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✍ Knowshon Moreno to season ending IR. (1 Viewer)
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ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
No, you are probably right.
They do seem high on second year guard Dallas Thomas, and love Billy Turner (rookie) as a run blocker. 2 new tackles in Albert and 1st rounder Juwan James. Pouncey back mid season - at that point, the line COULD be pretty good. Even with him on the shelf, I think it will be better than last year when we didn't have a pro-caliber tackle on our roster. Lots of "ifs" for sure...but there is some hope for improvement there. Tack on the new OC who by default has to be better than Mike Sherman, because if we threw a rock at a high school coaching staff in Hallendale, we could hit a better OC than Mike Sherman (unless maybe Tannehill was throwing the rock, and it was more than 20 yards away). There is hope, as there always is this time of year in Miami.
cstu
Footballguy
Banger
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
Mr Non Sequitur
Footballguy
Don't know if you are aware but his last 3 seasons he totaled 1,381(7 Tds)/1,278(8 Tds)/1,512(7 TDs) and then sprinkle in about 130+ receptions including 54 last year in a pretty fast paced offense despite splitting duties. If J.Bell were to miss any time you likely have a top 5 dual threat over those weeks in a Detroit offense. Let's be honest about it. He's no Jamaal Charles or LeSean McCoy but not one drafts Reggie as an RB1, he's a perfect RB2 type or strong flex.I don't know about good
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
MoveToSkypager
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cstu
Footballguy
Granted, but where Moreno can be successful is in the passing game. He caught 60 passes last year and has a career 8.9 YPR (higher than Bush's 7.6 YPR). IMO he's the best receiving back on the team and can be a great outlet for Tannehill. Even if Moreno doesn't reach 1000 yards due to the OL he can still make it up in receptions. If he's healthy I think he makes a solid RB2.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Moreno set to make his debut in DAL Saturday.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/08/22/4304034/miami-dolphins-knowshon-moreno.html
http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/08/22/4304034/miami-dolphins-knowshon-moreno.html
Is there any doubt in any of our minds at this point that Moreno will be the starter in Miami this year?
He was quiet all preseason, injured. Just before the season he comes in and steals the starting role with solid play and excellent pass pro.
We have seen this story play out before...with Moreno...for the past 2 seasons.
It's happening again. Miller will be the change of pace. And Moreno will once again price to be the steal of many drafts. Although this game tonight will surely cause his adp to rise and millers to fall.
I'd even argue that he is more talented than miller.
He was quiet all preseason, injured. Just before the season he comes in and steals the starting role with solid play and excellent pass pro.
We have seen this story play out before...with Moreno...for the past 2 seasons.
It's happening again. Miller will be the change of pace. And Moreno will once again price to be the steal of many drafts. Although this game tonight will surely cause his adp to rise and millers to fall.
I'd even argue that he is more talented than miller.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I don't think he's going to be quite the steal he was last year but yeah, I agree on all counts.
Jimbo Slice
Footballguy
He just went Undrafted in my draft today. 190 players taken. 2 rb and a flex. I guess I'm guilty too but always wanted someone over him. crazy
ourmanflint
Footballguy
No doubt Moreno looks better and will win the starting job. If he doesn't that's just poor coaching. Miller just doesn't seem to have a next level in him. From all of the back patting, it seems the team recognizes it as well. If Tannehill could just throw a long ball, Miami could have a fairly potent offense.
purestrength
Footballguy
I have the Saints-Colts game on TV, not this one. Who started at RB for the Phins?
purestrength
Footballguy
I guess Miller started & Moreno came off the bench.
Todem
Footballguy
If Moreno stays healthy....as Dolphins fan I will be thrilled to have this RBBC. Both backs do different things well.
Miller has been running tougher this pre-season...lowering is shoulder and showing he wants it. Moreno did look...well like Moreno. Tough runner, solid pass protect. A worker.
Miller will be a HR hitter and Moreno the grinder. It's exactly what the Fins want. I don't think either back will be a "steal" if both are healthy all year. It will be a pretty clear RBBC and a split situation. Fantasy owners thinking now Moreno will be that workhorse will be hugely disappointed.
