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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (13 Viewers)
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
Could be a big deal, is definitely an interesting development from my perspective, but if I were setting up meetings with the FBI director and the SIC, I'd want it to be in a SCIF as often as possible.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Yeah...I think the more important point is that it was a 3 hour meeting. That seems longish if there wasn't anything to discuss.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
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Sammy3469
Footballguy
Rubio's tweet certainly makes whatever was said in the meeting extremely serious.
edit: just to note those articles are JAN 17...not Feb 17.
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
Precisely. They weren't in a SCIF and the politicians were talking about them. And they were with Comey about the same topic.
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cosjobs
Footballguy
Treasongate imoTo be fair though, I thought that was already planned for the main passage through The Yuge Wall of Trump...
...I could be wrong though.
Sorry for the spam SID & serious folk, in an effort to apologize, I offer this...although this may be more appropriate, unless this mess gets cleaned up in the proper way soon.
Finally, great work guys/gals, I really appreciate the hard work that has gone into this thread. I don't post much here, but I learn much.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
No arguments from me here.Treasongate imoTo be fair though, I thought that was already planned for the main passage through The Yuge Wall of Trump...
...I could be wrong though.
Sorry for the spam SID & serious folk, in an effort to apologize, I offer this...although this may be more appropriate, unless this mess gets cleaned up in the proper way soon.
Finally, great work guys/gals, I really appreciate the hard work that has gone into this thread. I don't post much here, but I learn much.
Accurate..specific...most likely correct...
cosjobs
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
cobalt_27
Footballguy
cobalt_27
Footballguy
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Nothing to see here:
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15X0OE
the fact they are even looking at financial transactions is deeply troubling. Panama papers anyone?
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15X0OE
the fact they are even looking at financial transactions is deeply troubling. Panama papers anyone?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Sammy3469
Footballguy
The fact they are even probing the finances means they have something. It could be as minor as the Flynn payment for the RT dinner, but my guess is there's a paper trail a mile long of the oligarchs buying Trump apartments in his various developments. Once the have those they can work backward slowly, but pretty easily.
There is a ton to unravel especially since Ross owns a chunk of one of the favorite Cyprus banks to do this sort of thing through and it takes a lot of time, but you want something that would shake up the Republican senators, this is it.
adonis
Footballguy
I have this feeling that time travelers in the future discovered how to travel, but can't go back any further than 2000 for some odd reason. They've been ####### with us ever since. Terrorism, Trump, climate change, reality tv, elon musk, brexit, alt-right...I mean, folks are just coming back from the future and dipping their toes into an alternate reality and having their fun. KellyAnne Conways was basically referencing alternate facts as facts she brought with her back from an alternative dimension...sometime in the future...and they're just ####### with us all.
Social sciences have long been a "psuedo-science" because you can't really perform controlled experiments on vast swaths of humanity. My guess is that we are living in one huge experiment right now and folks from the future are popping in and taking notes on how we're doing and what a little crazy inserted here or there in humanity will change things.
Future researchers: "That's a great idea! Ok, ok...what if...what if we take this crazy business guy and have him run for office and lie and everything, but wait...we create this alternative right wing propaganada machine and he hijacks it and rises to become president! "
Other researcher: "Awesome idea! Ok..and then we can drop someone from the future in there, like Elon Musk, and see what he can do in the same climate as a President Trump. It's a race to see whether humankind will save itself before Trump and our other ideas destroy it."
Social sciences have long been a "psuedo-science" because you can't really perform controlled experiments on vast swaths of humanity. My guess is that we are living in one huge experiment right now and folks from the future are popping in and taking notes on how we're doing and what a little crazy inserted here or there in humanity will change things.
Future researchers: "That's a great idea! Ok, ok...what if...what if we take this crazy business guy and have him run for office and lie and everything, but wait...we create this alternative right wing propaganada machine and he hijacks it and rises to become president! "
Other researcher: "Awesome idea! Ok..and then we can drop someone from the future in there, like Elon Musk, and see what he can do in the same climate as a President Trump. It's a race to see whether humankind will save itself before Trump and our other ideas destroy it."
