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Footballguy
that's where i was originally. they play the texans in week four, and might actually win that game.
cstu
Footballguy
Couple things:He's horrible and he made me want to break things while he was at FSU. I am truly sorry for Bills fans.
Noles have won 15 straight since he left.
- If Benjamin doesn't catch that last second TD then FSU was exactly one game better than with Manuel the year before.
- and if in 2012 Glennon doesn't throw a TD on 4th down with 16 seconds left then they have the same record.
Premier
Footballguy
Boy you are really reaching here.Couple things:He's horrible and he made me want to break things while he was at FSU. I am truly sorry for Bills fans.
Noles have won 15 straight since he left.
- If Benjamin doesn't catch that last second TD then FSU was exactly one game better than with Manuel the year before.
- and if in 2012 Glennon doesn't throw a TD on 4th down with 16 seconds left then they have the same record.
Let me correct you:You mean if Winston doesn't make the throw to Benjamin that EJ never in a million years could make?
And for the Glennon game, Jameis played at such a high level that they were never in that position during the regular-season, which they frequently were with EJ. They also almost lost in 2012 to a weak Virginia Tech team on the road.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I will say he played a lot better than I expected. It was a solid performance from what I saw.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Manuel made one bad play, but otherwise was pretty well on target. Even better is that he was making his reads and making the right read. Not too much staring down receivers either. And he wasn't just dumping it off. He was making a lot of great throws downfield.
cstu
Footballguy
I knew you were going to come back with that, but hey, I tried.Boy you are really reaching here.Couple things:He's horrible and he made me want to break things while he was at FSU. I am truly sorry for Bills fans.
Noles have won 15 straight since he left.
- If Benjamin doesn't catch that last second TD then FSU was exactly one game better than with Manuel the year before.
- and if in 2012 Glennon doesn't throw a TD on 4th down with 16 seconds left then they have the same record.
You mean if Winston doesn't make the throw to Benjamin that EJ never in a million years could make?
And for the Glennon game, Jameis played at such a high level that they were never in that position during the regular-season, which they frequently were with EJ. They also almost lost in 2012 to a weak Virginia Tech team on the road.
lod01
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Faust
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EJ Manuel's speech 'fired up' Buffalo Bills before win:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000391426/article/ej-manuels-speech-fired-up-buffalo-bills-before-win
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000391426/article/ej-manuels-speech-fired-up-buffalo-bills-before-win
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Grigs Allmoon
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I don't know who's idea it was to draft Cousins after already taking RG3, but man was it brilliant.Raider Nation said:
Don Quixote
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 24s
The #Bills announce that Kyle Orton will start at QB. 2013 first-rounder EJ Manuel has been benched.
The #Bills announce that Kyle Orton will start at QB. 2013 first-rounder EJ Manuel has been benched.
Socrates11
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It's the correct move here. I want to see EJ succeed, but for whatever reason he's too erratic and inconsistent. Orton isn't likely to set the world on fire either, but he's competent enough to steady the ship and hopefully give EJ some time to try and find his game.
EJ Manuel isn't an NFL-caliber QB....They made a huge mistake 2 yrs ago. At least they're finally owning up to it.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I need to eat some Crow. I really thought Manuel was going to be good.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
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Joe Summer
Footballguy
Wow. Orton has only been with the team for 4 weeks.
Donnybrook
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Premier
Footballguy
I have no idea who you are.And the pass pro was really good yesterday.Yeah but you also said that the Tampa Oline would be fine.
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huge mistake?Da Gildz said:
they traded down and still got Kiko Alonso in the deal. The Rams traded up for Tavon Austin.
I'd still rather have the Bills side of the trade even if Manuel never plays another snap.
It was definitely a mistake, but the other guy everybody thought they should take that year was Geno Smith. Doubt that would have worked out much better.
In a list of Bills draft day mistakes, I'm not sure this ranks that highly as the Bills have made a ton.
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
Yeah that's fine. My bad I shouldn't have mentioned that in this thread
And no it wasn't.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Agreed. Trying to find a franchise QB when you don't have one is never a mistake, even if it doesn't work out ex post.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Manuel wasn't ever a franchise qb, he was an over drafted project. If they didn't like any of the qb's then do what the jags did last year and build depth, look for the franchise qb later.Drafting Manuel was a crippling mistake, it cost all of these guys their job (eventually). When all is said and done they will have wasted three, maybe four, years because of that pick. That's near the top of the list.
Dynasty Walkers
Footballguy
so taking Tavon Austin 8th overall would have helped them keep their jobs longer? That argument makes zero sense.
8th - Tavon Austin
9th - Dee Milliner
10th - Chance Warmack
11th - DJ Fluker
12th - DJ Hayden
13th - Sheldon Richardson
14th - Star Lotulelei
15th - Kenny Vaccaro
17th - Jarvis Jones
18th - Eric Reid
19th - Justin Pugh
20th - Kyle Long
21st - Tyler Eifert
22nd - Desmond Trufant
23rd - Shariff Floyd
24th - Bjorn Werner
not a ton of hits in here and probably too soon to tell on many. do these GMs and coaches also (hypothetically) lose their jobs for drafting busts? why does drafting a bust at QB hurt their chances of keeping their jobs more than drafting a bust at another position would?
how does anyone in Miami survive the trade up and selection of Dion Jordan 3rd overall that year, btw?
In 2013, Bills also drafted these guys:
Robert Woods
Kiko Alonso
Marquise Goodwin
Duke Williams
taking EJ looks like a bad move, but it's not like the guy they would have taken instead was guaranteed to be a big contributor.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
if you get qb wrong your franchise is set back years, not enough time to turn it around before losing your job...if you get another position wrong you will have mulligan opportunities, a lot more of them of you get qb right.
they already moved on to Orton. How are they set back several years?
