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Dante Pettis WR Giants (1 Viewer)
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fruity pebbles
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King of the Jungle
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metoo
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Interseptopus
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The Flanker position does the best in this offense, and Deebo is said to have the early track to that spot. I would probably trade a mid to low 2019 2nd for him, as I don't really like anyone past the mid 2nd. I would not trade a 2020 2nd for him, but then again I wouldn't go for him at all personally
Mr. Irrelevant
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Day 2 rookies always have the inside track to a starting spot in May, because media gonna media. If I had a dollar for every time I read that a Day 2 rook was going to take a veteran's job, I wouldn't have to go to work tomorrow.Dr. Dan said:
I'd trade a 2020 2nd for Pettis in five seconds and feel good doing it.
Ben & Jerry's
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Pettis for a 2nd in any year seems like good business. Tevon Coleman and Deebo give that offense some balance and Mullins is a nice insurance policy on Jimmy.
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King of the Jungle
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I agree with those that find Pettis well worth a 2nd and will be trying to take advantage of those owners that are nervous because of the investments SF made in the draft at that position. IMO he is still the top talent on their depth chart and has a year under his belt which gives him further advantage. Buy low.
Interseptopus
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But Pettis isn't a flanker... he is expected to push Goodwin out this year as the starting Split End.
Mr. Irrelevant
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Do you not think this offense is capable of supporting fantasy starters at both the X and Z? Honest question.
Interseptopus
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I dont know. I haven't seen it run with Jimmy G enough to make that determination. I do think Kittle sees a drop in his production/targets because it's my opinion he was the only offensive weapon last year worth a damn so they leaned on him. Pettis has another year now and they have some good rookie wrs. I am not sure any of us know how this offense will run. Coleman's there. Hurd and Deebo. JimmyG
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I'm not sure Shanahan agrees. I remember some quote from him (possible coach speak, so take with a grain of salt) about Pettis being able to play every WR position.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
As a 49er fan, I'm excited about this WR group from a team standpoint. In fantasy, not so much. RBs will be much more involved in the passing game this year as well, with McKinnon back and adding Coleman. Just more mouths to feed.
Still like Kittle for fantasy. Will be hard to duplicate the yardage, but think he adds 4-5 TDs this year. Offense will have a lot more red zone opportunities.
The Man With No Name
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fruity pebbles
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Good video. Watched a lot of Pettis last season. Was generally impressed. Outside Moore I thought he was the best looking rookie receiver. Agree with what this guy saw. Gets separation at will and a lot of it. Runs good routes. More quick than fast. Can be manhandled. Very much a finesse guy. Skill set is there to be a very good WR if he can remain healthy.
The Man With No Name
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Own him in both my Dynasty leagues. Did 3 Draft Best Ball Leagues >> One in Feb, one in April, one just finished. He went WR 30, WR 36, WR 30. I got him in the first 2.
grateful zed
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good player, but his ceiling seams low.
a career ff wr3 or so.
a career ff wr3 or so.
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Just saying, when he came back healthy from the 49ers bye week (weeks 12-17) he averaged 15.9 points a game which put him at WR13 in ppr.
That may be the case, but he put up those numbers with 7, 7, 7, 5, and 5 targets. He was really quite efficient (21 rec 359yds 4td 31targets) over the five games, two of which were against Seattle. I have no idea if he can duplicate these numbers over an extended period, but factoring in he was a second round pick that they traded up for, and he put up those numbers when opportunity presented itself... he's certainly interesting.Ilov80s said:
Ilov80s
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Goodwin might be healthy but the biggest threat would be from Deebo who they drafted even higher than Pettis.
King of the Jungle
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I feel like people put too much stock in the new shiny toys (rookies). There is a lot to go into Shanahans offense and Pettis has a year under his belt of understanding it. I think Pettis is more talented than Deebo to begin with and would be shocked if he did not out target all other receivers by at least 25 targets.
King of the Jungle
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-OZ-
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That's what us Pettis owners are excited about. If Jimmy is actually good - not Matt Cassell 2.0, Pettis will be a decent wr3 at worst. Probably a decent wr2.
Ilov80s
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Ilov80s
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Every draft is different but it’s just a fact that Deebo was taken at a higher draft. It doesn’t mean he’s better or the team likes him more. It just means the team likes him and thinks he can make an immediate impact. He might be a total bust but it’s logical to expect him to challenge Petis for targets.
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jm192
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I don't read a lot into it. I think the picks fell how they fell. I don't think being picked at 36th means they like Deebo better than Pettis. I think they wanted a wide receiver because they're thin at the position and that's where their pick was.
Pettis showed a lot last year despite being in a suboptimal situation. All the off-season fluff pieces suggest he's made big strides, and the 49ers expect him to be much improved. I've seen enough rookie receivers do nothing to trust a 2nd year who showed me something over a rookie.
The cool thing about the niner's situation is they have no solidified WR1 (unless you count Kittle). So there is no one there that can demand x amount of targets. They're all competing for that spot and I guess a good chance the WR group mirrors their RB group which is wtf knows who is going to get the most touches or if they'll just all vulture each other.
Snorkelson
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You’re on the right track, but it comes down to who is on the field. The offense can and will move the ball and score points. Whatever guys they plug in will score some points imo. Who’s healthy, and who’s playing snaps.
Ilov80s
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I don’t think it means they like Deebo more either. The origin of this was me saying Pettis might have more competition for targets.
-OZ-
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I get this if they had just traded for OBJ or Antonio brown, but I'll take Jimmy G and deebo as teammates on the field over what they had going on last year.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
His TD rate was unsustainable but hopefully he gets more volume. The interesting part is that the 49ers just weren’t throwing the call much to WRs those games. So while his WR totals were low, they represented a very large share of WR targets.
Weeks 12-15 were the weeks he was hot. He got 26 targets in those 4 games. All other 49ers WRs got 29 targets during those games. There’s plenty of room for other WRs to cut into his share.
Ilov80s
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It’s exciting and he’s going around WR33 in redraft which is a very fair price. I just think we need to be careful looking at that small sample size where Pettis received about 50% of the WR targets and had an unsustainable TD rate.
MAC_32
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I think it's noteworthy what the 9ers gave up to move up for Pettis. I'm sure there was some anxiety 4 picks out on day 2 waiting for Deebo, but the 3 picked in front of him were all thought to be day 1 players. Just spit balling, but certainly could have had a fall back plan teed up too. But regardless, I wouldn't read into either one.
This team is built to throw, often. Their RB's aren't really that good running the ball. They're better catch and runner's relative to other backs than they are runner's. And while the defense has more talent there are still holes, so the ingredients are there for high scoring games. There's going to be some cannibalization at WR, so follow the snap counts. But if this team throws as much as I think they will then I think there may be room for 2 WR's (plus Kittle) to emerge as at worst WR3 starts with big day potential fairly quickly. There's absolutely no reason to expect Goodwin to stay in one piece, so even if Deebo is a quick learn I think there's room for both him and Pettis. If he isn't I'm not too concerned with Matthews, Taylor, James, Bourne, etc. replacing those targets. The biggest threat they are would be suppressing the snap counts of the starters.
Ilov80s
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I agree. I like Pettis and am targeting him at his current ADP. I just don’t think we know much of anything about how good he is or isn’t yet and this is all a move on opportunity and small sample similar to Jimmy G.
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