SaintsInDome2006
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the rover
Footballguy
Here's a list of materials you absolutely should not destroy because we may subpoena it sometime in the future. Do not destroy your hard drives or anything, because we plan on asking for this down the line sometime.
CowboysFromHell
Footballguy
I can't be the first one to come in here and ask why the word "potential" is still in the thread title?
Rove!
Footballguy
Michael Flynn finds himeself unexpectedly available....
I think he should go with Yakov Smirnov myself....
Sammy3469
Footballguy
My guess is bank statements, LLC docs, wire transfers, etc as well. If this is the path they are pursuing (and there is a lot of layering involved), there is going to a bunch of Delaware LLC documents that will need to be retained (and for those that don't know Delaware LLCs are notoriously opaque so this could take some time).
The fact Burr acquiesced to this isn't good for whoever the FBI is looking at. The FBI people who pursue this type of thing are topnotch.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Rove!
Footballguy
This is interesting....
Clnton campaign staff discussing getting together with the Chinese amabassador to discuss US- China affairs
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/35743
Clnton campaign staff discussing getting together with the Chinese amabassador to discuss US- China affairs
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/35743
GoBirds
Footballguy
An "off the record" get together.....wow. Essentially what everyone is freaking out about what may have happened w the Russkis did happen w China and DNC
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
You should start a thread about Clinton's emails. I bet it would get a lot of responses.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I'm getting tired of this whataboutism bull####. Team Trump colluding with Russia and Clinton colluding with, in this case, China are not mutually exclusive propositions. Try to be logically consistent.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Even if you could prove your Russia theory the same thing clearly went on with the other candidate. Very relevant but understand why you would want to avoid it.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
the rover
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
the rover
Footballguy
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Rove!
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
the rover
Footballguy
You mean like publicly encouraging Russians to hack the DNC and working with Wikileaks to release emails, but then freaking out about leaks involving actual treason?
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
A double standard (which I believe both sides can perceive) isn't relevant to the truth, which is why the "What about her!" red herring doesn't work, especially on those who don't give a #### about Clinton. It's even more ineffective when the person whose alleged crimes you're trying deflect from is the president of the ####### country. Whether Clinton is guilty of something has zero bearing on whether Trump is guilty of something, it really is that simple.
Mile High
Footballguy
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[scooter]
Footballguy
The only people who consider it to be a double-standard are people who don't understand the law.
It's LEGAL to talk about the current state of affairs.
It's NOT LEGAL to negotiate sanctions.
Clinton's team was doing the former (actually they were just talking about possibly doing the former), Trump's team was allegedly doing the latter.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Note Campbell, former Asst. SOS, emailed Podesta about it immediately.
Why do you think Flynn lied to Pence and WH staff about his communications?
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I don't see why we should bring a real understanding of what's going on with the law into a criminal investigation.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
A key with Flynn is that he lied about not only the number of times he talked with Russia MFA but when. Flynn made a point that he did not speak with the Russians after sanctions were imposed. He lied. Why do you think he would have lied about that?
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I think a lot of GOPers are trying to figure out how to thread the needle where they don't piss off his followers by jumping too early, but they don't wait so long that they get dragged down with him.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I agree. And, I think there's concern that Trump is a menace and dangerous to our national security. So, sooner the better to get him out. But, need bullet-proof case going back to your point. They will lose votes from some down the road, but a definitive case of criminal misconduct would go a long way in minimizing that damage.
Dedfin
Footballguy
Maybe this is obvious to you or others, but do you think this meeting is related to the FISA warrants the FBI was trying to obtain? Remember MT's post here a while ago linking a blog to a theory that all of the moves Snowden and Trump have made is really one elaborate mission by Putin being investigated by Comey? How long until that theory gets supported and debunked?
