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Now what about when they do that, there are convictions, and (like the Baylor doctor) it’s found that a physician raped a drugged patient after her nurse call button was disconnected? And the jury (because it’s Texas) gives him probation?
I hope that as this becomes more public that assault victims will come forward right away. That would help for starters. A lot. Respect for a drunk lady even though you are drunk would also help a lot but that comes with upbringing. I guess I'm saying is that there is always going to be douchnozzel predators & the girl just has to tell someone & get the process started. Preferably tell her best friend or mom because if she tells a dad like me I'm going away for a nickle to a dime in the state pen for killing the guy.
This is one of the most cited reasons young women don’t tell their fathers/anyone. They’re afraid he’ll end up in prison “because of her.”
Yeah, I’m not arguing with you. I’m explaining why women don’t come forward. If they tell the police or other authority, dad’s going to find out.
State prison is not so bad. County prison is worse. Federal prison is truly a country club. IMHO
If I find out after the fact, I don't kill the guy that night. I probably hire it out for a later date.
I believe you’re a better father than can be replaced by a chat screen.
I agree 100%. You and I disagree on certain aspects of how the law should work in this area, but we're in complete agreement on many of the stories that you've posted here. I think we're mostly on the same team although I'm not sure that you'd see it that way.
You consistently think I have a worse opinion of you than I do. I’m sorry if I do that.
not having been in that situation with a daughter raped I guess I can't completely rule out or in, anything. I do have a 1st cousin who was raped at a party in a bathroom when she was 15. Got told the story 10 years later so I can see where you are coming from. No she didn't report it.
No, I get it. I just think we both tend to focus more on our differences (this is the internet after all) and focus less on the stuff we agree on. In my real bricks-and-mortar life, I see myself as an ally for women.
I would kill him or have him killed. 5 to 10 years of prison is nothing in the grand scheme of things. IMO. & I don't get riled up about much anything except abuse of kids, including teenagers.
I do, too. But my understanding from victims is that for many of them if they believed the men in their lives would react by asking what they want and need instead of “I’ll kill him” it would be a safer space for them.
It ain’t just Feinstein.
Can’t remember. Like I said, it’s not all of them. And my wife and I definitely talked about that when the sentence happened.
If the victim is male and the perpetrator is male the sentence is usually higher from what I see. When the perpetrator is a woman it’s highly unlikely she gets more than a light tap on the wrist.
Maybe you can help me out. I pulling Charlotte stories and am just seeing one probation officer that the judge gave 12 years to. The other prominent story is a female who got probation after being charged with 11 counts of statutory rape with boys. The rest of the stories on the front page are feeds to cases in other areas of the country. Seems like men rapists are hit harder in this area than female rapists. Should I vote to re-elect these judges or pick another name and hope for or someone better?
It's the hard stops on birthdays that cause issues. No problem with years or birthdays shifting. In NY, the issue is the shift from 2nd degree:
to 3rd degree:
So, Peggy Sue, 20 with a birthday in March meets Jim Bob, 16 with a birthday in April at a New Year's Party. Jim Bob can consent to making teh juice with Peggy Sue until her birthday in March rolls around. As soon as Peggy Sue turns 21, it's 3rd degree rape in NY (130.25). Then, when Jim Bob turns 17 in April, he can start back up with Peggy Sue, or dump her for Edith, 96. 17 and 13 is also OK, but if 17 becomes 18 before 13 becomes 14...it's second degree at that point.
Right. But now it’s all codified.
I can’t answer that because I don’t have the information you do on names or cases. I don’t know who else is running.
That's where I would disagree but I'm open to you changing my mind. I thought the judges handed out the sentences and approved the plea deals in most places. I guess the legislators could legislated the judges out of the process somehow.
If Paul Ryan held a press conference tomorrow to talk about how rape sentencing is the reason so many rapes happen, trot a dozen rape survivors who were victims of rapists previously on probation out in front of the cameras and announce that Congress is instituting a framework so that rape sentencing has to be equivalent to murder sentencing, there isn’t a judge on the planet who would sentence a rapist to probation that week. In my opinion.
I'd guess you're right in nobody would get probation that week if Ryan were to that.
I’m saying societal attitudes need to change and people need to stop making excuses for rapists at the expense of rape survivors. I don’t have a legal solution to this. It’s a societal one. It’s not like Paul Ryan can set the framework for raped sentencing at the state level. But the leaders on both sides of the aisle have to make sexual violence a social priority and signal to their bases that enough is enough - instead of hunkering down and waiting out #metoo and hoping nobody important gets caught up in it.
I would hope there are solutions and things we can do. The "hope for societal changes" seems way too vague. I'd hope we can do things now.
Yes. Anyone who retaliates against a victim of sexual violence who comes forward, with graffiti or public shaming or physical violence, or the like, gets equivalent to 1/4 of the accused’s sentence for revictimizing her.
No, to me the immediate problem is that women who are victims of sexual violence are revictimized if they come forward to a point that the consequences of reporting outweigh the benefits.
I don’t know.
So you’re saying we need to change societal attitudes about sexual violence and that’s the only way we can really address this.
It’s an easy thing to say. But I don’t know how.
Ok. I think then moving toward solutions, like discussing what you've already suggested there, is a way to move forward.
Agreed. "Change societal attitudes" is a giant amorphous goal. Maybe it's just me thinking small but I feel like focusing on more specific achievable goals is a better way to move. Again, just me thinking here.