This thinking is not uncommon, but it just doesn't work here. You want to hit on as many picks as possible, and you really really want to hit on a QB. So, taking a chance on a QB that doesn't pan out doesn't kill you unless you let it. I was one of many who thought the Bills should have not been afraid to take another QB in this year's class until they felt comfortable they had an answer at the position. But, Orton is a decent bridge option who can hold things down until they find a QB of the future if necessary.
team is fine. this whole doom and gloom stuff is overblown. not like Manuel's contract is a huge albatross under the current CBA either. he was taken 16th overall. TONS of players taken in that part of the draft don't pan out.
the bigger mistake the Bills made was not taking a chance on Russell Wilson and grabbing TJ Graham over him, but they weren't the only team to write him off for being too short. They were also unfortunate in that they decided to move on from Fitzgerald during the weakest QB class in years.
if picking the wrong QB is a guaranteed ticket to getting fired, why would anyone ever draft a QB? Just keep drafting RBs and CBs in the first round like the Bills tend to do, and I guess all the experts of the world won't mind when the team misses the playoffs for 2 decades in a row.
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Don Quixote
Footballguy
The epitaphs seem a bit premature to me. There have been a lot of QBs who were terrible their first couple of years before having nice careers. Drew Brees was benched for Flutie in his 2nd year too.
Maybe he ends up out of the league in a couple of years like Freeman or Young, but he at least seems to have a better head than them.
Maybe he ends up out of the league in a couple of years like Freeman or Young, but he at least seems to have a better head than them.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Foles was drafted a few picks after Wilson, too. And Cousins - who has his own question marks but I think he's better than Manuel at the moment - was an early 4th.
Hindsight is 20/20.
heck, lots of people thought the Bills might reach for Nassib last year too. No idea how that would have worked out, but probably not any better than EJ or Geno would have. Maybe someone will emerge but it just felt like a terrible class.
They definitely should have grabbed somebody a year earlier as everybody could see that Fitz wasn't the answer and it would have been nice to groom one of those guys to take over instead of being forced to take a QB in 2013. Like I said, I think the mistake was passing on a QB in 2012. They could have taken any of the guys in 2013 and stuck with Fitz and they wouldn't be much better or worse than they are now probably.
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Couldn't possibly have been worse- I still think they should have taken him in the 4th.
MAC_32
Footballguy
last year is gone, this year will be, next year new regime with no first round pick - gone, so we are at 2016 at the earliest. Then you're looking at what Jacksonville is now. So, 2017, likely.
MAC_32
Footballguy
the problem is his staff will be replaced, he will get a shot from the next one just like Gabbert did with Gus last year because they can't draft a replacement but to say they aren't married to him would be a great understatement.
how is this year gone? they are 2-2 and 1-0 in the division.
You think there's 0% chance Orton will play well?
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
The Vikings coaching staff coached all three QBs mentioned in the senior bowl but they passed because they were still developing Ponder. If Manual is the not the answer, then I applaud the Bills for not having the blinders on for next years draft.
MAC_32
Footballguy
this goes a lot further than just Orton, it is the mismanagement of the qb position from their decision makers. Tells me they have no idea what they're doing. Give up next years one to get primary weapon for Manuel, all in for this year. Then don't address qb, stick with guys that are already here. Then watch those backups, who they have seen before, suck in camp and get cut. Leaving Manuel as the last man standing. But it's ok, here's their guy, and they're going to build around him. Then they bring in a vet off the street ten days before the season starts. One that caused a shouting match between Marrone and the front office. Four weeks later at 2-2 and the franchise qb is now gone for that guy that was on the street a month ago. All with an ownership change looming in the background.If you have faith in the guys running that I think you're nuts.
MAC_32
Footballguy
you want the gm that has completely botched the most important position on the team to stick around?
There have been mistakes made for sure. However, Whaley and Marrone are really only in year 2 at this point. Whaley was aggressive on draft day with the move up for Watkins, and he was aggressive in paying Orton $5MM/year to provide insurance at QB when they realized Thad Lewis wasn't good enough. I give Marrone credit for realizing EJ was holding the team back and making the change now. I fully expected him to stubbornly stick with EJ and probably tank the season as a result. So, while they have made mistakes, it looks to me like they are at least not continuing to make the same mistake over and over again.
Bills fans are used to losing. I'd rather see a front office make mistakes of aggression like this than letting all our best players walk in free agency and drafting another RB or CB in round 1. The old regimes tried the whole plan of building depth elsewhere and trying to get by at QB with guys like Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Kelly Holcomb, etc. They also failed with a 1st round QB in JP Losman, and didn't have a ton of success with Drew Bledsoe either.
I like the defense this team has right now and I think it's good enough to carry the team at times. The running game also should be solid. This team isn't a complete mess just because EJ Manuel isn't living up to his 1st round draft status early in year 2. Maybe if they were about to turn things over to Jeff Tuel, it would be. But Orton is competent and experienced and it will be interesting to see how he does.
#1 I don't think he's botched it. We can't know that until we see how Orton does.
#2 I like most of the moves he's made, so yes. Definitely.
#3 It doesn't matter what I want. It matters what the new ownership will do, and I'm pretty sure Terry isn't going to clean house when he takes over.
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Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
I'm with you. There's so many mixed messages and a lack of direction in there it ties you in knots.
But I do think the whole ownership situation has made a lot of it happen.
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