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8 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

Maybe I am thinking of someone else but didn't Flynn ADMIT to wrongdoing?

He pleaded guilty. He then changed counsel and began claiming a conspiracy between the government and his former counsel (who he has claimed was conflicted). For a while, he did that without revoking his guilty plea. I think he has now moved to revoke it. 
 

FULL DISCLOSURE:  I knew and did some work for Flynn’s former counsel as a young associate. . 

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8 minutes ago, Sneegor said:

Barr is a true patriot.  Love him.  America is lucky to have him.

Mike Flynn was on Turkey’s payroll as National Security Advisor yo the President of the US. This is the most corrupt crap I’ve seen in my life.

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16 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Mike Flynn was on Turkey’s payroll as National Security Advisor yo the President of the US. This is the most corrupt crap I’ve seen in my life.

If by corrupt you mean the Mueller team I agree with you.

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1 minute ago, Sneegor said:

If by corrupt you mean the Mueller team I agree with you.

Please post any corruption on Muellers actual team.  This is a big claim you are making again with nothing to back it up.

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3 minutes ago, Sneegor said:

If by corrupt you mean the Mueller team I agree with you.

No I mean a principle to the President being paid by a foreign autocracy.

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2 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Please post any corruption on Muellers actual team.  This is a big claim you are making again with nothing to back it up.

Sounds like you are panicking

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1 minute ago, Sneegor said:

Sounds like you are panicking

No...Im asking you to back up your claim.  Please do so rather than making a comment about me.

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5 minutes ago, Sneegor said:

Sounds like you are panicking

No thats you being called to show your work... and you have no work to show to back up your statements.  based on your response! 

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10 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Please post any corruption on Muellers actual team.  This is a big claim you are making again with nothing to back it up.

Do you not find it weird how Mueller's team could never find any Russian collusion proof so they went after folks like Flynn or Stone on perjury?  Yet Clapper, Brennan, and McCabe all commit perjury and are not charged at all.  Hhmmmmmmm

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1 minute ago, Sneegor said:

Do you not find it weird how Mueller's team could never find any Russian collusion proof so they went after folks like Flynn or Stone on perjury?  Yet Clapper, Brennan, and McCabe all commit perjury and are not charged at all.  Hhmmmmmmm

Would you please pause to actually READ the judge’s review of Flynn’s claims?

- Please just take a moment.

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1 minute ago, Sneegor said:

Do you not find it weird how Mueller's team could never find any Russian collusion proof so they went after folks like Flynn or Stone on perjury?  Yet Clapper, Brennan, and McCabe all commit perjury and are not charged at all.  Hhmmmmmmm

Yeah, it's weird how it's hard to find proof when everyone is lying to you.  Hhmmmmmmmm

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2 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said:

Is it GB"? Is it?

Do I believe a criminal gang will do criminal things? Absolutely, you’re right. Still need a better dictionary for these times.

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33 minutes ago, Sneegor said:

Do you not find it weird how Mueller's team could never find any Russian collusion proof so they went after folks like Flynn or Stone on perjury?  Yet Clapper, Brennan, and McCabe all commit perjury and are not charged at all.  Hhmmmmmmm

No.  I don’t find what you claimed weird.

Now...can you please back up your assertion that Mueller's team was corrupt?    You keep avoiding that question as you did a question about claims you made in the Pete thread.  

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Barr's possibly (and I emphasize possibly) one of the few guys who can tell Trump to shut up that Trump might listen to.

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1 hour ago, Ramsay Hunt Experience said:

He pleaded guilty. He then changed counsel and began claiming a conspiracy between the government and his former counsel (who he has claimed was conflicted). For a while, he did that without revoking his guilty plea. I think he has now moved to revoke it. 
 

FULL DISCLOSURE:  I knew and did some work for Flynn’s former counsel as a young associate. . 

What is your take on the current delay in the Flynn case?  Is a delay to give his old representation firm time to defend the claim of ineffective council something that is typically done?  

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19 minutes ago, dickey moe said:

Barr's possibly (and I emphasize possibly) one of the few guys who can tell Trump to shut up that Trump might listen to.

Trump knows Barr is the best AG he is going to find.  He should listen to Barr.

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1 hour ago, Ramsay Hunt Experience said:

He pleaded guilty. He then changed counsel and began claiming a conspiracy between the government and his former counsel (who he has claimed was conflicted). For a while, he did that without revoking his guilty plea. I think he has now moved to revoke it. 
 

FULL DISCLOSURE:  I knew and did some work for Flynn’s former counsel as a young associate. . 

No worries. That sort of stink washes off pretty fast.  Its long gone by now.

