And liking the signing for Branch if they don't cut him. Felt he or Butler had a good chance to start next year and I tried to get both of them in this draft. I think Burleson is going to be fine and still easily worth the draft position he was taken. I think he actually plays better opposite a true #1WR and with Pettigrew probably not 100% to start the season he should see plenty of passes.Maybe as a Lion it does? Liking the signing for Butler
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FUBAR
Footballguy
I already did not mind your QB's in the end for waiting but I cant disagree with this. Love what it does for Flacco and I still think Baltimore brings in more help with a 1st round WR or TE or that would not be surprised to see Owens in uniform
FUBAR
Footballguy
This along with Taylor signing in Chicago, you'll need a whole lot of luck here.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
menobrown4.13 - Eli Manning, NYG, QB1210.13 - Kevin Kolb, PHI, QB29I'd love to give you an incomplete. If Kolb gets the keys in Philly you are looking at a C+, but until the Grade D.1.04 - Maurice Jones-Drew, JAC, RB42.13 - Jamaal Charles, KC, RB1211.04 - Leon Washington, NYJ, RB5012.13 - Dexter McCluster, ®, RB5319.04 - Montario Hardesty, ®, RB73I think each of your first three RB picks offered huge value. Perfect sceonario to gobble up some rookie talent. Grade A+5.04 - Hakeem Nicks, NYG, WR266.13 - Steve Breaston, ARI, WR378.13 - Chaz Schilens, OAK, WR509.04 - Devin Hester, CHI, WR5213.04 - Arrelious Benn, ®, WR7418.13 - Deion Branch, SEA, WR8920.13 - Jacoby Ford, ®, WR103This group really scares me in a bad way. Your top four will have weeks where they do nothing. If those align you're cooked. You'll need Branch and the rooks to contribute. Grade D-3.04 - Jermichael Finley, GB, TE57.04 - Chris Cooley, WAS, TE13Another position where you scooped up value. You amass some huge points here. Grade A16.13 - Shayne Graham, CIN, K2217.04 - Jason Hanson, DET, K23Graham should latch on somewhere. Grade D14.13 - Bears, CHI, D1215.04 - Texans, HOU, D14I think the Texans are undervalued. Peppers should help the Bears D. Grade A.I think you made some outstanding picks. I don't like how unbalanced this team is. I see you leaving lots of points on the bench at RB and TE. You'll score enough there to hang around for awhile, but everything will have to go right for you to take a title. Normally I would give a team like this an average grade, but your the MacDaddy of survivor and I have to defer to you excellence. Grade B-
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
BnB - thoughts?
Thanks for the writeup and I agree with most of it. While I probably like my WR's more than anyone else even I know they are shaky and could tear the team apart and if Kolb does not get a starting job it looks like I could be weak at two key positions. Also Charles is going to lose a lot of value if they bring in Thomas Jones so at this point a B- is probably being kind but I'll take it.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
joneszin for another draft...........
Toads
Footballguy
Soon. 
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
Edited to reflect the changes in team affiliation for lots of players. If any omissions/mistakes, let me know.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
BassNBrew
6.14 - Matt Leinart, ARI, QB16 6
8.14 - David Garrard, JAC, QB20 9
9.03 - Alex Smith, SF, QB21 9
1.03 - Ray Rice, BAL, RB3 8
5.03 - Felix Jones, DAL, RB23 4
7.03 - Marion Barber III, DAL, RB33 4
18.14 - LenDale White, TEN, RB70 9
2.14 - DeSean Jackson, PHI, WR12 8
3.03 - Sidney Rice, MIN, WR14 4
4.14 - Dwayne Bowe, KC, WR21 4
11.03 - Nate Burleson, SEA, WR62 7
13.03 - Josh Morgan, SF, WR73 9
19.03 - Legedu Naanee, SD, WR91 10
10.14 - Todd Heap, BAL, TE22 8
17.03 - Dante Rosario, CAR, TE33 6
20.14 - Bo Scaife, TEN, TE35 9
14.14 - Stephen Gostkowski, NE, K5 5
15.03 - Ryan Longwell, MIN, K9 4
12.14 - Cowboys, DAL, D7 4
16.14 - Seahawks, SEA, D24 5
Six players off week 4. All D's and K's off weeks 4/5. A little troubling, but at least it's early.
