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15 minutes ago, msudaisy26 said:

You might be right, but the fact that you can't see the Lakers or other teams should put up red flags for yourself. You have tunnel vision.

houston never made sense to me. i think Spurs are a dark horse possibility, and i am sure there are other teams. i just can't see a team like the Lakers come completely out of nowhere (they have talked about this for the better part of the year). if the Lakers were a possibility i would have thought we would have heard a rumbling or 2 during the year

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40 minutes ago, modogg said:

i don't know, i just keep adding to "Lebron to the Sixers" as the odds keep looking good :scared:

Dwyane Wade weighs in:

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“To me, I don’t think it’s a basketball thing,” Wade said. “Obviously, he’s shown this year he can get to the Finals no matter what the circumstances are. I don’t really think, for him, (it’s a) basketball decision of saying, ‘Oh, let me go team up with three All-Stars.’ 

“I think at this point in his life, it’s more so of a lifestyle thing of where my family is going to be the most comfortable and where I’m going to be the happiest. Because basketball-wise, he’s so great, he can bring along and take along whoever.”

 

So we hear his wife wants to be in LA and 43 million dollars worth of homes pretty much validates it. Maybe Gary Payton was right saying little Bronny had enrolled in an LA area school. Maybe he's a fool. But Lebron gonna be a Laker. I suggest the NBA demote the eastern conference to minor league status soon thereafter.

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Just now, Chaos Commish said:

Dwyane Wade weighs in:

So we hear his wife wants to be in LA and 43 million dollars worth of homes pretty much validates it. Maybe Gary Payton was right saying little Bronny had enrolled in an LA area school. Maybe he's a fool. But Lebron gonna be a Laker. I suggest the NBA demote the eastern conference to minor league status soon thereafter.

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8 minutes ago, Chaos Commish said:

I suggest the NBA demote the eastern conference to minor league status soon thereafter.

The East will get stronger when he heads West, elite players that can't join LA or GS will migrate to the Boston/Philly type teams to get away from the Warriors and Lebron.

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1 minute ago, Frostillicus said:

Anyone want to bet against him going to LA?  Will likely not pay if I lose. 

Is that Rick Fox's wife?

 

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11 minutes ago, Frostillicus said:

Anyone want to bet against him going to LA?  Will likely not pay if I lose. 

Sure...I'll go $100 and definitely not pay you if I lose.

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2 minutes ago, BassNBrew said:

Sure...I'll go $100 and definitely not pay you if I lose.

My internet is breaking up I can’t hear you. 

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if Lebron signs with the Lakers this July, Michael Jordan is the best player ever. no doubt

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F it:

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BOSTON CELTICS

 +1394WHICH TEAM WILL L.JAMES BE ON 1ST RS GM OF 2018-19

Risking: $70.00  To win: $975.80

 

 

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Can’t count out Lebron’s love for Pop. Heard they’re meeting soon.  Lakers are the leaders in the clubhouse but Pop works magic.  

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8 hours ago, Frostillicus said:

Anyone want to bet against him going to LA?  Will likely not pay if I lose. 

Weebs?

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If nation wide gambling on NBA games was legal this season would the Cavs or James be fined for not disclosing his hand injury? Is there something in their CBA that says injuries can be hidden? In the NFL you have to put a guy on the injury report for even the smallest injury or face fines and I'm pretty sure that's all because of gambling.

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23 minutes ago, Raging weasel said:

If nation wide gambling on NBA games was legal this season would the Cavs or James be fined for not disclosing his hand injury? Is there something in their CBA that says injuries can be hidden? In the NFL you have to put a guy on the injury report for even the smallest injury or face fines and I'm pretty sure that's all because of gambling.

my understanding is that the nba policy is far more lax and even if you were to misrepresent an injury prior to a game, the punishments are unclear.  It could be interesting moving forward with the gambling because it is a priority of Silver's and there have been some rumblings that that is the real reason that he's been so hard on the tanking and on transparency of officiating.

