Is anyone going to be upset if I put Antonio Brown and ODB on my board ahead of Julio for 2016?
If they are all healthy, flip a coin every week. Doesn't really matter who anyone has ranked ahead of the other when it comes to those 3.
WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING HIM!?!?
I don't know if semantics is the right word but I get his point. The conversation can't move forward because you are so intent on holding him to this red zone targets statement.I haven't pored over his posts but I got the gist of it. Chaka more or less was saying take heed because in the Shanny offense, for whatever reason, the usage doesn't translate to touchdowns. It was something that caught my attention and it kind of played out that way.
Do you want to keep revisiting the targets point or do you want to see if there is maybe a reason for the number one wide receiver in this offense to not be getting as many touchdowns? We can talk about how that is not the case but let's not keep stalling any thoughtful conversation.
You get his straw man point. The actual point is in the very first link I posted above, in the multiple other links I gave, and in several other posts that I didn't link but are all there in black and white- red zone, red zone, goal line, red zone, etc. That was what started this silly debate and what it has always been about, despite his efforts to spin in into something else. If after the initial exchange he had just said something like "interesting, I didn't realize that Shanny actually has targeted his #1 guy a lot in the red zone", we would have moved on long ago. I am done with that topic however, facts are facts and I'm not going to waste anymore time trying to prove to him that water is indeed wet.
Moving on to TDs, I gave some thoughts on that
here. In past years, part of it is that Shanny really hasn't had much to work with- a washed up McNabb and Rex Grossman to an aging Santana Moss in 2010, Rex Grossman and John Beck to Jabbar Gaffney in 2011, rookie RGIII to an injured Garcon in 2012, Bryan Hoyer to Andrew Hawkins in 2014, etc. Schaub and Sage Rosenfels to AJ was easily his best combination, and while he didn't get him to 10 TDs he did get him to his highest TD total (9), and he averaged ~3.5 more TDs per season under Shanny than he did under all of the other OCs in his career.
For this year, it's hard to pinpoint one exact reason. Ryan certainly regressed some- he had the lowest QBR since his 2nd year, and went from having one of the best ratings in the red zone to one of the worst. He said recently that the new offense was
"too much" for him at times. They had 7 more turnovers than last year (net turnovers went from +5 to -7), including several in the red zone (Ryan had 5 INTs in the red zone alone). Despite having 32 more receptions on the year, Julio had 6 fewer catches of 20+ yards and didn't get his 1st TD on a ball thrown more than 20 yards in the air until week 16. He only averaged 10.33 air yards per target, which 46th in the league. Etc.
As a Julio owner in dynasty, I'm ecstatic with the season and excited with how it finished so strongly. Having Shanahan as his OC is a major plus- I really hope he sticks around, I'd love to see what he can do with another year in the system.