told me that coming in as a rookie, special teams is something I should lean on. Ive got my mind set on that.

Humility is the perfect word to describe the 22-year-old. Quick to deflect praise toward his teammates and eager to accept any role the coaching staff may bestow upon him, Powell understands the role of a rookie in the NFL.

Im excited about him, said Lynn. Hes on the runway.

Just another Jet waiting to take off.

 

[njherdfan]

Sorry posting from my iPhon

Nice article about how Revis has taken Wilson under his arm this year

I like Wilson and expect strides that may allowt them to cut Cromartie at some point during his contract

Also read yesterday that the Jets max offset to Nmandi was $30 for 3 years because they wante to keep it under the average salary of the Revi contract.

This being the downside to constantly stating that your guy is having the best guy in the league. So basically Ryan's mouth cost them Nmandi.

you just keep hanging you hat on that. Charles Woodson will hang his on his Lombardi and Defensive MVP trophy.

Are you pissing in the Jets thread?

Who cares? They didn't lose Aso cuz of Ryans mouth and no one in the league takes Woodson straight up over Revis as we sit here today....

Piss somewhere else.

This. I think Aaron Rogers might have a little something to do with that Lombardi trophy, and I remember there was a huge thread about the 2009 DPOY award at the time. You’re welcome to your opinion that Charles Woodson is better than Revis, but let’s try to keep this thread focused on the Jets.

 

[njherdfan]

POWELL

Bilal Powell Begins to Make His Presence Felt

By Andrew LeRay

Posted 1 hour ago

aaOne day at a time. That’s how Bilal Powell has approached his first NFL training camp.

As the Jets' fourth-round pick out of Louisville, the rookie has entered a crowded backfield brimming with talent. Stalwarts Shonn Greene and LaDainian Tomlinson are set to see a majority of the carries, and second-year back Joe McKnight figures to have an increased workload.

As a result, Powell has not seen much action in team drills. But despite his lack of touches, he has found ways to make his presence felt to the Jets’ staff.

“I think we’re just now starting to see why we took Powell as high as we did,” said head coach Rex Ryan during Tuesday’s news conference. “He’s got some great running skills, and he’s a tough kid.”

The soft-spoken Powell is coming off a senior campaign at Louisville where he rushed for 1,405 yards and 11 touchdowns on 229 carries, dramatically improving on his 108-carry, 392-yard junior season. The sudden spike in numbers intrigued NFL scouts who were already impressed with his size, athleticism and physical play.

With some coaching, many believed the 5’10”, 204-pound Powell could become a productive back in the NFL. Since entering camp, the Jets' two RB incumbents have helped Powell potentially become an impact player.

“Every little detail counts on this level,” said Powell. “I think LT and Shonn are doing a great job of teaching me the offense.”

Working with Tomlinson has been an experience that Powell particularly cherishes.

“It’s crazy because LT was one of the running backs I liked growing up,” said Powell. “Getting a chance to come in, learn from him, see how a future Hall of Famer practices and works and how he approaches things is just a blessing for me.”

Ryan has already made it clear that the Jets plan on throwing the ball more often this season. Running backs coach Anthony Lynn says his players are essential means to that end by protecting the pocket and providing a safe outlet for QB Mark Sanchez. Conveniently, Powell excels at both.

“Bilal is a sharp kid and he’s a hard worker,” said Lynn. “He’s pretty explosive. He can catch the ball better than I thought he could.”

Powell has never been afraid to absorb some contact. He revels in the opportunity to take on pass rushers and provide blitz pickup in the pass game.

“I’m just being selfless when it comes to my teammates,” said Powell. “If I have to stick my body in there and take on a linebacker to protect my quarterback, that’s what I’m going to do.”

Although the full-house backfield may not be able to offer Powell many touches in 2011, he sees himself making plays in other areas.

“I’m leaning towards special teams,” he said. “A couple of guys told me that coming in as a rookie, special teams is something I should lean on. I’ve got my mind set on that.”

Humility is the perfect word to describe the 22-year-old. Quick to deflect praise toward his teammates and eager to accept any role the coaching staff may bestow upon him, Powell understands the role of a rookie in the NFL.

“I’m excited about him,” said Lynn. “He’s on the runway.”

Just another Jet waiting to take off.

Good stuff here. I think if he wants to be active this season he's going to need to be a ST contributor, because there is a big void on ST with Ihedigbo (probably) and Brad Smith leaving. If he can make himself invaluable on specials I wouldn't be surprised if he periodically gets touches.