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10 hours ago, msudaisy26 said:

You might be right, but the fact that you can't see the Lakers or other teams should put up red flags for yourself. You have tunnel vision.

There's a slight difference between "not to the Lakers" and "won't win a championship with the Lakers"

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8 hours ago, modogg said:

if Lebron signs with the Lakers this July, Michael Jordan is the best player ever. no doubt

Why is that?  I thought MJ nut-huggers were allover the premise that it is better to get swept in the first round than in the Finals.

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6 minutes ago, Charlie Harper said:

Any way Clippers can grab LBJ instead?

 

Assuming Rivers and Jordan opt in or are kept, they are over the cap.  They would have a lot of work to do.  

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1 hour ago, Short Corner said:

:thumbup:

Great value.

Also gonna keep my eyeball on Boston to win the East. Seems very likely if James lands in the West or in Boston, obviously.

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9 hours ago, modogg said:

if Lebron signs with the Lakers this July, Michael Jordan is the best player ever. no doubt

I'm more impressed with James' ability to drag otherwise-lotto teams to the Finals than Jordan getting otherwise-2nd round playoff teams to titles.

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If the Lakers sign Lebron and George then are able to trade for Anthony Davis you think they could compete with the Dubs?

Assuming all the youth they have accumulated is out the door(Kuz, Ingram, Randle, Ball). Would that plus picks be enough to even land Davis? :coffee:

 

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1 minute ago, Kraft... said:

If the Lakers sign Lebron and George then are able to trade for Anthony Davis you think they could compete with the Dubs?

Assuming all the youth they have accumulated is out the door(Kuz, Ingram, Randle, Ball). Would that plus picks be enough to even land Davis? :coffee:

 

Yes. That would put them squarely in the discussion. Now add Durant and Boogie.

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Wow, it werent this way a wk or so ago when cappy & i bet. With the support of all this genius, i'm actually starting to doubt my side....

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36 minutes ago, Kraft... said:

If the Lakers sign Lebron and George then are able to trade for Anthony Davis you think they could compete with the Dubs?

Assuming all the youth they have accumulated is out the door(Kuz, Ingram, Randle, Ball). Would that plus picks be enough to even land Davis? :coffee:

 

Once they signed LeBron and George, they would be at the salary cap and in a salary match situation. The Lakers would likely have to offer Deng to apply to the salary matching, throw in a couple of the kids (Ball / Ingram / Kuzma), and offer a couple of first rounders to even get New Orleans to pick up the phone. IMO, if AD was on the trading block, the Celtics have a lot more to offer that the Lakers do. And I doubt the Pelicans would be that enthralled with the Lakers trade package.

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14 hours ago, Chaos Commish said:

I try hard not to jump up and down shouting about it, but I've won boatloads the last two seasons betting early futures on GS. And I posted as much early in both seasons. It is a long long time to let a casino hold your money. It's a stressful situation at times too. I still haven't cashed out but may head to Vegas tonight. The joke around here is the Warriors are putting a Laker fan's kid through college. There's also an M5 in the garage that wouldn't be here if not for the Durant signing. I made the first big bet just after, and I made more when the budget allowed. I had a nice run with nba dfs that stalled and Draft Kings started feeling dicey, so I took that bankroll and put it on the Warriors. Something someone smarter than me said in the gambling thread back then about believing in your locks and no brainers rang true, so I went as all in as I could justify. Two years in a row. It's about Durant joining the best team in the league. A team I already argued was the best I'd ever seen. I'm 99% sure he stays put, but he is what makes it a no brainer, so I'll wait.

And now I'm worried about where Lebron lands. I think if he went to Boston and Kyrie and Hayward stayed, or Houston, I'd find another outlet for the gambling degeneracy. I don't think he gets Philly or anyone else past the Warriors. Hell, I'd favor GS over Houston or Boston. That's just not a no brainer anymore. Last year was fun and funny most of the way. This year not so much. 