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7 minutes ago, Max Power said:

What is your take on the current delay in the Flynn case?  Is a delay to give his old representation firm time to defend the claim of ineffective council something that is typically done?  

Flynn already withdrew that after the judge told him he’d have to waive attorney client privilege, which in turn would’ve meant that DOJ could’ve had access to all that.

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Max I might be wrong but what I think happened was that after losing so badly in December (opinion above) Flynn decided to pursue blaming ineffective counsel - which is weird because he probably had the best, most effective counsel of all the Mueller defendants and witnesses and subjects and assorted miscreants and neerdowells that formed the Trump JDA. - Which he did pursue... and then the judge said fine but he'll have to show up and declare that he lied on the record when he swore up and down in court that he had lied before to the FBI and he'll have to waive privilege with communications with his lawyers so the DOJ can provide a response after all... and rather than do that he and his lawyers said NAH at the last second, hence the delayed hearing. Obviously unsure when it will get reset but clearly the strategy is to just keep dreaming up new #### until Trump can pardon him.

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33 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Flynn already withdrew that after the judge told him he’d have to waive attorney client privilege, which in turn would’ve meant that DOJ could’ve had access to all that.

I might not have explained the question well.  From this reporting it sounds like one of the reasons for the delay is so his former defense team can respond to the inadequate council claims.  I was wondering if this was a typical thing or not.  Seems irregular. 
 

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Government prosecutor Joycelyn Ballantine filed an unexpected motion Sunday in the case against Michael Flynn for the express purpose of seeking to protect Flynn’s former defense team.

Yes, it’s true and in the prosecutor’s own words: Government prosecutors said in their filing they want “to make certain and clear that counsel [Covington & Burling] may take the necessary steps to vindicate their public reputation by addressing and defending against the defendant’s claims of ineffective assistance of counsel, and equally to vindicate the integrity of this Court’s previous proceedings, the government asks this court to issue the attached proposed order.”

 

 

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On this day, February 14, 2020, I hereby call on Attorney General William Barr to resign. I trust he will consider my petition scrupulously. This post is serious.

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4 minutes ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

On this day, February 14, 2020, I hereby call on Attorney General William Barr to resign. I trust he will consider my petition scrupulously. This post is serious.

I will sign on. I, Ditkaless Wonders, do hereby call upon Attorney General William Barr to immediately resign his post as Attorney General of the United States of America, 

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2 hours ago, dickey moe said:

Barr's possibly (and I emphasize possibly) one of the few guys who can tell Trump to shut up that Trump might listen to.

Trump wanted Barr to hold a press conference and announce that Trump was completely exonerated for his "perfect" phone call with Ukraine. 

Barr told him to pound sand. Trump didn't push back. 

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1 hour ago, Max Power said:

Government prosecutors said in their filing they want “to make certain and clear that counsel [Covington & Burling] may take the necessary steps to vindicate their public reputation by addressing and defending against the defendant’s claims of ineffective assistance of counsel, and equally to vindicate the integrity of this Court’s previous proceedings, the government asks this court to issue the attached proposed order.”

Yes, exactly, and the judge agreed with that, so when faced with that Flynn's lawyers blinked and asked for time to respond to that. Hence the hearing got delayed until briefing could end on it, but basically the judge has already agreed with the DOJ by forcing Flynn to do this. Flynn has backed himself into a corner here. He could either back down and confess his ploy was just a delay tactic (and say he is ready to face the music) or he can forge ahead and face having his statements to his lawyers - including lies and confessions both - released to the DOJ. And then magically whoosh who should appear today.

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9 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:
15 minutes ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

On this day, February 14, 2020, I hereby call on Attorney General William Barr to resign. I trust he will consider my petition scrupulously. This post is serious.

I will sign on. I, Ditkaless Wonders, do hereby call upon Attorney General William Barr to immediately resign his post as Attorney General of the United States of America

I would join but I'm not allowed to sign legal documents any longer. 

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8 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said:

I would join but I'm not allowed to sign legal documents any longer. 

Your moral support is more than sufficient.

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Barr is a Real American Hero.  A True Patriot.  Glad he's the AG of the US.  Nobody has done it better so far than him.

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40 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

I will sign on. I, Ditkaless Wonders, do hereby call upon Attorney General William Barr to immediately resign his post as Attorney General of the United States of America, 

Count me in.

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48 minutes ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

On this day, February 14, 2020, I hereby call on Attorney General William Barr to resign. I trust he will consider my petition scrupulously. This post is serious.

Nah.  We'll keep him.  He's doing great work.

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21 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

Barr is a Real American Hero.  A True Patriot.  Glad he's the AG of the US.  Nobody has done it better so far than him.

