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No Points for you!Should we submit in standard alphabetical form?
No Points for you!Should we submit in standard alphabetical form?
Reverse alpha or reverse chrono would be my choice.Should we submit in standard alphabetical form?
Beautiful thoughts. Thanks. I'll get the donation going later today. And I'm not giving up on her picking up that Hofner bass.Krista - let me just say that this thread has been an absolute joy and a privilege to be a part of. I've adored the Beatles since I was 3 years old (shout out to my Dad), and getting to re-live each song one at a time and the re-triggering of memories and feelings associated with each one has been fantastic. Thank you so much for taking us all on this journey the last few months!
For the charity: Sir Paul lost his mom at 14 years of age. My incredible wife of 20 years lost hers at the age of 12. And while I haven't yet been successful in convincing my wife to buy a Hofner bass and write universally acclaimed, timeless pop songs, I always try my best to help beat the hell out of the ******* that took her mom away far too early.
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I'm going to put a snippet of each song on a tape loop and then randomly draw 10 of them.Reverse alpha or reverse chrono would be my choice.
I don't remember seeing Real Love ranked yet, so that's my guess.I wanted to post both write-ups BAM! BAM! but am swamped with work today so haven't made it to the next one yet. I wonder what it could be??
Always loved the Apple video cover of it, great combo of visual and sound. I think her boyfriend of that time directed it. And the guy in the hat near the end is John C. Reilly.2. Across The Universe (Let It Be, 1970)
Beatles versions - all four official versions linked for comparison
Anthology 2: Spotify YouTube
WWF: Spotify YouTube
Let It Be: Spotify YouTube
Let It Be...Naked: Spotify YouTube (Spotify link is to whole album as I can't find the song)
There’s no reason I should love this song so much. I can’t connect with the spiritual vibe of “Jai guru deva om” (approximate translation is “Victory to God divine”), and I don’t get some soccer-mom-faux-empowerment feeling from the “nothing’s gonna change my world” part. And yet, if I could hear the right recording of it, it would probably be my #1 song. Something in there just scratches my musical itch. What do I mean by the right recording? Well, there are four officially released versions, not to mention any bootlegs, and each of them has something that I wish were slightly different in order to make it my “perfect” version.
I’ll get to the issue of the recordings below, but first here’s what I love most about the song: John’s vocal, the meter, the phrasing, and the lyrics. On the not-messed-with recordings, his voice sounds delicate and gentle, intimate and as beautiful as it’s ever sounded. As for the meter, I love the breathless propulsion and then dramatic slow-down resulting from John’s only singing one note for every syllable in the verses until each time he gets to “universe,” where he gives it a little trill. And finally, there are the lyics and phrasing. My favorite non-Beatle songwriter is legit-poet Leonard Cohen, and the lines in this song are to me as stunning a work of poetry as some of Cohen’s best works. The imagery is stunningly evocative, and the internal rhymes are sublime. The verses are every bit as masterful when read simply as poetry as when committed to song:
Words are flowing out
Like endless rain into a paper cup
They slither wildly as they slip away across the universe
Pools of sorrow waves of joy
Are drifting through my opened mind
Possessing and caressing me
Images of broken light
Which dance before me like a million eyes
They call me on and on across the universe
Thoughts meander like a
Restless wind inside a letter box
They tumble blindly as they make their way across the universe
Sounds of laughter, shades of life
Are ringing through my opened ears
Inciting and inviting me
Limitless undying love
Which shines around me like a million suns
It calls me on and on across the universe
The lyrics came to John as he was lying in bed with his first wife and irritated with her for some reason, but they quickly turned into a “cosmic song” for him: “They were purely inspirational and were given to me. I don't own it, you know; it came through like that. I don't know where it came from, what meter it's in, and I've sat down and looked at it and said, 'Can I write another one with this meter?' Such an extraordinary meter and I can never repeat it! It's not a matter of craftsmanship; it wrote itself. It drove me out of bed. It's like being possessed; like a psychic or a medium. The thing has to go down. It won't let you sleep, so you have to get up, make it into something, and then you're allowed to sleep.” John considered these possibly the best lyrics he ever wrote, and this time I agree with John – they’re perfectly breathtaking.