Good for you. I know you've been firmly behind Dubs futures, but a M5!!!! Nice.

I feel that unless LBJ goes to Houston, Dubs are still clear cut #1, and right now Houston looking less likely. I'm not betting boatloads (actually it's all free rolling) so I'm willing to take a little more risk than the lock they've been.

You think Dubs price will get better after FA and LBJ forms a superteam?

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11 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Once they signed LeBron and George, they would be at the salary cap and in a salary match situation. The Lakers would likely have to offer Deng to apply to the salary matching, throw in a couple of the kids (Ball / Ingram / Kuzma), and offer a couple of first rounders to even get New Orleans to pick up the phone. IMO, if AD was on the trading block, the Celtics have a lot more to offer that then Lakers do. And I doubt the Pelicans would be that enthralled with the Lakers trade package.

Makes no sense from NO's standpoint. And the value of any Lakers picks immediately dies if Lebron signs there. And they get dumb Deng and dumb Lonzo's dumb dad? Cool.

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19 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Once they signed LeBron and George, they would be at the salary cap and in a salary match situation. The Lakers would likely have to offer Deng to apply to the salary matching, throw in a couple of the kids (Ball / Ingram / Kuzma), and offer a couple of first rounders to even get New Orleans to pick up the phone. IMO, if AD was on the trading block, the Celtics have a lot more to offer that then Lakers do. And I doubt the Pelicans would be that enthralled with the Lakers trade package.

Agree re Boston :thumbup: Davis is another potential HUGE chip in what could be another crazy NBA off season. Wanted to get his name out there :popcorn: 

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46 minutes ago, Good Posting Judge said:

Also gonna keep my eyeball on Boston to win the East. Seems very likely if James lands in the West or in Boston, obviously.

:tfp:  have you forgot the 6'ers play in the East??

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44 minutes ago, Good Posting Judge said:

I'm more impressed with James' ability to drag otherwise-lotto teams to the Finals than Jordan getting otherwise-2nd round playoff teams to titles.

ehh, it was a joke cause I will be salty if all this smoke about Lebron joining the 6'ers for the last 1.5 years is for nothing

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Just now, modogg said:

:tfp:  have you forgot the 6'ers play in the East??

Are they going to set up a ladder in the middle of the key so Fultz can shoot?

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13 minutes ago, Charlie Harper said:

Can Lakers get LBJ, PG13, and CP3?

LBJ and CP3 as max free agents and PG13 through sign and trade?

Probably not. The Lakers are said to have $61 million in available cap space and it would probably take $70-75 million to max out James and Paul. If they found someone to take on Deng's $18 million contract, then possibly they could sign two true max free agents. But there aren't many teams other than the Lakers with a ton of salary cap space to just eat $18 million. And the next issue would be they would not have enough salary to trade for the third guy getting a max contract in a sign and trade in a salary match situation. Also, by that point there would not be a lot in it for the team doing the sign and trade. It will be extremely difficult in today's NBA for any team to roster three max contracts.

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10 hours ago, modogg said:

if Lebron signs with the Lakers this July, Michael Jordan is the best player ever. no doubt

The butthurt look on you isn't a good look. 

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1 hour ago, Charlie Harper said:

Good for you. I know you've been firmly behind Dubs futures, but a M5!!!! Nice.

The kid was looking at taking a 15 year old Acura to college. An FBG convinced me to bet heavy if I believed what I said about Durant to GS. So I did. I almost bought a silly old supercar for my midlife crisis needs, so I could give the kid my daily driver to take to school. Then in PMs @sbonomo(who knows cars better than the rest of us) called me stupid and told me to get an M5, even linked me to one he liked. It's a 2012 so nowhere near a new one in value. NBA threads may attract idiocy, but there's some smart people around here worth listening to sometimes.

I think I'm all in again. The odds will move but this isn't about that. It's about the foregone conclusion that some won't accept. I've been betting throughout the seasons like making payments, so the odds are what they are when I get to Vegas with discretionary funds. I sometimes wonder why I bet on anything else. 5 Dimes only let's me make $50 NBA bets.

