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QB Jameis Winston, NO (8 Viewers)
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Quez, I bet you are correct that someone has all the information from Kinsman's social media accounts, her cell phone, etc. The startling thing is that investigators sought all of that info from Kinsman, yet didn't seek similar evidence from Winston, Cashner, and Darby, i.e., the PD spent more time/ effort investigating (or trying to discredit) the victim than they did the accused. In fact, Cashner admitted to having video of the entire incident, which was, of course, conveniently deleted before the authorities could secure it. Face it, this thing stinks of police incompetence and, worse, corruption.Quez said:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/16/sports/errors-in-inquiry-on-rape-allegations-against-fsu-jameis-winston.html?_r=0
Grahamburn
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I can't wait for touchdown passes.
cstu
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Casher recorded it and claimed it had what you said, but erased the video and destroyed/lost his phone.
Kinsman never said was choked or was screaming.
Grahamburn
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Capella
Footballguy
I like to think that he is constantly starting at new websites with a giant magnifying glass and a detective's hat.
"We'll solve this mystery eventually Penny!"
rustycolts
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I have pulled for FSU in the past and still do,just not when they are playing the Gators.Gators biggest rival is Georgia if you ask me.Some great athletes have come out of FSU Charlie Ward for example.I enjoy following them through out their career along with ones out of UF. My problem is with the person and its been discussed ad nauseam. So I will just wait until the whole story is finished and then if I have to eat crow I will. Cstu all FSU fans are not jerks some can be over zealous but hey so are the majority of Gator fans.
SaintsInDome2006
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Is there a separate thread where folks talk about how Winston looks in rookie camp & OTAs, or is this it?
SacramentoBob
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cstu
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Stealthycat
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After the Duke Lacrosse fiasco and false accusations leading to the destruction of those young men's lives simply because they were white, she was blak, they had money and she didn't .... and her lies ....
I don't judge quickly.
Winston is exactly the type of person through his actions that would rape a woman. Nothing Winston has screams a good decent human being. I believe her and he will be found guilty of raping her in a civil court and he'd have been found guilty too in regular court had the police in that town not wanted a Championship
I don't judge quickly.
Winston is exactly the type of person through his actions that would rape a woman. Nothing Winston has screams a good decent human being. I believe her and he will be found guilty of raping her in a civil court and he'd have been found guilty too in regular court had the police in that town not wanted a Championship
Grahamburn
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I'm pretty sure we've been through this.
Capella
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werdnoynek
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Should have had him saying FHRITP in the end.
matuski
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Good call not requiring him to talk.
gump
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He'll be talking plenty after all those wins and TDs.matuski said:Good call not requiring him to talk.
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Insoxicated
Wait, I thought he was drafted by Tampa Bay?He'll be talking plenty after all those wins and TDs.matuski said:Good call not requiring him to talk.
Faust
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Bucs HC Lovie Smith: We have to tell Jameis Winston when to go home
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25198739/lovie-smith-we-have-to-tell-jameis-winston-when-to-go-home
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25198739/lovie-smith-we-have-to-tell-jameis-winston-when-to-go-home
werdnoynek
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Capella
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It's more what everybody else is saying.Great to hear he is looking good so far. That being said, what is the HC going to say this soon after the draft? "We made a huge mistake drafting him and he is going to be a bust?"
lod01
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It's a good thing everything is in place for him to succeed. Top talent at WR, solid OL & running game, OC is 'perfect fit'. There won't be any excuses. There will be only one person to blame when he fails miserably.Great to hear he is looking good so far. That being said, what is the HC going to say this soon after the draft? "We made a huge mistake drafting him and he is going to be a bust?"
Capella
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Sounds like you are already making excuses.It's a good thing everything is in place for him to succeed. Top talent at WR, solid OL & running game, OC is 'perfect fit'. There won't be any excuses. There will be only one person to blame when he fails miserably.Great to hear he is looking good so far. That being said, what is the HC going to say this soon after the draft? "We made a huge mistake drafting him and he is going to be a bust?"
lod01
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Actually I'm making sure you can't. Everything is in place for him to have the greatest rookie QB season ever.Capella said:Sounds like you are already making excuses.lod01 said:It's a good thing everything is in place for him to succeed. Top talent at WR, solid OL & running game, OC is 'perfect fit'. There won't be any excuses. There will be only one person to blame when he fails miserably.bucsbaby said:Great to hear he is looking good so far. That being said, what is the HC going to say this soon after the draft? "We made a huge mistake drafting him and he is going to be a bust?"
jurb26
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TB has a solid oline?lod01 said:It's a good thing everything is in place for him to succeed. Top talent at WR, solid OL & running game, OC is 'perfect fit'. There won't be any excuses. There will be only one person to blame when he fails miserably.bucsbaby said:Great to hear he is looking good so far. That being said, what is the HC going to say this soon after the draft? "We made a huge mistake drafting him and he is going to be a bust?"