Only an injury will cause either back to be the "guy"
Miller has been running tougher this pre-season...lowering is shoulder and showing he wants it. Moreno did look...well like Moreno. Tough runner, solid pass protect. A worker.
Miller will be a HR hitter and Moreno the grinder. It's exactly what the Fins want. I don't think either back will be a "steal" if both are healthy all year. It will be a pretty clear RBBC and a split situation. Fantasy owners thinking now Moreno will be that workhorse will be hugely disappointed.
Only an injury will cause either back to be the "guy"
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
A guy who averaged 4.0 YPC last year and whose longest TD was from 10 yards is gonna be a home run hitter? Sorry, man, not buying that.
Todem
Footballguy
Ghost......if your just going to base it on his season last year....you never watched him play at UM. The guy will hit some HR's this year. This team last year was an abortion on the OL. They are much improved from last year.
But you can make your assessment any way you want. He has elite speed and has HR hitting potential.
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Mr Non Sequitur
Footballguy
Moreno looked really good at finding holes and also was key on pass blocking. I saw him pick up the blitz a couple times and made it look easy.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
We'll see. I usually don't care what guys did in college, cause the pros is a whole different ball game. There are tons of guys who lit it up in college with big plays and whatnot who got to the pros and suddenly found that their speed wasn't so special after all.
Mr Non Sequitur
Footballguy
He's not special he's efficient. He's efficient at finding holes and gaining positive yards. He's efficient at picking up the blitz and simply setting Tannehill up so he can deliver the ball, that means more snaps IMO. He's efficient in pass catching even if he doesn't do a lot with it and just plunges ahead.
Jack of all trades, master of none.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
You went from Miller would easily win the job and excel, while Moreno would probably not even make the team, to now a RBBC. At this rate of back peddling Moreno should be an all pro within two weeks.
fantasy stud
Footballguy
We officially have a full blown rbbc. In my opinion, miller is undraftable at his adp and Moreno is a steal at his.
purestrength
Footballguy
I think Moreno is likely to make the team now.
Disagree. Perhaps it starts off as an rbbc but once philbin sees the disparity in production it won't last long. Last year miller and thomas were in an rbbc BC both of them sucked equally. And this is coming from a (disappointed) miller dynasty owner who just signed the kid to a 2 year deal in his league.
The O line was horrid last year and so it made it difficult to assess miller's true potential. Miller has had a decent not great preseason behind a better O line. He's had every opportunity to show that he has "it" and that wow factor and he did not. Moreno steps in in the most important preseason game when players on both sides are playing for real and thoroughly outplays miller (including big plays), shows power, toughness, tackle breaking ability, better pass pro ability, and sparked a fire in his teammates.
Even if you think philbin is dumb, give lazor the benefit of the doubt. They don't want to be constantly switching RBS in and out of the lineup. It clues the defense in as to what the offense is doing. If one of these backs is head and shoulders better than the other in the first few games he will become the starter and the other the backup.
I see people on here calling Moreno "efficient" but not exciting or supremely talented.
That's fine by me. What would you rather have I your fantasy team: an "efficient" Rb who is on the field for 60% or more of the teams offensive snaps, getting 15-20 touches per game, getting all the goal line carries and ripping off nice runs like Moreno did last night,
Or
A "home run" hitting back up Rb who is basically a one trick pony and needs to get the all in space with great blocking in order for him to produce,and who gets 10 combined carries/catches per game?
I'll take the efficient Moreno over the home run hitter miller any day.
I hope I'm wrong BC I own miller in dynasty and not Moreno but I think at this point I've seen enough of miller to know what he is. A very fast one trick pony kind of back in the nfl. A career backup Rb.
Bet against Moreno at your own peril. When my draft comes on Wednesday I'm targeting him and staying away from miller unless miller falls in the draft.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Lazor is now a disciple of Chip Kelly, right? Well that would mean there is a lot of emphasis on running. The Eagles were #4 in rushing attempts. McCoy had 300+ attempts but there is no way either could handle that load. They're going to get a lot of attempts regardless of who is starting or the lead. It's a cluster#### for owners. I read a tweet from Omar Kelly who suggested this was the plan all along.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Miller sucks. Let him go. It doesn't matter if he was a Cane or not. He sucks. Accept it and move on.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
For all this talk of passing on Miller and Moreno being a steal, we do realize Moreno is going about 15 picks after Miller, right? And once the ADPs adjust from this weeks game, their ADPs will probably be roughly the same if not Moreno going higher.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Moreno already going higher in the mocks I'm doing. Today he went in the 7th round.
jurb26
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Surely in that draft he was.
jurb26
Footballguy
The point is that his current adp is meaningless. He went higher in this draft than he will likely go in others but the adp is dated and useless.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Yikes, I went with both of them. Is there any way that one emerges and gets 75% of the touches?