 

[Moonlight]

Powell Update

http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-1/Bilal-Powell-Begins-to-Make-His-Presence-Felt/fd4dcc01-4105-460d-a88f-07392981daf4

Buried on depth chart

Bilal Powell Begins to Make His Presence Felt

By Andrew LeRay

Posted 1 hour ago

aaOne day at a time. That’s how Bilal Powell has approached his first NFL training camp.

As the Jets' fourth-round pick out of Louisville, the rookie has entered a crowded backfield brimming with talent. Stalwarts Shonn Greene and LaDainian Tomlinson are set to see a majority of the carries, and second-year back Joe McKnight figures to have an increased workload.

As a result, Powell has not seen much action in team drills. But despite his lack of touches, he has found ways to make his presence felt to the Jets’ staff.

“I think we’re just now starting to see why we took Powell as high as we did,” said head coach Rex Ryan during Tuesday’s news conference. “He’s got some great running skills, and he’s a tough kid.”

The soft-spoken Powell is coming off a senior campaign at Louisville where he rushed for 1,405 yards and 11 touchdowns on 229 carries, dramatically improving on his 108-carry, 392-yard junior season. The sudden spike in numbers intrigued NFL scouts who were already impressed with his size, athleticism and physical play.

With some coaching, many believed the 5’10”, 204-pound Powell could become a productive back in the NFL. Since entering camp, the Jets' two RB incumbents have helped Powell potentially become an impact player.

“Every little detail counts on this level,” said Powell. “I think LT and Shonn are doing a great job of teaching me the offense.”

Working with Tomlinson has been an experience that Powell particularly cherishes.

“It’s crazy because LT was one of the running backs I liked growing up,” said Powell. “Getting a chance to come in, learn from him, see how a future Hall of Famer practices and works and how he approaches things is just a blessing for me.”

Ryan has already made it clear that the Jets plan on throwing the ball more often this season. Running backs coach Anthony Lynn says his players are essential means to that end by protecting the pocket and providing a safe outlet for QB Mark Sanchez. Conveniently, Powell excels at both.

“Bilal is a sharp kid and he’s a hard worker,” said Lynn. “He’s pretty explosive. He can catch the ball better than I thought he could.”

Powell has never been afraid to absorb some contact. He revels in the opportunity to take on pass rushers and provide blitz pickup in the pass game.

“I’m just being selfless when it comes to my teammates,” said Powell. “If I have to stick my body in there and take on a linebacker to protect my quarterback, that’s what I’m going to do.”

Although the full-house backfield may not be able to offer Powell many touches in 2011, he sees himself making plays in other areas.

“I’m leaning towards special teams,” he said. “A couple of guys told me that coming in as a rookie, special teams is something I should lean on. I’ve got my mind set on that.”

Humility is the perfect word to describe the 22-year-old. Quick to deflect praise toward his teammates and eager to accept any role the coaching staff may bestow upon him, Powell understands the role of a rookie in the NFL.

“I’m excited about him,” said Lynn. “He’s on the runway.”

Just another Jet waiting to take off.

 

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Sorry posting from my iPhon

Nice article about how Revis has taken Wilson under his arm this year

I like Wilson and expect strides that may allowt them to cut Cromartie at some point during his contract

Also read yesterday that the Jets max offset to Nmandi was $30 for 3 years because they wante to keep it under the average salary of the Revi contract.

This being the downside to constantly stating that your guy is having the best guy in the league. So basically Ryan's mouth cost them Nmandi.

you just keep hanging you hat on that. Charles Woodson will hang his on his Lombardi and Defensive MVP trophy.

Are you pissing in the Jets thread?

Who cares? They didn't lose Aso cuz of Ryans mouth and no one in the league takes Woodson straight up over Revis as we sit here today....

Piss somewhere else.

I wasn't trying to, honest. But comments like that just irk me because they are basically a shot across the bow to any fan of any other team to respond in kind. Revis is awesome but he doesn't have anywhere near the resume of Woodson.

And as for Ryan, I think it is great that he is a fan favorite and I think he's hilarious but there is a reason 31 coaches don't trash talk. It is a two edged blade.

 

[TLEF316]

A shot across the bow? Nobody even mentioned Woodson before you entered the thread as far as i can see.

