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gianmarco said:
Don't remember if it was you last time that complained about him, but Oliver is one of the top referees in EPL.
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I don't remember complaining about him before, but IMO knowing a EPL referee's name is not a good thing.  Couldn't tell you who did the last Spurs match, but yet I always see Oliver's name popping up for key calls.

 
Does someone have video of the red card?   I want to see the play, who had the ball, where the tackle came from....

All I can see twitter is a still frame that of course makes it look like a red card.  And that's the problem.  It always looks worse on a freeze frame. 

 
B Maverick said:
Does someone have video of the red card?   I want to see the play, who had the ball, where the tackle came from....

All I can see twitter is a still frame that of course makes it look like a red card.  And that's the problem.  It always looks worse on a freeze frame. 
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I watched it on the match highlights... Looked like he's going in for the tackle and moves the foot to make contact with leg, instead of going for ball. Intentional or not, dunno. Studs were up too, iirc- kind of a stomp. From the replay based on all of that, looked like a red to me.

 
El Floppo said:
Ah. Clumsy, no intent as he's kind of stumbling and reaching for the ball and planting the other foot, but comes down nastily (leg breaking style) on the other guys shin...yeah...red.

You guys see different?
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Absolutely. He was pushed by the West Ham player that caused him to lose his balance. Didn't even see he was going to make contact with the other player. No intent and wouldn't call it reckless.  It was purely accidental. Unfortunate but not a red for me at all.

 
El Floppo said:
I watched it on the match highlights... Looked like he's going in for the tackle and moves the foot to make contact with leg, instead of going for ball. Intentional or not, dunno. Studs were up too, iirc- kind of a stomp. From the replay based on all of that, looked like a red to me.
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El Floppo said:
Ah. Clumsy, no intent as he's kind of stumbling and reaching for the ball and planting the other foot, but comes down nastily (leg breaking style) on the other guys shin...yeah...red.

You guys see different?
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He appears to get tangled up with the first WH player (was that a foul by WH?), then is off balance and lunges in away from the ball and lands on the ankle.  For me that's a red. Dangerous play as neither played the ball.

BUT here are the issues:

1) Oliver walks up and the first thing he sees is a still shot of studs on ankle.  Already he's thinking red.
2) They need to start the video from before the contact with the previous player that sends him into his own. Gives everything context (how did we get here?).  It may not matter in this case, but in some like the one that the defender clears a ball and the forward runs into his natural leg motion and gets hit, should be a foul on the forward not a red for the defender. Defender plays the ball, forward doesn't. 
3) Its Michael Oliver.

 
El Floppo said:
Ah. Clumsy, no intent as he's kind of stumbling and reaching for the ball and planting the other foot, but comes down nastily (leg breaking style) on the other guys shin...yeah...red.

You guys see different?
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That's how I see it too.  Maybe you let him off with the yellow because he's kind of off-balance, but it's pretty severe contact studs to shin.  Either way is probably not wrong.

 
gianmarco said:
Absolutely. He was pushed by the West Ham player that caused him to lose his balance. Didn't even see he was going to make contact with the other player. No intent and wouldn't call it reckless.  It was purely accidental. Unfortunate but not a red for me at all.
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I disagree.  He knew the player was coming in which is why he lunges to his left.  Its worse that he's off balance but he's trying to protect the ball and missed, leaving his studs on the ankle.  And neither of them played the ball...

Now if we want to ask if the WH player fouled him into the tackle, then we need the video further back.  And does him being fouled into the tackle bring it back and negate the red card?  

 
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I’ve got a few months before I can look at the table, but it seems a pretty good start for West Ham with 2 wins and 8 goals.  I wouldn’t be selling Declan Rice either. 

 
El Floppo said:
Ah. Clumsy, no intent as he's kind of stumbling and reaching for the ball and planting the other foot, but comes down nastily (leg breaking style) on the other guys shin...yeah...red.

You guys see different?
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I can see it being red. He wasn’t fully in control and  was off balance, but still, his last step is intentionally trying to step across the West Ham player. That shows enough control for a red imo. 

 
B Maverick said:
CletiusMaximus said:
I’ve got a few months before I can look at the table, but it seems a pretty good start for West Ham with 2 wins and 8 goals.  I wouldn’t be selling Declan Rice either. 
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WHU shouldn't sell Rice at this time.  What they need to do is buy Lingardhino!!
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I think they might be buying Kurt Zouma from Chelsea here in the next day or so.

One week to go in the summer transfer window.

 
Looking a little closer at the Bayern score - Bremer had a man sent off at 76', and Bayern continued to show them respect to the tune of 4 more goals.

 
There’s nothing worse than waking up early on a Saturday to watch the EPL and you get treated to a minnow being thrashed by one of the top clubs.

#artetaOut

 
Arteta probably should not survive the International Break.   Arsenal have a huge 6-pointer v. Norwich after the break, can't afford to lose that one.

 
Both Newcastle and Ipswich gave up 2-1 leads in added time and I was lucky enough to see them both live nearly simultaneously. Going to the Phoenix Rising game live tonight so I can be punched in person.

 
Didn't expect Firmino and Elliott to start in place of Jota and Thiago. 

I get why you might want the face-melting pressure Firmino brings up front, but it's a giant show of faith in the 18 year old Elliott to give him the green light vs Chelsea.

 
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Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Didn't expect Firmino and Elliott to start in place of Jota and Thiago. 

I get why you might want the face-melting pressure Firmino brings up front, but it's a giant show of faith in the 18 year old Elliott to give him the green light vs Chelsea.
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Watched a bit of Elliott last week - probably the most impressive of the Liverpool CMs, and certainly has the most going forward.

But, still a big call for Klopp.

 
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