6.14 - Matt Leinart, ARI, QB16 6
8.14 - David Garrard, JAC, QB20 9
9.03 - Alex Smith, SF, QB21 9
1.03 - Ray Rice, BAL, RB3 8
5.03 - Felix Jones, DAL, RB23 4
7.03 - Marion Barber III, DAL, RB33 4
18.14 - LenDale White, TEN, RB70 9
2.14 - DeSean Jackson, PHI, WR12 8
3.03 - Sidney Rice, MIN, WR14 4
4.14 - Dwayne Bowe, KC, WR21 4
11.03 - Nate Burleson, SEA, WR62 7
13.03 - Josh Morgan, SF, WR73 9
19.03 - Legedu Naanee, SD, WR91 10
10.14 - Todd Heap, BAL, TE22 8
17.03 - Dante Rosario, CAR, TE33 6
20.14 - Bo Scaife, TEN, TE35 9
14.14 - Stephen Gostkowski, NE, K5 5
15.03 - Ryan Longwell, MIN, K9 4
12.14 - Cowboys, DAL, D7 4
16.14 - Seahawks, SEA, D24 5
Six players off week 4. All D's and K's off weeks 4/5. A little troubling, but at least it's early.
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
The following players and team affiliations have been up-dated:
Rackers - HOU
Burleson - DET
Bryant - CIN
Bell - PHI
Ginn - SF
Holt - NE
Marshall - MIA
Scheffler - DET
Holmes - NYJ
Ruffrodys05
3.01 - Philip Rivers, SD, QB5 (10)
12.16 - Jimmy Clausen, ®, QB34 (?)
1.01 - Chris Johnson, TEN, RB1 (9)
7.01 - Thomas Jones, KC, RB31 (4)
8.16 - Ryan Matthews, SD, RB42 (10)
13.01 - Brian Westbrook, FA, RB54 (?)
18.16 - Leonard Weaver, PHI, RB72 (8)
4.16 - Jeremy Maclin, PHI, WR23 (8)
5.01 - Hines Ward, PIT, WR24 (5)
6.16 - Kenny Britt, TEN, WR38 (9)
9.01 - James Jones, GB, WR51 (10)
10.16 - Johnny Knox, CHI, WR60 (8)
19.01 - Harry Douglas, ATL, WR90 (8)
2.16 - Tony Gonzalez, ATL, TE4 (8)
11.01 - Fred Davis, WAS, TE23 (9)
20.16 - Rob Gronkowski, ®,TE36 (?)
14.16 - Neil Rackers, HOU, K6 (7)
15.01 - Robbie Gould, CHI, K7 (8)
16.16 - Jaguars, JAC, D26 (9)
17.01 - Rams, STL, D27 (9)
Doesn't look like I have any major issues, although I'll be going without a D in week 9 if my team survives that far.
Rackers - HOU
Burleson - DET
Bryant - CIN
Bell - PHI
Ginn - SF
Holt - NE
Marshall - MIA
Scheffler - DET
Holmes - NYJ
Ruffrodys05
3.01 - Philip Rivers, SD, QB5 (10)
12.16 - Jimmy Clausen, ®, QB34 (?)
1.01 - Chris Johnson, TEN, RB1 (9)
7.01 - Thomas Jones, KC, RB31 (4)
8.16 - Ryan Matthews, SD, RB42 (10)
13.01 - Brian Westbrook, FA, RB54 (?)
18.16 - Leonard Weaver, PHI, RB72 (8)
4.16 - Jeremy Maclin, PHI, WR23 (8)
5.01 - Hines Ward, PIT, WR24 (5)
6.16 - Kenny Britt, TEN, WR38 (9)
9.01 - James Jones, GB, WR51 (10)
10.16 - Johnny Knox, CHI, WR60 (8)
19.01 - Harry Douglas, ATL, WR90 (8)
2.16 - Tony Gonzalez, ATL, TE4 (8)
11.01 - Fred Davis, WAS, TE23 (9)
20.16 - Rob Gronkowski, ®,TE36 (?)
14.16 - Neil Rackers, HOU, K6 (7)
15.01 - Robbie Gould, CHI, K7 (8)
16.16 - Jaguars, JAC, D26 (9)
17.01 - Rams, STL, D27 (9)
Doesn't look like I have any major issues, although I'll be going without a D in week 9 if my team survives that far.
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Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
The following players were edited:
J. Campbell - OAK
L. Washington - SEA
L. White - SEA
In addition, rookies have also been edited.