My opinion (hot take) of Durant on the all-time list would fire up the crazy here. I'm far more certain he stays than I am Lebron goes to LA, but the 2019 title goes from probable no brainer to no bets if he leaves. I'll start with a small wager on the Dubs when I cash then wait for Lebron and Durant to commit. I should be buying free drinks at a few sportsbooks today as my family is having a big pool party in Vegas, but I'm too lazy to drive despite the 560 horses with 500 lb-ft of torque and paddle shifters. I need to get rid of this beast. :lol:

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1 hour ago, Good Posting Judge said:

 

Makes no sense from NO's standpoint. And the value of any Lakers picks immediately dies if Lebron signs there. And they get dumb Deng and dumb Lonzo's dumb dad? Cool.

But it is the Lakers and then you have the inside track on the other Ball kids. 

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3 hours ago, Raging weasel said:

If nation wide gambling on NBA games was legal this season would the Cavs or James be fined for not disclosing his hand injury? Is there something in their CBA that says injuries can be hidden? In the NFL you have to put a guy on the injury report for even the smallest injury or face fines and I'm pretty sure that's all because of gambling.

Yeah, that's comical the league wants an integrity fee.  Legalized sports betting is now here and the NBA decided to hide a known injury to the league's most popular player.  OOF

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17 minutes ago, msudaisy26 said:

But it is the Lakers and then you have the inside track on the other Ball kids. 

You can never have enough Balls...

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2 hours ago, Chaos Commish said:

4 entertainment industry sources have told a Lakers insider Bron is coming to LA. It's done. Take the +200.

  

I don't know where you are seeing +200

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14 hours ago, modogg said:

i am just not seeing it. were Lakers better than Cavs without Lebron? Lakers certainly young and have upside, but 1/3 of the league was actively tanking at various points last year when Lakers had no incentive to. they are young, but i just can't see it.

i think when Lebron says his family will weigh in heavily with this decision he is saying he doesn't want to force them to move a ton. if he was still in his 1 year deals maybe, but i can't see a reason why he goes to LA

Yes the Lakers with PG13 are better than the Cavs.  WAY better.  

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13 hours ago, modogg said:

 i just can't see a team like the Lakers come completely out of nowhere (they have talked about this for the better part of the year). if the Lakers were a possibility i would have thought we would have heard a rumbling or 2 during the year

Are you saying you haven't heard rumors about LeBron going to the Lakers until now?

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13 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

I don't know where you are seeing +200

Bovada has it as follows:

Lakers - 7/4
76ers - 11/5
Rockets - 5/2
Cavaliers - 5/1
Spurs - 8/1
Celtics - 12/1
Warriors - 30/1
Knicks - 30/1
Heat - 40/1

BetOnLine and OddsShark have it at:

Los Angeles Lakers +200
Houston Rockets +275
Philadelphia 76ers +300
Cleveland Cavaliers +700
San Antonio Spurs +1000
Golden State Warriors +2500
Los Angeles Clippers +2500
Miami Heat +3300

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14 minutes ago, tommyGunZ said:

Yes the Lakers with PG13 are better than the Cavs.  WAY better.  

You're saying if PG13 was on the Lakers this year and they faced off in a 7 game series against those Lebron led Cavs, the Lakers would roll?

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4 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Bovada has it as follows:

Lakers - 7/4
76ers - 11/5
Rockets - 5/2
Cavaliers - 5/1
Spurs - 8/1
Celtics - 12/1
Warriors - 30/1
Knicks - 30/1
Heat - 40/1

BetOnLine and OddsShark have it at:

Los Angeles Lakers +200
Houston Rockets +275
Philadelphia 76ers +300
Cleveland Cavaliers +700
San Antonio Spurs +1000
Golden State Warriors +2500
Los Angeles Clippers +2500
Miami Heat +3300

BOL has the Lakers at -110 right now.

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