Every GM in the league would take Revis over Woodson. He's younger and he's better at stopping his man from catching the ball. (which i think most people would agree is the most important part of playing CB in the NFL) For the last 2 years, you've come running any time the words "Revis" and "Woodson" show up in the same thread. Better resume....I would hope so, he's played More than 3X as many seasons as Revis has.

Everyone gets it. You think Woodson is better because he records more tackles, forced fumbles and INT's. You've been saying it for 2 years now.

Woodson has been a great player for a long time. He's probably a hall of fame player. But the fact that his defensive system allows him to free lance a lot more than Revis does (thus allowing him to put up better counting numbers) doesn't make him a better player NOW.

And although he played a huge part in getting them there, you really can't seriously claim that winning a super bowl makes him a better player than Revis, can you? He's been in the league 9 years longer and he didn't even play in the 2nd half of the game.

 

[Andrew Garda]

A shot across the bow? Nobody even mentioned Woodson before you entered the thread as far as i can see. Every GM in the league would take Revis over Woodson. He's younger and he's better at stopping his man from catching the ball. (which i think most people would agree is the most important part of playing CB in the NFL) For the last 2 years, you've come running any time the words "Revis" and "Woodson" show up in the same thread. Better resume....I would hope so, he's played More than 3X as many seasons as Revis has. Everyone gets it. You think Woodson is better because he records more tackles, forced fumbles and INT's. You've been saying it for 2 years now. Woodson has been a great player for a long time. He's probably a hall of fame player. But the fact that his defensive system allows him to free lance a lot more than Revis does (thus allowing him to put up better counting numbers) doesn't make him a better player NOW. And although he played a huge part in getting them there, you really can't seriously claim that winning a super bowl makes him a better player than Revis, can you? He's been in the league 9 years longer and he didn't even play in the 2nd half of the game.

FWIW - and I hope this buttons this tangent up - but Woodson, as of now is a more COMPLETE player. That comes with experience, especially experience due to the type of D he';s in (where half the time he's essentially a linebacker).I'm pretty sure Revis would be outstanding stopping the run but he's not called to - and it's hard to do when you're 30 yards downfield with the WR1. I think Revis a far better cover corner, I think Woodson has more tools due to experience and time in. Both are outstanding. I'm not sure the point of getting your back up when it's not like Revis wasn't even in the conversation. It's not like he blew Revis out the door. By all accounts it was a close race.Also being that Woodson missed half the Super Bowl with a broken collarbone I'm not sure how much impact you can say he had beating the Steelers. If that's your criteria, Tramon Williams is better then both of them.

 

[njherdfan]

A shot across the bow? Nobody even mentioned Woodson before you entered the thread as far as i can see.

Every GM in the league would take Revis over Woodson. He's younger and he's better at stopping his man from catching the ball. (which i think most people would agree is the most important part of playing CB in the NFL) For the last 2 years, you've come running any time the words "Revis" and "Woodson" show up in the same thread. Better resume....I would hope so, he's played More than 3X as many seasons as Revis has.

Everyone gets it. You think Woodson is better because he records more tackles, forced fumbles and INT's. You've been saying it for 2 years now.

Woodson has been a great player for a long time. He's probably a hall of fame player. But the fact that his defensive system allows him to free lance a lot more than Revis does (thus allowing him to put up better counting numbers) doesn't make him a better player NOW.

And although he played a huge part in getting them there, you really can't seriously claim that winning a super bowl makes him a better player than Revis, can you? He's been in the league 9 years longer and he didn't even play in the 2nd half of the game.

There's no way the Jets could win a SB w/o Revis. I think there's a lot of anti-Revis sentiment due to Ryan's continued praise of him, but that's fine, I think the Jets pass D numbers when Revis is healthy speak for themselves.

 

[njherdfan]

Good stuff here about Kyle Wilson, I'm hopeful that he'll emerge this season.

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Some players escaped to tropical islands for parts of the NFL lockout. Kyle Wilson opted for a different kind of island.

Revis Island.

In late spring, the New York Jets' second-year cornerback spent a month with the best cornerback on the planet. Darrelle Revis invited Wilson to train with him at his favorite offseason facility, Fischer Sports in Phoenix, and Wilson's bags were packed before he hung up the phone.

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Well, not really, but close. After a shaky rookie year, the Jets' 2010 first-round pick jumped at the opportunity to hang out with Revis. This was akin to an aspiring director being asked to spend a few days on the set with Clint Eastwood.