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gump
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So a team who went 2-14 and finished 30th in Offense is the best location for an incoming starting rookie QB in NFL history.Actually I'm making sure you can't. Everything is in place for him to have the greatest rookie QB season ever.Capella said:Sounds like you are already making excuses.It's a good thing everything is in place for him to succeed. Top talent at WR, solid OL & running game, OC is 'perfect fit'. There won't be any excuses. There will be only one person to blame when he fails miserably.Great to hear he is looking good so far. That being said, what is the HC going to say this soon after the draft? "We made a huge mistake drafting him and he is going to be a bust?"
lod01
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Andrew Luck did it. Took 2-14 and turned it into 11-5. You guys think this guy is great and the best thing since Andrew Luck.So a team who went 2-14 and finished 30th in Offense is the best location for an incoming starting rookie QB in NFL history.Actually I'm making sure you can't. Everything is in place for him to have the greatest rookie QB season ever.Capella said:Sounds like you are already making excuses.It's a good thing everything is in place for him to succeed. Top talent at WR, solid OL & running game, OC is 'perfect fit'. There won't be any excuses. There will be only one person to blame when he fails miserably.Great to hear he is looking good so far. That being said, what is the HC going to say this soon after the draft? "We made a huge mistake drafting him and he is going to be a bust?"
gump
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Yes, we all think he's Andrew Luck.Andrew Luck did it. Took 2-14 and turned it into 11-5. You guys think this guy is great and the best thing since Andrew Luck.So a team who went 2-14 and finished 30th in Offense is the best location for an incoming starting rookie QB in NFL history.Actually I'm making sure you can't. Everything is in place for him to have the greatest rookie QB season ever.Capella said:Sounds like you are already making excuses.It's a good thing everything is in place for him to succeed. Top talent at WR, solid OL & running game, OC is 'perfect fit'. There won't be any excuses. There will be only one person to blame when he fails miserably.Great to hear he is looking good so far. That being said, what is the HC going to say this soon after the draft? "We made a huge mistake drafting him and he is going to be a bust?"
jtd13
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Also, as bad as McCown and Glennon were last season, they were all pro compared to the Colts' QBs that season.Yes, we all think he's Andrew Luck.Andrew Luck did it. Took 2-14 and turned it into 11-5. You guys think this guy is great and the best thing since Andrew Luck.So a team who went 2-14 and finished 30th in Offense is the best location for an incoming starting rookie QB in NFL history.Actually I'm making sure you can't. Everything is in place for him to have the greatest rookie QB season ever.Capella said:Sounds like you are already making excuses.It's a good thing everything is in place for him to succeed. Top talent at WR, solid OL & running game, OC is 'perfect fit'. There won't be any excuses. There will be only one person to blame when he fails miserably.Great to hear he is looking good so far. That being said, what is the HC going to say this soon after the draft? "We made a huge mistake drafting him and he is going to be a bust?"
Capella
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TB has a solid oline?It's a good thing everything is in place for him to succeed. Top talent at WR, solid OL & running game, OC is 'perfect fit'. There won't be any excuses. There will be only one person to blame when he fails miserably.Great to hear he is looking good so far. That being said, what is the HC going to say this soon after the draft? "We made a huge mistake drafting him and he is going to be a bust?"
lod01
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Flushed out what you are going to blame his bad performance on, didn't I?TB has a solid oline?It's a good thing everything is in place for him to succeed. Top talent at WR, solid OL & running game, OC is 'perfect fit'. There won't be any excuses. There will be only one person to blame when he fails miserably.Great to hear he is looking good so far. That being said, what is the HC going to say this soon after the draft? "We made a huge mistake drafting him and he is going to be a bust?"
Yenrub
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That 2011 Colts team was basically the same team as the 2010 Colts team. The only difference was who played QBAndrew Luck did it. Took 2-14 and turned it into 11-5. You guys think this guy is great and the best thing since Andrew Luck.So a team who went 2-14 and finished 30th in Offense is the best location for an incoming starting rookie QB in NFL history.Actually I'm making sure you can't. Everything is in place for him to have the greatest rookie QB season ever.Capella said:Sounds like you are already making excuses.It's a good thing everything is in place for him to succeed. Top talent at WR, solid OL & running game, OC is 'perfect fit'. There won't be any excuses. There will be only one person to blame when he fails miserably.Great to hear he is looking good so far. That being said, what is the HC going to say this soon after the draft? "We made a huge mistake drafting him and he is going to be a bust?"
