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***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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timschochet
Footballguy
Respectfully, Don’t Noonan, I may have misunderstood you so I need you to clarify something for me please. I get that you’re saying that Mulvaney insisted there was no quid pro quo with regard to Hunter Biden. But what about a quid pro quo with regard to the DNC server investigation? Do you agree that Mulvaney admitted to that? Yes or no, please.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
“If it was all about corruption and that was the only thing the president talked about and Mulvaney talked about, [it's] perfectly appropriate," he said. "But once you bring in the name of your opponent -- Hunter Biden, Joe Biden -- once you talk about the 2016 election, you’ve gone beyond corruption. You’ve made it political, personal. That was the central flaw here we’re all discussing."
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
badmojo1006
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Seriously...WTH happened in the Trump Supporter safe space thread? They get their "opposition" banned in there, so now they are coming in here for attention?
dkp993
Footballguy
Don’t agree at all any of that is obvious. But they should be afraid of losing to him. The advantages an incumbent President has of reelection is staggering. If Donald doesn’t get reelected it speaks volumes about how awful he is.
These weak ### talking points you all continue to parrot about this being about overturning the 2016 election are asinine. Even if (and thats the most monumental IF ever with Mitch running the Senate) Donald was removed Hillary ain’t walking through that door. The argument make no sense, but it’s not about sense it’s about fear mongering pure and simple. All anyone has to do is read the emails his supports keep getting sent, it’s straight from the fear mongers hand book.
ffldrew
Footballguy
He thinks President Obama knows and is behind it - Trump said in the press conference the other day. Got away with it clean.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Edited in the spirit of JB's edict.
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mr roboto
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Nobody is trying to illegally oust him. It is completely false to claim that.
I will vote in 2020 and many others will...this is all motivating people to vote and get rid of the GOP corruption and obstruction in the Oval and Senate.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Good. Thank you. Two more questions:
1. Do you personally believe Mulvaney was telling the truth at the press conference with regard to this? Or do you think that when he took it back, that is the truth?
2. If Mulvaney was telling the truth the first time around, do you have any problem with holding money from Ukraine in order to get Ukraine to cooperate in an investigation based on a highly suspect conspiracy theory?
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
If Ukraine has the server and Trump finds the 30,000 deleted emails and proves Russia did not hack her will that help Trump politically?
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[scooter]
Footballguy
LOL
What's your evidence for this? Just "Nope"?
My evidence is that the two requests are part of the same transcript, literally seconds apart. My evidence is that 2 out of the 3 reasons cited by Mulvaney in his testimony ("corruption in the country" and "cooperating in an ongoing DOJ investigation") are specifically linked to Biden during Trump's phone call with Zelensky.
The two requests are part of the same transcript, literally seconds apart.
Mulvaney cannot admit to one without tacitly admitting to the other.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
The revolt would probably be what is illegal. If he is impeached and removed it would be done by the legal process given to congress. Can you please cite how it is illegal?
badmojo1006
Footballguy
No he doesn't. He doesn't care, he just needs distractions to try and deflect the onslaught of charges coming at him
apalmer
Footballguy
Yeah, that's why Hannity was calling him an idiot for admitting it. If Hannity isn't buying the spin, you know you've got problems.I feel the same way about you guys so I don't know what to tell you. I come hear and am constantly amazed at what you guys believe.
timschochet
Footballguy
I think you’re conflating Hillary’s emails with the DNC server. Since Trump has done this himself, I’m not surprised you would as well, but they’re two separate debunked crazy conspiracy theories (unless you subscribe to QAnon where from what I understand it all runs together.)
KCitons
Footballguy
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
He may have misspoke, not sure. As for 2 I have no problem with Trump asking for assistance, no.
[scooter]
Footballguy
The problem is that the same phone call also includes a request to investigate the Bidens.
The Trump administration has confirmed that this request was tied to U.S. foreign aid.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I would disagree. I have full confidence in several of the candidates and so does the DNC.
Nothing about this impeachment is made up conspiracy theory. its all clearly out there, the allegations and complaint. It is simply part of the duty of congress to perform this oversight. You don't just stop that because an election is just over a year away.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
To be fair, I don't think the prospect of some violence if Trump were actually removed from office (as opposed to his resigning) is that ridiculous a proposition. And that's one reason, and maybe completely physically dying as a party, why the Senate GOP might actually not convict.
- I think I heard on the news today (CNN) that impeachment by Thanksgiving is a possibility so it's moving fast.
- I think I heard on the news today (CNN) that impeachment by Thanksgiving is a possibility so it's moving fast.
sho nuff
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
@Don't Noonan Even giving you and Mulvaney the benefit of the doubt - just because someone says "no quid pro quo" does not make it so. Just as if your favorite punching bag Schiff says something, it does not necessarily make it true.
dkp993
Footballguy
Sure, and if my dog grows wings he would fly. If they open the basement at the pizza parlor and 1000’s of pictures of powerful people with little kid came out that would too. Doesn’t make any of it realistic. This sever thing at Ukraine has been shot down time and time again, by HIS people. It’s a delusion.
timschochet
Footballguy
OK thank you.
Sadly, I’m forced to stick to my original assessment. I was hoping I would have had the chance to apologize to you for misjudging your opinions. But I didn’t.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
And being specifically directed to write that very thing by the principle, Trump, makes that statement evidence of a cover-up, not exculpation.
sho nuff
Footballguy
That has already been investigated and determined who hacked the DNC server. Whats this about Hillary's emails? Care to cite where they were hacked and why Ukraine would have any such information?
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
What server would Ukraine have? Seriously...this needs to be answered at some point by Trump or you or anyone.
What server does he or you think Ukraine has?
We already have proof Russia hacked the DNC server (this is not Hillary's server...you know this by now...so why spreading false information like this?)
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Fwiw this discussion is probably an exact mirror of how a conversation with Trump himself would go on this matter. This is the White House position.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
[scooter]
Footballguy
It's Qanon nonsense.
It's difficult to have a good faith discussion when you're talking to someone who can't even get the conspiracy theories straight.
It’s not about finding out who did it, it’s about clearing Russia of wrongdoing. That will open up the door for him to remove the sanctions.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
KCitons
Footballguy
Some violence vs revolt are two different things. We have some violence now between the right and the left. What level of elevation are we expecting if there is an impeachment and removal of Trump?
The reason I ask, is that it seems @Don't Noonan is spreading fear. Something that I don't think is substantiated by any other source. (unless you want to use @Riversco as a reliable source). The threat of violence and specifically a violent revolution is not one that should be taken lightly. It's why I asked for clarification.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
It was great for him and Pelosi not waiting for transcript made her look foolish
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Right. The Ukraine War was one obstacle, and this is now another. This is exactly it. The man works at this every day like this is the actual job.
the moops
Footballguy
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ok, interesting take, considering Taylor, Sondland, Yovanovitch and the SDNY indictments, not mention the White House's own statements are backing up everything Pelosi or any other Trump critic claimed.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
See, you are living in your fake news bubble. Amazing how many of you only watch Fox News and listen to conservative media and come in here and continually be proven wrong by actual facts. How do you do it?How can it be a cover up if call transcript was released?
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