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I’m not sure but apparently 2000+ have now signed on. Considering 3 of the last 5 administrations are GOP and that something like 85% of the signatories have worked in GOP administrations, Barr’s own former GOP boss (who called for his resignation), and the federal judges association have coalesced in defense of independence at Justice... it’s become a chorus of condemnation.jonessed said:
A few years down the line when all the stories come out we’ll find that all the seemingly random decisions Trump made were all for personal benefit. Erdogan either has dirt on Trump or he’s getting something from him. Seems to be a common theme with many world leaders when dealing with Trump.SaintsInDome2006 said:
I do not recall any precedent for such action, though maybe my memory fails. This seems significant. I will watch to see if there is any action or consensus resulting from the meeting. I imagine it may end up split on political affiliate lines which would be a tragedy.
Of course it will. It doesn't matter what the subject or topic is, all that matters is the party.
IMO the courts have been awful in enforcing the civil actions against Trump - the subpoenas, the emoluments, walls and regulatory claims - just so time consuming and clouded. Even when victories are won the decisions are immediately suspended on appeal even when they involve the clearest overreaches of executive power.
The 85% seems rather meaningless. I imagine most career employees have worked under both Democrat and a Republican administrations. Very few of these positions are political appointees.
Well that's sort of the point, these people are career prosecutors, hence not political.
The four prosecutors who resigned have never donated one dollar to any Democrat.
And? I’m simply responding to your statement. We don’t know their political motivations.
And as an example Bill Barr's own former boss is one of the signatories and has written his own piece calling for Barr to resign.
I have no idea why that should matter to me. Were they good friends or something?
True...but it was also in response to people claiming they were all just left wing anti Trump people...which was a very dubious claim in the first place. The fact that 85% of them worked for GOP leadership would indicate that is not the case.
There seems to be little proof of the claim there from a right biased source with issues dealing in factual reporting. Nor does it really dispute anything in the letter or those who signed on to it.
The obvious thrust is that the letter is not representative or somehow partisan. Yeah I'd say 2000+ signatories is broad enough coverage - there are roughly 90 US Attorneys and 2000 prosecutors in any given administration. So obviously this is a good chunk of the alumni. And the fact that a GOP Bush Deputy AG who knew and worked with Barr is a part of this should demonstrate familiarity and seriousness. I really don't want to convince you of anything but the claims are meritless.
It's just an anti trump group collecting signatures. I'm sure they don't have a mailing list.
But your point is refuted by the presence of 85% having worked in the GOP administrations and also William Barr's own former boss who worked in the Reagan and Bush administrations, right?
Well see there's the rub. Criticism of Trump automatically makes one anti-Trump, right? And we're talking devotion - not to party - but to a single leader.
Then you too have a problem with the claims that these were all just anti Trump people? As claimed
It doesn’t indicate anything. I imagine most of these people have worked under both Democrat and Republican administrations.
If this was 70% of all former federal prosecutors I would definitely take notice. I have no idea what 2,000 represents though and no one has been able to put it in perspective. If it’s like 5%, why would I care?
It says prosecutors and officials. How are they defining official?
Not at all. You can criticize Trump and not be anti-trump. I see anti-trumpers as people who criticize everything he does.
I have no idea if they are anti-Trump. I’m not the one making the case that this is is a significant number of people, you are.
I think it's a fair point. Like I said I think there are roughly 90 US Attorneys and 2000 prosecutors in any given administration.
Im agreeing with the case that its a pretty significant number of former officials signing off against the current AG. Much of the numbers posted have been disputing the narrative by a few that they were Anti Trump or just Dem Schtick. A decent percentage having worked for GOP and Dems would refute that on the surface.
That's fair, but the fact that these are substantially Republican and also Barr's own former boss should give some idea that this is a broad swath of people. Obviously that article you posted made it sound like some libprog shadow group creating false claims about Trump. That's clearly not the case. I mean even the piece describes Republicans being involved in Protect Democracy - but as such instead of calling them "Republicans" or "conservatives" they're called "Never Trumpers". You really don't see the self-fulfilling nature of this?
They are substantially Republican now? Where is this information coming from?
I wish all media could tone down the leading words and report only the facts, I'm just not sure that middle sells enough to stay afloat.
It’s Ryan Goodman, who writes for Just Security.
Most of these aren’t even political appointees. The administration they served under is irrelevant. Serving during a Republican administration doesn’t mean the are registered Republicans.
I think you’re just lining up with my point these are career line prosecutors. Thanks for the discussion.
And, if you make a case against Trump, it's clear that you NEVER really loved or supported him, even if you may have contributed $1 Million to his campaign before he appointed you to be an ambassador. Deep State, you know.
This was not his finest hour. But, sooner or later, defending Donald Trump makes you look bad because of the sheer amount of lunacy he voices every day.