As to those recordings… The song was originally recorded in early 1968 and intended as a possible single, but it was shelved in favor of “Lady Madonna” and others. On these first recordings were John on vocal, George on a sitar for the intro and tambura elsewhere, John and Paul on acoustic guitars, and Ringo on svaramandal. Take two of these recordings was released on Anthology 2 in 1996.
As the band continued to record and re-record the song, Paul decided to step outside the studio and ask a couple of the Apple Scruffs to join the newly harmonized chorus on backing vocals. Two teenage girls then joined as singers on the chorus, and the group also added the wah-wah guitar part, maracas, and Paul on piano. The first officially released version was based on this version and released in December 1969 on a charity album for the World Wildlife Fund. But before release, the sounds of birds and children playing were added, and the song was sped up a semitone from D to E flat.
The next version to be released was the Spector-ized version on Let It Be in 1970. For this version, Spector slowed the song back down, all the way to D flat, stripped out the existing backing vocals, and added a 50-piece orchestra and a choir.
In 2003, the Let It Be...Naked version was mixed and released, stripping out from the Let It Be version all but John’s vocal and acoustic guitar and George’s tambura.
Or something like that. Whew.
What we ended up with, then, were wildly different versions of the same song, all with different tempos and feels. John loved the Spector version, calling it one of his best songs, and he even went so far as to accuse Paul of having sabotaged the earlier versions (for instance, by bringing in girls from the street to sing backing vocals). I, as usual, don’t enjoy the Spector-ization at all. But I also am not a fan of the WWF version due to all the bird noises and faster tempo, which I think makes John vocal sound wrong. That leaves me with the naked version, which I find too stripped down, and the Anthology version, which ends up as my favorite but I really want that wah-wah guitar and some other elements on there.
Ideally, this is what someone needs to do for me: take the version recorded for WWF before the birds and #### were added and it was sped up, then also strip out the crappy girls’ voices and add the sitar from Anthology 2. Or, take the Anthology 2 version and add the backing harmonies from Paul and George, the maracas, the bass, and the wah-wah guitar. Get to it!
Fun fact: In 2008, to celebrate the 40thanniversary of this song and NASA’s 50thanniversary, the song was transmitted into space, toward the star Polaris, 431 light years from Earth, becoming the first song ever intentionally transmitted into deep space.
Mr. krista:
[Regarding naked version.] “That’s definitely what John Lennon sounds like. He doesn’t sound like that in the other one.
[Regarding Let It Be version.] It’s slowed down, so it sounds like a lower key. There’s all that reverb because that’s how Phil Spector could make it sound dreamy, because he’s a hack. Listen to all that whoo-ooo-ooo part.
“Obviously I really like that song. The naked version is the best version. Really not digging Phil Spector version. Seems like the studio stuff they’d done before was for joyful experimentation or to make a point on the record, and this is just tricks and hacks and Phil Spector’s trying to justify a paycheck. That orchestration is how you’d orchestrate an Esther Williams dream sequence in a Hollywood production, which is where he’s at. It’s a lovely song. I like the straight eighth-notes, because it seems breathless since the end of the line is the beginning of the next line. It’s strange that more people don’t recognize it as one of the best Beatles songs, and that they seemed so unsatisfied even though they recorded it 500 different times.”
Suggested covers – Rufus Wainwright Fiona Apple David Bowie
I assumed it was going to be Leave My Kitten AloneI don't remember seeing Real Love ranked yet, so that's my guess.