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
I think 75% is high even for feature back levels, but Moreno is the guy here. He isn't good, but you don't need to be good to beat out Miller.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Sure. I was more commenting that taking him at 2.11 is a little crazy, and I'm trying to put that nicely.
Your general point remains though much of ADP data does become stale and every league is made up of individuals who could render it meaningless.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000383106/article/knowshon-moreno-in-play-to-start-for-miami-dolphins
Knowshon Moreno in play to start for Miami Dolphins?46
Knowshon Moreno's lost summer rendered Dolphins running back Lamar Miller as the widely seen shoo-in for Miami's lead backfield spot, but is the landscape shifting?
Dolphins coach Joe Philbin was cryptic on the heels of Saturday night's 25-20 preseason win over theCowboys, a contest that saw Moreno rip through Dallas for 64 yards off 10 carries in his first game action since last season.
"We haven't released anything," Philbin later said of his backfield depth chart, per ESPN.com's James Walker. "We're still evaluating right up until we name our starter. I thought (Moreno) played well."
Around The League's Chris Wesseling was assigned to last night'sDolphins tilt and came away noting that Moreno -- two months removed from arthroscopic knee surgery -- looked just like he did in a Broncos uniform.
Moreno is coming off a career year that saw him rumble for 1,038 yards and 10 touchdowns in Denver's runner-friendly scheme. Miller, meanwhile, is looking to bounce back from a disappointing campaign in 2013.
The arrival of play-caller Bill Lazor suggests production for both backs, but Moreno's hot-and-cold offseason had Miller primed to lead the way. It's telling that one strong showing from Moreno has Miami's coaching staff weighing its options.
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- By Marc Sessler
- Around the League Writer
- Published: Aug. 24, 2014 at 01:45 p.m.
- Updated: Aug. 24, 2014 at 03:30 p.m.
Knowshon Moreno's lost summer rendered Dolphins running back Lamar Miller as the widely seen shoo-in for Miami's lead backfield spot, but is the landscape shifting?
Dolphins coach Joe Philbin was cryptic on the heels of Saturday night's 25-20 preseason win over theCowboys, a contest that saw Moreno rip through Dallas for 64 yards off 10 carries in his first game action since last season.
"We haven't released anything," Philbin later said of his backfield depth chart, per ESPN.com's James Walker. "We're still evaluating right up until we name our starter. I thought (Moreno) played well."
Around The League's Chris Wesseling was assigned to last night'sDolphins tilt and came away noting that Moreno -- two months removed from arthroscopic knee surgery -- looked just like he did in a Broncos uniform.
Moreno is coming off a career year that saw him rumble for 1,038 yards and 10 touchdowns in Denver's runner-friendly scheme. Miller, meanwhile, is looking to bounce back from a disappointing campaign in 2013.
The arrival of play-caller Bill Lazor suggests production for both backs, but Moreno's hot-and-cold offseason had Miller primed to lead the way. It's telling that one strong showing from Moreno has Miami's coaching staff weighing its options.
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Todem
Footballguy
To Dr Octopus who feels like I am flip flopper. I live here in South Florida. I just report a lot of what a few beat writers talk about here everyday on the radio waves which a lot of people don't hear in the Shark Pool.
This was my first post in the thread. I have always felt like this has RBBC written all over it. But then Moreno showed up fat, out of shape and hurt. There was even talk he was not going to make the roster. Then he really turned up his rehab....and Saturday night he made a strong case of "hey I am going to be a big factor" on this team.
Again as a Dolphins fan I would love for both Moreno and Miller to be great and help this team win. I don't see fantasy value though if this ends up being exactly what the Dolphins want. A RB rotation as head coach Joe Philbin called it.