You go. You listen. You learn as much as possible.

"If you want to pick a guy to shadow to get yourself better, [Revis] isn't a bad choice," defensive coordinator Mike Pettine said Tuesday.

Say this for Wilson: He's eager to improve. He picked up and moved to Arizona, on his dime, working out with Revis and trying to think like Revis. Physical training aside, they spent an inordinate amount of time studying tape, mostly of wide receivers on the Jets' 2011 schedule.

Revis let Wilson into his world, sharing his insider secrets. He taught Wilson the importance of reading body language, how a receiver can tip his intentions. How you can tell if it's an out-breaking route by which leg is up in the receiver's stance. How you can determine if your man is the No. 1 read by his demeanor as he breaks the huddle.

Wilson went to Revis' offseason hideaway and, right there in the desert, discovered a fountain of knowledge.

"To bond with him, I thought that was big," said Wilson, who soon will be moving his locker so he can be next to Revis'. "When he called, I said I'd be there."

Wilson entered the league with a lot of hype, but he got roughed up by the Miami Dolphins in Week 3 and eventually lost his nickel-back job to Drew Coleman. More than his job, Wilson lost his confidence, according to his coaches. A cornerback without confidence is a gunslinger without a gun.

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"It got a little overwhelming for him as a rookie," Pettine said.

After the season, the Jets' coaches did an intensive breakdown of Wilson's 2010 performance, evaluating every play. Removed from the week-to-week intensity of the season, they were able to look at him objectively and they determined that it was better than they thought. Reports of his rookie struggles were "overblown," according to Pettine.

On the first day of training camp, secondary coach Dennis Thurman summoned Wilson to his office and apologized. It's not often a coach will do that, but Thurman felt it needed to be said. Wilson thanked him.

"Yeah, we lost a little confidence in him, but we were trying to win games and the expectations were high," said Thurman, explaining why Wilson dropped on the depth chart. "When we looked at the cut-ups in the offseason, we saw that Kyle played pretty well overall."

But not well enough to prevent them from re-signing Antonio Cromartie to a four-year, $32 million contract, eliminating any chance of Wilson becoming a starter. He will remain a backup, but the nickel back could end up playing half the snaps because so many teams use three-receiver offenses.

Wilson prefers not to look back on his rookie year, but when pressed, he said, "Great learning experience and two words for it: Last year.

"I know I can play," he continued. "I strive for greatness. That's all I know, that's all I've been doing my whole life. It's nothing new."

Hanging with Revis was new. From 9 to 5, every day, they pushed each other. In the weight room. On the track. In cornerback-specific drills.

"I pushed him as hard as I could and I'm going to continue to push him as much as I can," said Revis, who sees it as a pay-it-forward gesture that began with the veterans that helped him when he broke in. "I'm trying to be a good mentor, get him in the right playing mode. I want to watch him become great."

 

[TLEF316]

A shot across the bow? Nobody even mentioned Woodson before you entered the thread as far as i can see. Every GM in the league would take Revis over Woodson. He's younger and he's better at stopping his man from catching the ball. (which i think most people would agree is the most important part of playing CB in the NFL) For the last 2 years, you've come running any time the words "Revis" and "Woodson" show up in the same thread. Better resume....I would hope so, he's played More than 3X as many seasons as Revis has. Everyone gets it. You think Woodson is better because he records more tackles, forced fumbles and INT's. You've been saying it for 2 years now. Woodson has been a great player for a long time. He's probably a hall of fame player. But the fact that his defensive system allows him to free lance a lot more than Revis does (thus allowing him to put up better counting numbers) doesn't make him a better player NOW. And although he played a huge part in getting them there, you really can't seriously claim that winning a super bowl makes him a better player than Revis, can you? He's been in the league 9 years longer and he didn't even play in the 2nd half of the game.

FWIW - and I hope this buttons this tangent up - but Woodson, as of now is a more COMPLETE player. That comes with experience, especially experience due to the type of D he';s in (where half the time he's essentially a linebacker).I'm pretty sure Revis would be outstanding stopping the run but he's not called to - and it's hard to do when you're 30 yards downfield with the WR1. I think Revis a far better cover corner, I think Woodson has more tools due to experience and time in. Both are outstanding. I'm not sure the point of getting your back up when it's not like Revis wasn't even in the conversation. It's not like he blew Revis out the door. By all accounts it was a close race.Also being that Woodson missed half the Super Bowl with a broken collarbone I'm not sure how much impact you can say he had beating the Steelers. If that's your criteria, Tramon Williams is better then both of them.