Here's a cover you can us: Real Love
a brilliant one, that my parents would sing all the time! my dad loved bluegrass. and grass. my dad loved the guitar work in this one and would play it often.4. I've Just Seen A Face (Help!, 1965)
Beatles version: Spotify YouTube
At the other end of the spectrum from "For No One," this time Paul describes the breathless feeling of the first inklings of falling in love. It's a simple song in comparison to many of my other favorites, but it's perfect in the way it propels you through, with that fast tempo and the lyrical cascades expressing the insistent nature of these feelings. I love the all-acoustic nature (first time recorded for a Beatles song, though later that day "Yesterday" became the second), beginning with those falling, double-tracked triplets that make me feel like I'm actually, y'know, falling. Then the song moves into a folk, almost-Bluegrass sound, with no bass and with only Ringo joining the guitars by brushing the snare.
The first verse is sung without Paul's having taken a breath, adding to the urgency and excitement he's expressing; he's able to repeat this on the fourth verse as well. The choruses feature Paul harmonizing with himself, and his vocals in these sections even outdo what he accomplishes in the verses. This song ranks high on the "can I sing along to it" scale, as I can sing both of the vocal parts (not at the same time) just as Paul did, albeit not with quite that same skill. Paul's acoustic accompaniment and George's 12-string work, in particular his solo, are excellent, and Ringo adds the perfect C&W feel with the brushed snares and maracas.
The lyrics are simple on their face, but, when combined with the propulsion of the tempo and the cascades, they perfectly capture that sense of head-over-heels infatuation. I love the internal rhyme schemes as well, which give more texture to the verses' vocal that doesn't jump around on many notes. For instance, on these lines, note how the three sets of rhymes often come mid-measure: "I have never known the like of this I've been alone and I have missed things and kept out of sight but other girls were never quite like this."
Pure pop/C&W/folk/bluegrass perfection from Paul.
Mr. krista: “I love that song. First, the guitar part in the beginning is really fine playing, not pretentious. Song is so fast, with that anticipatory feeling of falling in love that you really believe him. Kind of repeats himself, in that feeling of lalala, you know what I’m talking about because I’m a dude whistling to get laid. Not many love songs invoke that feeling of falling in love, that excitement and anticipation. Kind of a master song writer thing."
Suggested cover: Leon Russell intensified bluegrass version. Brandi Carlile does a decent cover, but only live, with crowd noise that I find too distracting to link any of them.
I read you write-ups so I do remember that.Real Love and Free As A Bird were discussed earlier as to why they wouldn't be in my rankings.
Man, it must a been awesome to be at your place as a kid.a brilliant one, that my parents would sing all the time! my dad loved bluegrass. and grass. my dad loved the guitar work in this one and would play it often.
Pools of sorrow, waves of joy.As a fellow "In My Life" #1 person, I feel that this agreement with K4 supercedes every single one of our disagreements. The universe is in harmony, or some such ####.
That line; it could be the subject of a dissertation. Perhaps even in certain life science programs.Pools of sorrow, waves of joy.
Hmm. Weird thing. Whenever i listen to Across the Universe, i "hear" a descending modal scale beginning on the word "world" in the chorus. It's what i like most about the song (because John is modes and modes are John) - i hear it descend three times and ascend the 4th. Just listened to all four versions you listed and none of them have it. The WWF version suggests it, but that's the first time i've heard that version so that's not it. There's a descending scale at the end of the Spector, but not in the way i hear it. Must be sumn my head just adds. Same thing happens a lot when i listen to Joni Mitchell records because, in a lot of her songs, she comes up with a melody, finds the harmony, then throws out the melody and sings the harmony. Of course, then a harmony singer listens to it and "hears" Joni's first draft. That's fun, but this is perplexing.2. Across The Universe (Let It Be, 1970)
Beatles versions - all four official versions linked for comparison
it was pretty damn cool!.. i miss the #### out of my dad, and it's been 27 years. mostly, i wish he could have met my wife and daughter. thinking about him singing to his granddaughter is making me cry as i write this.Man, it must a been awesome to be at your place as a kid.
Heck...as anything.