RB - Mathews in San Diego was where I thought (& hoped) he might land, although I would have been happy with just about any of the other teams that were hyped as suitors, except maybe Houston because of the huge possibility of a RBBC being used there even with Mathews. I think he'll be a solid RB2 when paired with Johnson. Plus, Norv just said today that he expects Mathews to get 250 carries and 40 receptions. While KC added Dexter McCluster, they intend to use him as a slot WR per a report Saturday, which leads me to believe Jones remains another solid RB2 in this format. Westbrook still has yet to sign anywhere but it looks more and more like he will land in St. Louis, which I think will be a good spot for him to be able to contribute without taking too much punishment. Westbrook could help me out a couple of weeks.
TE - New England was a great spot for Gronkowski to land and it may have saved my TE group from sucking as a whole. While he is listed behind Crumpler on the current depth chart I think he easily overtakes him in TC. Granted, NE/Brady rarely look to the TE as a receiving workhorse, but with Welker out I think they will be more likely to look there, more often, early in the 2010 season. I know some will say that Gronkowski is more of a blocker and the other rookie picked by NE, Hernandez, is more of a pure pass-catcher and thus likelier to get those looks instead. Either way, Gronkowski was a throw in towards the end of this draft and IF he provides me with anything it will be a nice surprise.
J. Campbell - OAK
L. Washington - SEA
L. White - SEA
In addition, rookies have also been edited.
Edit: Thoughts on my Rookies: QB - I really thought Clausen would land somewhere that he would immediately start. Going to the Panthers, I'm not so sure he can beat out Moore for the job. If this team gets through week 10 I'll be happy.
RB - Mathews in San Diego was where I thought (& hoped) he might land, although I would have been happy with just about any of the other teams that were hyped as suitors, except maybe Houston because of the huge possibility of a RBBC being used there even with Mathews. I think he'll be a solid RB2 when paired with Johnson. Plus, Norv just said today that he expects Mathews to get 250 carries and 40 receptions. While KC added Dexter McCluster, they intend to use him as a slot WR per a report Saturday, which leads me to believe Jones remains another solid RB2 in this format. Westbrook still has yet to sign anywhere but it looks more and more like he will land in St. Louis, which I think will be a good spot for him to be able to contribute without taking too much punishment. Westbrook could help me out a couple of weeks.
TE - New England was a great spot for Gronkowski to land and it may have saved my TE group from sucking as a whole. While he is listed behind Crumpler on the current depth chart I think he easily overtakes him in TC. Granted, NE/Brady rarely look to the TE as a receiving workhorse, but with Welker out I think they will be more likely to look there, more often, early in the 2010 season. I know some will say that Gronkowski is more of a blocker and the other rookie picked by NE, Hernandez, is more of a pure pass-catcher and thus likelier to get those looks instead. Either way, Gronkowski was a throw in towards the end of this draft and IF he provides me with anything it will be a nice surprise.
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Stinkin Ref
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Post Draft/Bye Week Announcement/Trades Edit
Stinkin Ref
3.10 - Matt Schaub, HOU, QB6 (7)
4.07 - Donovan McNabb, WAS, QB10 (9)
I feel McNabb's value takes a hit with the move to WAS. Leaving behind a better group of weapons than what he has now. At the time of this draft (this pick) it wasn't so clear that he was going to be gone, but should have seen the writing on the wall. There are definately a few QB's I would rather have now, including Kolb, especially with burning a 4th rounder. But still a pretty good pairing here and no bye week issues. Barring injury, will have two to chose from for the first 7 weeks.
5.10 - Jerome Harrison, CLE, RB26 (8)
7.10 - Jonathan Dwyer, PIT, RB35 (5)
9.10 - Laurence Maroney, NE, RB44 (5)
10.07 - Cadillac Williams, TB, RB49 (4)
13.10 - Joe McKnight, NYJ, RB56 (7)
16.07 - Willie Parker, WAS, RB60 (9)
Still hate this group. Would have liked to see McNight land somewhere without two guys ahead of him, but maybe he can still get some time on a team that likes to run. Dwyer's stock really fell, but he ends up in an interesting situation. He could end up RB2 on Pitt by the time the season starts and Pitt won't want to run Mendy into the ground, so he could see some action. Need Caddy to have a nice year, and FWP is nothing but a wildcard at this point and not a real soild 16th round pick. Hardesty may also hurt Harrison's value. I learned a little bit and will most likely get my lunch handed to me because of my poor drafting at this position.
1.10 - Randy Moss, NE, WR3 (5)
6.07 - Terrell Owens, FA, WR35 (?)