2010 – Colts were 4th in overall offense (1st pass/29th run) – Peyton Manning QB
2011 – Colts were 29th in overall offense (27th pass/26th run) – Curtis Painter/Kerry Collins/Dan Orlosky QB
2012 – Colts were 18th in overall offense 7th pass/22nd run) – Andrew Luck QB
2010 – Colts were 23rd in overall defense (13th pass/25th run)
2011 – Colts were 28th in overall defense (15th pass/ 29th run)
2012 – Colts were 21st in overall defense (21st pass/29th run)
Bronco Billy
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So that's what you were doing when you posted TB had a solid O line? You knew better but pretended otherwise to expose them?
Do yourself - and the rest of us - a favor and knock this childish crap off. You sound as prescient as Brewtown was about Sankey last season.
Capella
Footballguy
I love that you think are some kind of football expert while saying that the Bucs have a good oline.Flushed out what you are going to blame his bad performance on, didn't I?TB has a solid oline?It's a good thing everything is in place for him to succeed. Top talent at WR, solid OL & running game, OC is 'perfect fit'. There won't be any excuses. There will be only one person to blame when he fails miserably.Great to hear he is looking good so far. That being said, what is the HC going to say this soon after the draft? "We made a huge mistake drafting him and he is going to be a bust?"
lod01
Footballguy
I love that you think are some kind of football expert while saying that the Bucs have a good oline.Flushed out what you are going to blame his bad performance on, didn't I?TB has a solid oline?It's a good thing everything is in place for him to succeed. Top talent at WR, solid OL & running game, OC is 'perfect fit'. There won't be any excuses. There will be only one person to blame when he fails miserably.Great to hear he is looking good so far. That being said, what is the HC going to say this soon after the draft? "We made a huge mistake drafting him and he is going to be a bust?"
Missed that sarcasm, not once but twice now. They are the one of if not the worst in the league. That's why they drafted 2 guys in the 2nd round. I stated it simply because I know you Winston lovers will blame his suckage on them.http://www.bucsnation.com/2015/5/30/8691787/more-stats-to-prove-the-buccaneers-offensive-line-was-awful
Not that that lack of protection is going to ruin Jameis Winston. The idea that getting sacked a lot can wreck a quarterback's mental approach to the game seems to be based mostly on David Carr, and there's no real reason to believe that him getting sacked a lot is why he sucked -- rather, he probably just sucked, which incidentally tends to lead to more sacks, too.
I said that from the get go while everyone else said Carr was good and the OL, WR,s coaches, etc were the problem when in reality it was Carr who sucked and made everyone else worse.....kinda like this guy will do.
dhockster
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Look, the Texans Front office screwed up that situation royally. They were an expansion team who hired a great defensive coach (Capers) who brought in poor offensive coaches. Rather than draft a stud rookie DE in Julius Peppers to go along with some of the good defensive veterans they picked up in the expansion draft, they go with a Rookie Franchise QB behind a terrible Oline of 2 rookies and 3 back-ups who had never played together before under a bad offensive system. Plus their skill position players were horrible (other than Andre Johnson drafted in year 2) because Charlie Casserly was a terrible GM. David Carr probably would have never been a great QB, but he was put in the absolute worst possible position as a rookie QB. Combine that with the fact that he was a family man who didn't put in extra time at the stadium because he wasn't going to sacrifice time with his family, and there was no way he was going to be a good franchise QB.I love that you think are some kind of football expert while saying that the Bucs have a good oline.Flushed out what you are going to blame his bad performance on, didn't I?TB has a solid oline?It's a good thing everything is in place for him to succeed. Top talent at WR, solid OL & running game, OC is 'perfect fit'. There won't be any excuses. There will be only one person to blame when he fails miserably.Great to hear he is looking good so far. That being said, what is the HC going to say this soon after the draft? "We made a huge mistake drafting him and he is going to be a bust?"
http://www.bucsnation.com/2015/5/30/8691787/more-stats-to-prove-the-buccaneers-offensive-line-was-awful
Not that that lack of protection is going to ruin Jameis Winston. The idea that getting sacked a lot can wreck a quarterback's mental approach to the game seems to be based mostly on David Carr, and there's no real reason to believe that him getting sacked a lot is why he sucked -- rather, he probably just sucked, which incidentally tends to lead to more sacks, too.
I said that from the get go while everyone else said Carr was good and the OL, WR,s coaches, etc were the problem when in reality it was Carr who sucked and made everyone else worse.....kinda like this guy will do.
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