Of all the AG’s in history or just Trumps AG’s?

 

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3 hours ago, Sneegor said:

Do you not find it weird how Mueller's team could never find any Russian collusion proof so they went after folks like Flynn or Stone on perjury?  Yet Clapper, Brennan, and McCabe all commit perjury and are not charged at all.  Hhmmmmmmm

So is this your statement of proof?  Finding something “weird”   

So what we have this is one person on a foreign governments payroll while working for our POTUS and has plead guilty vs someone claiming something was “weird” about the Mueller investigation. Yet somehow the former isn’t corrupt but the latter is?  Ok.  

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2 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

So is this your statement of proof?  Finding something “weird”   

So what we have this is one person on a foreign governments payroll while working for our POTUS and has plead guilty vs someone claiming something was “weird” about the Mueller investigation. Yet somehow the former isn’t corrupt but the latter is?  Ok.  

Odd how again when pressed to back up a baseless claim...poof...a vanishing act.

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34 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

Barr is a Real American Hero

Fwiw up to now Barr’s track record is covering up Iran Contra, and snuffing out the Mueller report. Right now he’s adding interference in the Stone and Flynn cases and apparently eviscerating the country’s intelligence capacities. - He’s left John Mitchell in the dust, but hopefully he meets the same fate.

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1 hour ago, BladeRunner said:

Every one!!!

Well at least now I know you weren’t serious.  

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7 minutes ago, Dickies said:

Looks like DN is back. 

Was there any doubt he ever left?

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15 hours ago, BladeRunner said:

Every one!!!

Better than Philander Knox and George Wickersham?

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20 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Max I might be wrong but what I think happened was that after losing so badly in December (opinion above) Flynn decided to pursue blaming ineffective counsel - which is weird because he probably had the best, most effective counsel of all the Mueller defendants and witnesses and subjects and assorted miscreants and neerdowells that formed the Trump JDA. - Which he did pursue... and then the judge said fine but he'll have to show up and declare that he lied on the record when he swore up and down in court that he had lied before to the FBI and he'll have to waive privilege with communications with his lawyers so the DOJ can provide a response after all... and rather than do that he and his lawyers said NAH at the last second, hence the delayed hearing. Obviously unsure when it will get reset but clearly the strategy is to just keep dreaming up new #### until Trump can pardon him.

If defendants routinely receive harsher sentencing for going through with a trial rather than making a plea deal, why wouldn't the judge consider all of these circumstances at sentencing?  i.e. why wouldn't this rise to the level of guidelines ++ ?

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18 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Fwiw up to now Barr’s track record is covering up Iran Contra, and snuffing out the Mueller report. Right now he’s adding interference in the Stone and Flynn cases and apparently eviscerating the country’s intelligence capacities. - He’s left John Mitchell in the dust, but hopefully he meets the same fate.

He didn’t snuff out the Mueller report.  It was released and Mueller was even compelled to testify.  It was discussed ad infinitum before, during and after its release..,mostly before as every piece of “dirt” (read convoluted legal theory mixed with a distortion of facts) they could dig up had already been leaked to the media. 

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7 minutes ago, Sam Quentin said:

He didn’t snuff out the Mueller report.  It was released and Mueller was even compelled to testify.  It was discussed ad infinitum before, during and after its release..,mostly before as every piece of “dirt” (read convoluted legal theory mixed with a distortion of facts) they could dig up had already been leaked to the media. 

What I’m referring to is withholding it and substituting his own memo in advance and then the refusal to release underlying evidence for examination by Congress, which is still being sued on.

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31 minutes ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

If defendants routinely receive harsher sentencing for going through with a trial rather than making a plea deal, why wouldn't the judge consider all of these circumstances at sentencing?  i.e. why wouldn't this rise to the level of guidelines ++ ?

Right, I think judges typically do, and it’s also expensive, which makes the behavior all the more unusual unless Flynn & his lawyers think something unusual outside the normal process will happen to make it worthwhile.

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

What I’m referring to is withholding it and substituting his own memo in advance and then the refusal to release underlying evidence for examination by Congress, which is still being sued on.

He had to hold back on the release so it could be reviewed for redactions related to ongoing matters....that is Mueller’s fault for not doing so...

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Just now, Sam Quentin said:

He had to hold back on the release so it could be reviewed for redactions related to ongoing matters....that is Mueller’s fault for not doing so...

The summaries had nothing that needed redacting. They could have been released immediately.

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3 minutes ago, Sam Quentin said:

He had to hold back on the release so it could be reviewed for redactions related to ongoing matters....that is Mueller’s fault for not doing so...

Mueller prepared non-redacted summaries for immediate release. They remain unredacted to this day.

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