Yes I am a Lamar Miller fan. I still think the kid has elite speed and the ability to make some huge plays for this team. If it does not happen this season...well then he is done. Because that is what he really brings. The threat of scoring from anywhere on the field. Those kinds of players you give a chance. His rookie year he only got 51 carries I believe. Last season he got a shot behind the worst OL in the league. This year is the year of no excuses. I like what I have seen from the OL. Far better than last year's debacle. And then Pouncy will be back by game 7. So things may be pretty good for the Dolphins offense this year.
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As much as I'd love to see Lamar miller bust out and become a stud Rb this year I think the chances of that happening are slim to none. He's really just not that good. He has elite straight line speed. In the games I've watched him play he hasn't yet displayed elite ability to make defenders miss or to break tackles. That's a recipe for a role player. A 10 touch kind of Rb. I hope I'm wrong BC I'm saddled with this turd in my dynasty league. But you have to stay objective.
As far as Moreno goes, I don't understand why everyone craps on him all the time. All he has done in Denver I constantly resurrect his career after tough injuries and new coaching regimes who started out having no faith in him and ended up making him the lead back in their offenses.
When he left Denver, everyone said it was manning who made Moreno and he's JAG.
Well, it was a small sample size in preseason , but Moreno came in and in 10 carries absolutely demolished miller in every category in the most important dress rehearsal game for the regular season. He displayed decent speed, lots of power, balance, and gained tough yards. Most of all, he lit a fire under the teams ###. Something miller has yet to do in a dolphins uniform.
Moreno is like the Rodney danger field of RBS. Always producing when healthy, always getting crapped on.
If he stays healthy this year this will not be the platoon many of you think it will be. He will have a better fantasy season than last year. And I'm happy to eat crow if I'm wrong in this. It's just my gut feeling that I have come to after weighing the evidence which is (in addition to what I have stated above):
Bill lazor comes from chip Kelly's system. They rode McCoy like a Thai hooker least year. Lazor has stated already that he prefers to have a lead back that plays most of the snaps. He was gushing about miller this preseason and I'm sure miller will still have a role. But anyone with eyes that saw Morenos performance the other night saw that he is the superior back. And lazor has no dog in this fight. He wants the best back to execute his system.
As far as Moreno goes, I don't understand why everyone craps on him all the time. All he has done in Denver I constantly resurrect his career after tough injuries and new coaching regimes who started out having no faith in him and ended up making him the lead back in their offenses.
When he left Denver, everyone said it was manning who made Moreno and he's JAG.
Well, it was a small sample size in preseason , but Moreno came in and in 10 carries absolutely demolished miller in every category in the most important dress rehearsal game for the regular season. He displayed decent speed, lots of power, balance, and gained tough yards. Most of all, he lit a fire under the teams ###. Something miller has yet to do in a dolphins uniform.
Moreno is like the Rodney danger field of RBS. Always producing when healthy, always getting crapped on.
If he stays healthy this year this will not be the platoon many of you think it will be. He will have a better fantasy season than last year. And I'm happy to eat crow if I'm wrong in this. It's just my gut feeling that I have come to after weighing the evidence which is (in addition to what I have stated above):
Bill lazor comes from chip Kelly's system. They rode McCoy like a Thai hooker least year. Lazor has stated already that he prefers to have a lead back that plays most of the snaps. He was gushing about miller this preseason and I'm sure miller will still have a role. But anyone with eyes that saw Morenos performance the other night saw that he is the superior back. And lazor has no dog in this fight. He wants the best back to execute his system.
jurb26
Footballguy
Having watched the game, I have no idea how you see this. Moreno looked decent but so did Miller. Moreno has a few gaping holes that Miller simply didn't. His long 19 yd run was the best blocked play of the game. I didn't see anything that would separate either player in the game. It seems they will get different roles in a RBBC.
I watched the game. I watched every carry for both players. I'm not saying miller looked bad. I'm saying Moreno looked far better.
And don't you find it telling that the coaches, who have has miller atop the depth chart and have been calling miller their starter all preseason, are now back pedaling and saying that the starting Rb has yet to be determined ? After 10 carries from moreno? Read the tea leaves bro.
