He wants to seem like he has no choice to save face with the GOP base. First it was that he was gonna wait for the lawsuit to be settled now it’s waiting for the Senate to subpoena him. I do think he wants to tell his story and damage Trump. I wouldn’t be surprised if in the days leading up to the witness vote he drops some clues of what new information he might offer.
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cosjobs
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Of course there are. Not going to be a big number but I would imagine some.
There aren’t enough Trump supporters in this country to elect him. For that he’s going to need independents and former Obama supporters in the battleground states to vote for him again.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Been that way for decades. Trump isn't the root problem, he's just a very malignant symptom.
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All the more reason to release it to exonerate the Big Man so we can get back to winning without these distractions.
Dickies
Footballguy
badmojo1006
Footballguy
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Yeah, California is just terrible. It's like a scene out of "The Road Warrior" over here.
I’m not watching, but I see reports that Schiff is quoting Hamilton a lot. That’s smart because everybody likes a good rhyme.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
5th largest economy in the world. A vote by a Californian should count the same as a vote by a North Dakotan, imo.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
And the best part is that it won't be under oath so he can say whatever the hell he wants.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
True. But it's no coincidence that most blue voters are from places like New York City, Los Angeles, etc. That's where the high paying jobs are. Where the money is. He could fabricate his story to make Trump seem less-horrible, but what target audience is he shooting for? Sure, he's not under oath and can say whatever he wants, but if he really wants to get rich, tell the truth and open sales to the people who are going to spend the money to read the true story. Donald Jr needed major help from the RNC to make it seem like anyone bought his book.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
California's GDP is a little under 1/6 of the entire country's GDP and I believe its real GDP growth has outpaced the United States in general every year since 2012.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Or he could tell the truth or make it even sound worse for the President. Without having to testify under oath he is free to do whatever he wants, whether it is to sell books, get revenge, settle a score, etc.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Wait. You mean you guys don't eat grapefruits like apples?
For the most part I agree but even though some may not agree with their policy former Senators McCain, Flake, and Senator Romney and former Governor Kasich seem sincere to me but they are outcast for the most part by current Republicans
parrot
Footballguy
Is that a new horse? Also how is 13% of the population - of which less than half voted in the last national election - going to "decide our elections"?
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Dickies
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Yes and no.Has this fallen short of the 2/3 majority vote and ended this debacle, yet?
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I wouldn't be surprised if Mconnell allows a few vulnerable senators to vote for removal. Even if 6 or 7 vote that way, it won't even be close to removing Trump from office.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
And completely expected - at least by me. I'm just glad to get all those Republican Senators on record, especially those in tight races. Let their constituents decide if they're happy with the way their Senators acted and let history judge them accordingly.
cosjobs
Footballguy
Unsure. But he's crazy hawkish and would never appeal to the other side. He'll have to decide to kill his political future with the current iteration of the Republican party or hope the next iteration forgives him for dealing out testimony that undercuts the trump Presidency.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
That one guy
Footballguy
What’s this statement Schiff is referencing about “Ukraine throwing it back in our face”? Supposedly something along the lines of “you mean like the investigations into Biden and Burisma you want”
cosjobs
Footballguy
cosjobs
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
cosjobs
Footballguy
Not as outcast as they would be if they actually followed a moral compass, rather than talking about it
cosjobs
Footballguy
why is it a debacle?Has this fallen short of the 2/3 majority vote and ended this debacle, yet?
timschochet
Footballguy
Schiff is destroying Trump here. Doing a great job.
The Commish
Footballguy
The transition from "the call was perfect" to "that thing he did isn't impeachable" has been mesmerising to watch. One has to appreciate the rug being pulled out from apologists/supporters feet by their own at every turn.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Because personal interest has dismantled the proper functioning of our system of government.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Debacle, sham, coup....all statements made with zero offered when asked why someone would call it that.
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It is curious to see how they contradict themselves almost within the same sentence in an effort to deflect this back somehow, and constantly failing in that effort.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I wonder if they'll just dispense with shucking and jiving other excuses and jump straight to "whatever he did was o.k./not a big deal" for all future Trump improprieties from now on. Save us all some time. If we're going to have grotesque corruption and crime at the highest levels of government, let's at least make it efficient.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Schiff: “Trump said, before I give the Ukraine my money...except it’s not his money. It’s the American taxpayers money.”
Schiff is doing excellent. Now he’s going over Trump’s various explanations and exposing them as lies.
Schiff is doing excellent. Now he’s going over Trump’s various explanations and exposing them as lies.
jm192
Footballguy
They’re not suppressing evidence. They voted to keep their rules and to vote on witnesses after hearing the House’s case and the defense.
The House ran their own partisan show and then barges in the Senate demanding their way once again.
timschochet
Footballguy
I’m not sure there is anything he can say that would move the needle with you, but I also suspect you’re not the target audience. I’m not either.
HellToupee
Footballguy
This Schiff is a real embarrassment
timschochet
Footballguy
This argument will not fly with the public. Bolton knows what happened. Why are they keeping Bolton from testifying? Your answer won’t satisfy anyone.
The Commish
Footballguy
This is the best card they have left. In any other time in our history, it would give everyone pause. Today? Full steam ahead baby!!!
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