MAC_32
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youre right, Mariota was always way ahead.
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QB Jameis Winston, NO (8 Viewers)
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I said he's a bone head. Not dumb. I heard he tests well
Capella
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Wadsworth
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Wadsworth
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TakiToki said:HE REMINDS ME OF EVERY BAD BLACK QB EVER AND OH YEA ONE WHITE GUY SO NOT RACIST
jurb26
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TakiToki said:
It was actually pretty impressive to come up with a list of guys that long and somehow manage to have nobody with anything in common (skill wise) to Winston.http://youtu.be/euI3v2jpTlI
Frostillicus
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We need real proof.jurb26 said:
addicted2ff
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FYPCapella said:
Frostillicus
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I'm thinking Spergon Wynn.TakiToki said:
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Bracie Smathers
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JennaLaineBucs @JennaLaineBucs 12m12 minutes ago
Dissatisfied with the offensive line play? Bucs are too. That's why they're looking for help inside and willing to trade. Shopping now.
Grahamburn
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If you combined the strengths of ALL of those QB's you'd have a freaking super hero QB, so maybe it was a compliment?TakiToki said:
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TakiToki said:
http://youtu.be/euI3v2jpTlI
Some of those guys had the same major skillset as Winston. So did lots of successful QB's, of course. We don't have to retroactively take away what they did well, too. Seems unnecessarily cruel. Hell, Jamarcus had superior skills to 99% of the guys who ever succeeded in the NFL. Like the most of the rest of those guys, he flamed because of the mental part of the game. Didn't adapt to pro ball. Time will tell with JW.
Young and Kordell were miscast as NFL QB's.
Akili and Ware were college system guys.
Grahamburn
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Dan Marino, Joe Namath, Peyton Manning.
If the media had half the power it does now back when some of these guys were coming out I wonder how many of them would have been considered to have "character issues."
Young kids in college do stupid things. They make bad decisions. Try to judge this kid on what he does going forward.
If the media had half the power it does now back when some of these guys were coming out I wonder how many of them would have been considered to have "character issues."
Young kids in college do stupid things. They make bad decisions. Try to judge this kid on what he does going forward.
Bracie Smathers
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Pro Football Focus @PFF 27m27 minutes ago
Ali Marpet has struggled to adjust to NFL pass rushers. He has the worst preseason pass-blocking grade of all Guards.
Past tendencies are a good predictor of the future. Once in a great while, someone will grow out of being a knucklehead. But more times than not, it's a personality flaw that will always be there. I guess we'll see. If he had Manning/Luck talent and skills, I'd have spent a first rounder on him and hoped I could change his ways. But for a guy who threw 18 interceptions his senior year, I would have traded down. They could have a gotten a Cleveland or Jets team to bite on him.
Wonderllama
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I think Winston has Cam Newton rookie level upside. No one thought Cam would do anything either.
Yeah he's gonna get sacked a billion times but he's still throwing it up to Evans and V-Jax. And there's no way he doesn't get *at least* five rushing TDs. One of my favorite late round picks.
Yeah he's gonna get sacked a billion times but he's still throwing it up to Evans and V-Jax. And there's no way he doesn't get *at least* five rushing TDs. One of my favorite late round picks.
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cstu
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True, most people didn't see Cam's rookie year coming. However, Cam's running played a large role in his huge rookie year and the two aren't close in their running ability. Cam ran for nearly 1500 yards and 20 TD's his last year in college and Jameis had a total of 284 rushing yards and 7 TD's in his two years.
Wonderllama
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Winston's preseason play may have influenced my perception. But I do think he'll wind up with more rushing TDs than the average QB. He's got some of the skill set.
jtd13
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Winston will probably never rush for 700/14 in any TWO seasons combined, like Cam did his rookie year. That said, even if you took out all of Cam's rushing stats, he'd still be a top 15 QB in 4 pt passing TD leagues as a rookie. Winston is also a better passer with better weapons compared to rookie Cam, and he has a cake schedule. I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up top 10-12 numbers this season, provided he can stay on the field behind that terrible line.
cstu
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Grahamburn
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cstu
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Nope. I personally dislike the guy tremendously but it's not inconceivable that he will have fantasy success this year.