8.07 - Devin Aromashodu, CHI, WR47 (8)
11.10 - Mario Manningham, NYG, WR65 (8)
12.07 - Demaryius Thomas, DEN, WR72 (9)
19.10 - Damian Williams, TEN, WR93 (9)
I like this group. Depending on where TO ends up I might like it even better. Really need him to not have a week 8 or 9 bye week. Thomas goes to a good/great spot. Williams also lands in a decent spot as far as seeing the field, however I hate having to count on VY to get the ball to my WR. These two rookies might actually contribute pretty quickly.
2.07 - Jason Witten, DAL, TE3 (4)
14.07 - Aaron Hernandez, NE, TE31 (5)
Dez will demand some balls in Dallas, but also could open things up a little more for Witten. Still don't like my Hernandez pick, but if he was going to go somewhere, it could have been worse. Crumpler and Gronkowski aren't really huge pass catching threats, so I think Hernandez could see some time. They spent a 4th on him, so hopefully he gets in the mix.
15.10 - Matt Prater, DEN, K13 (9)
17.10 - Olindo Mare, SEA, K25 (5)
Two solid guys, job security, no bye week issues.
18.07 - Raiders, OAK, D30 (10)
20.07 - Lions, DET, D32 (7)
No bye week issues and both teams appeared to have upgraded their defensive units and possibly special teams.
Overall: RB's and the Hernandez pick will kill me, but maybe my QB's, WR's, and Witten can keep me in the hunt.
Stinkin Ref
3.10 - Matt Schaub, HOU, QB6 (7)
4.07 - Donovan McNabb, WAS, QB10 (9)
I feel McNabb's value takes a hit with the move to WAS. Leaving behind a better group of weapons than what he has now. At the time of this draft (this pick) it wasn't so clear that he was going to be gone, but should have seen the writing on the wall. There are definately a few QB's I would rather have now, including Kolb, especially with burning a 4th rounder. But still a pretty good pairing here and no bye week issues. Barring injury, will have two to chose from for the first 7 weeks.
5.10 - Jerome Harrison, CLE, RB26 (8)
7.10 - Jonathan Dwyer, PIT, RB35 (5)
9.10 - Laurence Maroney, NE, RB44 (5)
10.07 - Cadillac Williams, TB, RB49 (4)
13.10 - Joe McKnight, NYJ, RB56 (7)
16.07 - Willie Parker, WAS, RB60 (9)
Still hate this group. Would have liked to see McNight land somewhere without two guys ahead of him, but maybe he can still get some time on a team that likes to run. Dwyer's stock really fell, but he ends up in an interesting situation. He could end up RB2 on Pitt by the time the season starts and Pitt won't want to run Mendy into the ground, so he could see some action. Need Caddy to have a nice year, and FWP is nothing but a wildcard at this point and not a real soild 16th round pick. Hardesty may also hurt Harrison's value. I learned a little bit and will most likely get my lunch handed to me because of my poor drafting at this position.
1.10 - Randy Moss, NE, WR3 (5)
6.07 - Terrell Owens, FA, WR35 (?)
8.07 - Devin Aromashodu, CHI, WR47 (8)
11.10 - Mario Manningham, NYG, WR65 (8)
12.07 - Demaryius Thomas, DEN, WR72 (9)
19.10 - Damian Williams, TEN, WR93 (9)
I like this group. Depending on where TO ends up I might like it even better. Really need him to not have a week 8 or 9 bye week. Thomas goes to a good/great spot. Williams also lands in a decent spot as far as seeing the field, however I hate having to count on VY to get the ball to my WR. These two rookies might actually contribute pretty quickly.
2.07 - Jason Witten, DAL, TE3 (4)
14.07 - Aaron Hernandez, NE, TE31 (5)
Dez will demand some balls in Dallas, but also could open things up a little more for Witten. Still don't like my Hernandez pick, but if he was going to go somewhere, it could have been worse. Crumpler and Gronkowski aren't really huge pass catching threats, so I think Hernandez could see some time. They spent a 4th on him, so hopefully he gets in the mix.
15.10 - Matt Prater, DEN, K13 (9)
17.10 - Olindo Mare, SEA, K25 (5)
Two solid guys, job security, no bye week issues.
18.07 - Raiders, OAK, D30 (10)
20.07 - Lions, DET, D32 (7)
No bye week issues and both teams appeared to have upgraded their defensive units and possibly special teams.
Overall: RB's and the Hernandez pick will kill me, but maybe my QB's, WR's, and Witten can keep me in the hunt.
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