There's another version I've read about but not heard that's out there somewhere. It could have been on that one.Hmm. Weird thing. Whenever i listen to Across the Universe, i "hear" a descending modal scale beginning on the word "world" in the chorus. It's what i like most about the song (because John is modes and modes are John) - i hear it descend three times and ascend the 4th. Just listened to all four versions you listed and none of them have it. The WWF version suggests it, but that's the first time i've heard that version so that's not it. There's a descending scale at the end of the Spector, but not in the way i hear it. Must be sumn my head just adds. Same thing happens a lot when i listen to Joni Mitchell records because, in a lot of her songs, she comes up with a melody, finds the harmony, then throws out the melody and sings the harmony. Of course, then a harmony singer listens to it and "hears" Joni's first draft. That's fun, but this is perplexing.
Most importantly, this means we have the same favorite Beatles' song . My Mary smiles up to me and her breastbone rattles with a purr of peace & pleasure.
11 field goals going wide right?what are these supposed to represent?
I don't know either but just assumed it was something very good.what are these supposed to represent?
Just found Tape #1 of the Alphabetical Beatles i taped off the radio 30some years which was how i listened to the Fabs for a generation. It's the Spector on that. So, just a trick of my head, more or less. Hmm.There's another version I've read about but not heard that's out there somewhere. It could have been on that one.
There's also a take that was released on the White Album 50th anniversary edition last year, but I don't think that would be it.
Bells ringing to celebrate the accomplishment I assumewhat are these supposed to represent?
Now that # 1 is revealed I'm curious if you remember what Mr. Krista's incorrect guesses were? I wonder if he was at least close.I just read to Mr. krista the list of guesses of my #1, and he commented on them and then responded with, "It's [not my #1 song]." I thought he was joking and laughed until I saw his look of confusion. Then he said, "Oh yeah, it's [also not my #1 song]." On third try, he got it right. *Divorce re-pending.*
Pretty sure those are turkeys, no?Bells ringing to celebrate the accomplishment I assume
My apologies to early and late Beatles.Final album stats: Revolver your clear "winner" with both mean and median rankings 14-16 spots better than runner-up Help!
Album High Low Mean Median
---------------------- ---- --- ---- ------
Please Please Me 35 202 131 147
With the Beatles 12 194 140 149
A Hard Day’s Night 23 161 82 72
Beatles for Sale 56 185 137 149
Help! 4 157 72 64
Rubber Soul 1 158 75 77
Revolver 5 159 58 48
Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band 6 165 92 89
Magical Mystery Tour 44 197 143 160
The Beatles (aka White Album) 10 204 114 120
Yellow Submarine 31 171 114 127
Abbey Road 3 196 90 88
Let it Be 2 200 108 105
Singles, etc. 9 198 98 99
Standings by mean (average) rank:
Album High Low Mean Median
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Revolver 5 159 58 48
Help! 4 157 72 64
Rubber Soul 1 158 75 77
A Hard Day’s Night 23 161 82 72
Abbey Road 3 196 90 88
Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band 6 165 92 89
Singles, etc. 9 198 98 99
Let it Be 2 200 108 105
The Beatles (aka White Album) 10 204 114 120
Yellow Submarine 31 171 114 127
Please Please Me 35 202 131 147
Beatles for Sale 56 185 137 149
With the Beatles 12 194 140 149
Magical Mystery Tour 44 197 143 160
Rubber Soul and Hard Day's Night would flip-flop based on median rank, but nothing else would change. Abbey Road and Sgt Pepper in a near dead heat.
Yeah, they were both top 10. I think one was "I'm So Tired" and the other was "Across The Universe."Now that # 1 is revealed I'm curious if you remember what Mr. Krista's incorrect guesses were? I wonder if he was at least close.
Two I'm writing up...Yeah, they were both top 10. I think one was "I'm So Tired" and the other was "Across The Universe."
Oh, you're right; I'm not the highest.I'm not sure if you had the highest ranking for "I'm So Tired," are you? @Sebowski is a big fan.
And actually, if he ever pokes his head in here again, that's Mr. krista's #1.
Haha. No disrespect @krista4! I swear it looks like a turkey.Pretty sure those are turkeys, no?