The league I drafted him in is 4 point TD and only -1 per INT, which seems like a good format for him - Cutler was the #9 QB in PPG last year.
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Frostillicus
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Just traded up a few picks to make sure I got Winston in the first round of my keeper league. This is gonna be great!
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packer_junkie
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Here is all Ill add: (I am a winston owner, at least to see what he can do)
I find it hard to believe he won't put up respectable fantasy numbers with his schedule: Vs. Tennesee, @ New Orleans (w/o there top corner), Vs. Jacksonville, @ Washington, @ Atlanta, Vs. New York Giants, Vs. Dallas, Vs. Atlanta, Vs. New Orleans, Vs. Chicago. (Thats 10 games vs some of the worst defense/secondaries in the league!
I find it hard to believe he won't put up respectable fantasy numbers with his schedule: Vs. Tennesee, @ New Orleans (w/o there top corner), Vs. Jacksonville, @ Washington, @ Atlanta, Vs. New York Giants, Vs. Dallas, Vs. Atlanta, Vs. New Orleans, Vs. Chicago. (Thats 10 games vs some of the worst defense/secondaries in the league!
Frank Black
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As a Panther homer, I still remember how awful Cam looked in his rookie preseason. We questioned whether he belonged in the NFL. I need to see Winston a lot more during the season before I form any opinions on him. In the meantime, the weapons alone make him draft worthy at the end of your draft instead of some likely scrub who will never see your lineup absent an emergency.
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If your league doesn't take away points for turnovers, he may put up some decent numbers against bad defenses. But he was an interception machine last year at Florida St. 18 interceptions in a short college schedule. That's terrible. Unless his decision making has improved 100%, I think the smart fantasy play is to pickup the defense he's going against.
Grahamburn
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Because it's a fantasy football site. Not many are talking about Nick Foles' 2013 anymore either. We have fresher data.
Omniscient Deity
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Grahamburn
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You brought up his college stats. I personally see it as a positive that he could take a completely different team to another undefeated regular season and college playoff berth.
When he had a better surrounding cast in 2013:
4,057 yards. 40 TDs. 10 INTs. Heisman. National Championship.
So his 18 interceptions last year were a result of a bad supporting cast?? At Florida State?
Sorry, but he regressed. Teams had film.
Grahamburn
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Any FSU fan will tell you, yes, the supporting cast was much worse in 2014. I think Gruden did a segment with Winston where he pointed out that the majority of the interceptions were because he was forcing the ball to Rashad Greene. It's less of an excuse and more of a reason. Forcing the ball is not a positive quality.
Point is, surround him with talent and he will thrive. It remains to be seen if the Bucs can/will do that. He certainly has the receivers.
Point is, surround him with talent and he will thrive. It remains to be seen if the Bucs can/will do that. He certainly has the receivers.
Grahamburn
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Ugh. Yeah. I'll stop.
Hope you're sitting on the Bucs' side. I went to the Detroit opener a few years ago and sat on their side of the field. The sun was absolutely brutal.
Dr. Octopus
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If we are talking fantasy football, no way. Cam's value came as a result of his rushing stats and Jameis is not a runner.
And there's no way (well it's very unlikely at least) that he reaches five rushing TDs.
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cstu
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Cam shouldn't even be in the discussion since they are nothing alike.
IMO he's Cutler.
Frostillicus
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Less than 48 hours!
gump
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CR69
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After all of the crap we took on here for preferring Marcus to Jameis, I echo this sentiment.
cstu
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Seriously.After all of the crap we took on here for preferring Marcus to Jameis, I echo this sentiment.
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