Very fair all around. However, how can we really say that Revis' skillset isn't as complete as Woodson? We know Revis is a good tackler. He doesn't make a ton because of his role, but when he does hit, he hits hard and he wraps up. But as you said, most of the time, he's somewhere in the WR1's shirt when the play is made. Again, Woodson is a great, great player. I'm a big fan. Always have been. But he really isn't a true CB anymore. He's just a play maker. The Packers scheme allows him to play different spots, roll to the ball and make big plays. Revis is told "see that guy, he's yours. Go guard him" and does it better than anybody in the league. IMO, he does it better than anyone since Deion. I think its more difficult to find a guy like 2011 Revis than a guy like 2011 Woodson, but that's obviously 100% my opinion and very open for debate. Different schemes, different responsibilities. Apples and oranges. It's like comparing an elite 3-4 NT that eats up 2 defenders on every play to a disruptive 4-3 tackle who's only job is to rush the passer and get sacks.

 

[Andrew Garda]

A shot across the bow? Nobody even mentioned Woodson before you entered the thread as far as i can see. Every GM in the league would take Revis over Woodson. He's younger and he's better at stopping his man from catching the ball. (which i think most people would agree is the most important part of playing CB in the NFL) For the last 2 years, you've come running any time the words "Revis" and "Woodson" show up in the same thread. Better resume....I would hope so, he's played More than 3X as many seasons as Revis has. Everyone gets it. You think Woodson is better because he records more tackles, forced fumbles and INT's. You've been saying it for 2 years now. Woodson has been a great player for a long time. He's probably a hall of fame player. But the fact that his defensive system allows him to free lance a lot more than Revis does (thus allowing him to put up better counting numbers) doesn't make him a better player NOW. And although he played a huge part in getting them there, you really can't seriously claim that winning a super bowl makes him a better player than Revis, can you? He's been in the league 9 years longer and he didn't even play in the 2nd half of the game.

FWIW - and I hope this buttons this tangent up - but Woodson, as of now is a more COMPLETE player. That comes with experience, especially experience due to the type of D he';s in (where half the time he's essentially a linebacker).I'm pretty sure Revis would be outstanding stopping the run but he's not called to - and it's hard to do when you're 30 yards downfield with the WR1. I think Revis a far better cover corner, I think Woodson has more tools due to experience and time in. Both are outstanding. I'm not sure the point of getting your back up when it's not like Revis wasn't even in the conversation. It's not like he blew Revis out the door. By all accounts it was a close race.Also being that Woodson missed half the Super Bowl with a broken collarbone I'm not sure how much impact you can say he had beating the Steelers. If that's your criteria, Tramon Williams is better then both of them.

Very fair all around. However, how can we really say that Revis' skillset isn't as complete as Woodson? We know Revis is a good tackler. He doesn't make a ton because of his role, but when he does hit, he hits hard and he wraps up. But as you said, most of the time, he's somewhere in the WR1's shirt when the play is made. Again, Woodson is a great, great player. I'm a big fan. Always have been. But he really isn't a true CB anymore. He's just a play maker. The Packers scheme allows him to play different spots, roll to the ball and make big plays. Revis is told "see that guy, he's yours. Go guard him" and does it better than anybody in the league. IMO, he does it better than anyone since Deion. I think its more difficult to find a guy like 2011 Revis than a guy like 2011 Woodson, but that's obviously 100% my opinion and very open for debate. Different schemes, different responsibilities. Apples and oranges. It's like comparing an elite 3-4 NT that eats up 2 defenders on every play to a disruptive 4-3 tackle who's only job is to rush the passer and get sacks.

Yeah I realized later that I had replied to your quote and not Sabertooths. The above was MORE aimed at his line of thought.BUT - yeah we don't know how great Revis will be at run stuffing because it's not what they need him to do, nor ask him to. So you're correct it's hard to know if he is as 'complete' as Woodson and really it's hard to compare the two for the number of reasons you list. I happen to think I'd take either of Asomugha - I like the guy but just haven't seen the same things the last few years that I was impressed with earlier in his career. Maybe it's because nobody throws at him, but he doesn't strike me as a better cover corner or a better 'utility' guy like Woodson.And no I'm not just bitter Jets didn't get him.