I respect everyone's opinions and not trying to shove mine down your throat. People are aaying that it wi be a rbbc and avoid dolphins RBS at their adp BC of that. I disagree. I think the dolphins backfield will be very productive for fantasy purposes this year and one back will be way more valuable than the other. Give me the guy who gets 60% of the carries and the short yardage/gl stuff. In my opinion that's Moreno.
True, but both Moreno and miller played the same Dallas defense. focus on how they looked relative to each other.
forbidden doughnut
Footballguy
I'm not ready to crown Moreno based on the Dallas game. However, it is worth noting that a couple of the Miami writers were talking about this on twitter before the Dallas game. "@OmarKelly Hands down it isn't debatable. Knowshon Moreno is the Dolphins best running back WHEN HEALTHY. @chrisperk is right. Only a matter of time."
I probably disagree with Kelly more than I agree with him, but if I can get Moreno late...I'll giving it a roll.
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Here's all you really need to know about Lamar miller:
The fins let bush walk in 2013 thinking miller could be his replacement. They fully expected and hoped he would take the bill by the horns, handily outplay Daniel thomas in the preseason and secure the feature Rb role.
He couldn't do it. Let me repeat that: Lamar miller could not impress his coaches enough in the preseason 2013 and beat out DANIEL THOMAS to be given the feature role.
Instead he played himself into an rbbc.
I followed that situation very closely last year. Philbin was disappointed. He wanted miller to step up and take it.
Fast forward to this season. Miller has had a solid but unspectacular training camp and preseason. Didn't rip off any huge runs, didn't show much tackle breaking ability. In comes Moreno and BAM, the whole offense looks better. Tannehill said it himself after the game. He loves having Moreno in the backfield.
Again. Read the tea leaves. Miller is average. Moreno will dominate the touches and the goal line carries and be a steal in the 6th or 7th round of fantasy drafts this year.
The fins let bush walk in 2013 thinking miller could be his replacement. They fully expected and hoped he would take the bill by the horns, handily outplay Daniel thomas in the preseason and secure the feature Rb role.
He couldn't do it. Let me repeat that: Lamar miller could not impress his coaches enough in the preseason 2013 and beat out DANIEL THOMAS to be given the feature role.
Instead he played himself into an rbbc.
I followed that situation very closely last year. Philbin was disappointed. He wanted miller to step up and take it.
Fast forward to this season. Miller has had a solid but unspectacular training camp and preseason. Didn't rip off any huge runs, didn't show much tackle breaking ability. In comes Moreno and BAM, the whole offense looks better. Tannehill said it himself after the game. He loves having Moreno in the backfield.
Again. Read the tea leaves. Miller is average. Moreno will dominate the touches and the goal line carries and be a steal in the 6th or 7th round of fantasy drafts this year.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Why? Because they need someone to catch the ball out of the backfield? They have that with the 1st and 2nd down back who's also a 3rd down back. Miller will spell Moreno on a couple series just to keep Moreno fresh and remind everyone why Miller is not the starter...
NajehHejan
Footballguy
If both guys fall I think the play is to grab both Miller and Moreno and wait and see which one emerges. For two mid round picks you can very well land an rb2. Really see one emerging due to better play and/or injury
Todem
Footballguy
I draft Wednesday in my one and only redraft league.
I am looking hard at Moreno as a mid rounder (6th,7th)....not Miller. And I am a huge Miller supporter. But the vibes coming out of the team have shifted 180 degrees since Saturday night.
I think the biggest key to all of this is can Moreno stay healthy. Something other than last year he could not do with any consistency. He is IMO an injury risk. And his MO says so. I think it is so telling how far the RB position has fallen in the NFL when Knowshon Moreno coming off a huge season production wise in Denver can only land a 3MM one year deal with Miami.
Insane.
I am looking hard at Moreno as a mid rounder (6th,7th)....not Miller. And I am a huge Miller supporter. But the vibes coming out of the team have shifted 180 degrees since Saturday night.
I think the biggest key to all of this is can Moreno stay healthy. Something other than last year he could not do with any consistency. He is IMO an injury risk. And his MO says so. I think it is so telling how far the RB position has fallen in the NFL when Knowshon Moreno coming off a huge season production wise in Denver can only land a 3MM one year deal with Miami.
Insane.
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