2007 NBA DRAFT - ODEN and PORTLAND CRIPPLED (1 Viewer)

[RedRaiders]

NBAdraft.net has Noah going to Chicago, which would be a GREAT pick for the Bulls.

That mock is certainly different. Wouldn't a team like Milwaukee take Conley if at Atlanta passed at 3? I dont know why Atlanta would taken Brandon Wright - they already have two similar players on their team.

 

[Sammy3469]

NBAdraft.net has Noah going to Chicago, which would be a GREAT pick for the Bulls.

Just what they need another non scoring intagible guy. That pick makes no sense to me....they really need a PF that can score some.

Perhaps. I was just thinking that with Deng, Gordon, Hinrich, and Nocioni they have plenty of firepower but only one ball to go around. Someone like Noah who can play good defense, pass well, and not need 15 shots a game to be effective would be solid for them. I realize they aren't really the same style of player, but as a Rockets fan who when the Rockets gave up Rudy Gay for Battier, I was shocked at how much better Battier made the Rockets just by doing 3 or 4 things no one else wanted to do and doing them really well. I think Noah has the ability to do that same type of thing.

They also have Thomas who does pretty much what your advocating Noah would do.

 

[Spiderman]

NBAdraft.net has Noah going to Chicago, which would be a GREAT pick for the Bulls.

Paxson was high on him last year, so that wouldn't surrpise me. I think he's just a high energy player, maybe a good rebounder/shot blocker, but he doesn't address the inside scoring need for Chicago unless they feel that Luol Deng and Tyrus Thomas will do so internally.

 

[Spiderman]

NBAdraft.net has Noah going to Chicago, which would be a GREAT pick for the Bulls.

Just what they need another non scoring intagible guy. That pick makes no sense to me....they really need a PF that can score some.

Perhaps. I was just thinking that with Deng, Gordon, Hinrich, and Nocioni they have plenty of firepower but only one ball to go around. Someone like Noah who can play good defense, pass well, and not need 15 shots a game to be effective would be solid for them. I realize they aren't really the same style of player, but as a Rockets fan who when the Rockets gave up Rudy Gay for Battier, I was shocked at how much better Battier made the Rockets just by doing 3 or 4 things no one else wanted to do and doing them really well. I think Noah has the ability to do that same type of thing.

Isn't that what Ben Wallace should be doing ?

 

[Spiderman]

NBAdraft.net has Noah going to Chicago, which would be a GREAT pick for the Bulls.

That mock is certainly different. Wouldn't a team like Milwaukee take Conley if at Atlanta passed at 3? I dont know why Atlanta would taken Brandon Wright - they already have two similar players on their team.

Mo Williams did do a really good job for Milwaukee at the point, but I guess if the Bucks were convinced that Conley is the best player on the board, I could see that.

 

[Colin Dowling]

NBAdraft.net has Noah going to Chicago, which would be a GREAT pick for the Bulls.

Just what they need another non scoring intagible guy. That pick makes no sense to me....they really need a PF that can score some.

Perhaps. I was just thinking that with Deng, Gordon, Hinrich, and Nocioni they have plenty of firepower but only one ball to go around. Someone like Noah who can play good defense, pass well, and not need 15 shots a game to be effective would be solid for them. I realize they aren't really the same style of player, but as a Rockets fan who when the Rockets gave up Rudy Gay for Battier, I was shocked at how much better Battier made the Rockets just by doing 3 or 4 things no one else wanted to do and doing them really well. I think Noah has the ability to do that same type of thing.

They also have Thomas who does pretty much what your advocating Noah would do.

Good point. Forgot about him.

 

[Colin Dowling]

NBAdraft.net has Noah going to Chicago, which would be a GREAT pick for the Bulls.

That mock is certainly different. Wouldn't a team like Milwaukee take Conley if at Atlanta passed at 3? I dont know why Atlanta would taken Brandon Wright - they already have two similar players on their team.

Mo Williams did do a really good job for Milwaukee at the point, but I guess if the Bucks were convinced that Conley is the best player on the board, I could see that.

I think the Bucks would jump at Corey Brewer if he were there. Williams, Redd, Brewer, Villanueve, Bogut would be a decent lineup.

 

[Spiderman]

NBAdraft.net has Noah going to Chicago, which would be a GREAT pick for the Bulls.

That mock is certainly different. Wouldn't a team like Milwaukee take Conley if at Atlanta passed at 3? I dont know why Atlanta would taken Brandon Wright - they already have two similar players on their team.

Mo Williams did do a really good job for Milwaukee at the point, but I guess if the Bucks were convinced that Conley is the best player on the board, I could see that.

I think the Bucks would jump at Corey Brewer if he were there. Williams, Redd, Brewer, Villanueve, Bogut would be a decent lineup.

What is Brewer's NBA position ? SF ? If so, I think the pick does make a lot of sense. I do think Horford would be even better because I do think Charlie V. is a bit of a question at a power spot, but no arguement here about Brewer.

 

[Wu-banger]

NBAdraft.net has Noah going to Chicago, which would be a GREAT pick for the Bulls.

That mock is certainly different. Wouldn't a team like Milwaukee take Conley if at Atlanta passed at 3? I dont know why Atlanta would taken Brandon Wright - they already have two similar players on their team.

Ive been following NBAdraft.net for some time , thier predictions over the years have been . in a bad way.They normally tighten up the picks prediction a day before the draft , but before then they are way off.The do have a nice layout and decent info about the prospects though.

 

[Colin Dowling]

NBAdraft.net has Noah going to Chicago, which would be a GREAT pick for the Bulls.

That mock is certainly different. Wouldn't a team like Milwaukee take Conley if at Atlanta passed at 3? I dont know why Atlanta would taken Brandon Wright - they already have two similar players on their team.

Mo Williams did do a really good job for Milwaukee at the point, but I guess if the Bucks were convinced that Conley is the best player on the board, I could see that.

I think the Bucks would jump at Corey Brewer if he were there. Williams, Redd, Brewer, Villanueve, Bogut would be a decent lineup.

What is Brewer's NBA position ? SF ? If so, I think the pick does make a lot of sense. I do think Horford would be even better because I do think Charlie V. is a bit of a question at a power spot, but no arguement here about Brewer.

"Slashing scorer energy guy" would be his role. Technically the 3, I suppose.You don't like Villanueve at the 4? I think he's a very good player, getting better.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Hibbert is reportedly staying at Georgetown after all...The rumor is Jeff Green may stay also, as neither has hired an agent, depsite declaring for the draft:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2879914

 

[koby925]

Love that the two best players are ending up in the West. Stern had to be when the list was made.

So, are we thinking...

1. Port - Oden

2. Sea - Durant

3. Atl - Conley

4. Memphis - Horford / Jianlian

5. Celtics - Hibbert / Horford

6. Bucks - Brewer

West Coast Bias

 

[Colin Dowling]

Hibbert is reportedly staying at Georgetown after all...The rumor is Jeff Green may stay also, as neither has hired an agent, depsite declaring for the draft:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2879914

They're probably sitting there saying, "man, we really wanted to go to Portland and Seattle. But Milwaukee or Boston? NO WAY."

 

[Spiderman]

NBAdraft.net has Noah going to Chicago, which would be a GREAT pick for the Bulls.

That mock is certainly different. Wouldn't a team like Milwaukee take Conley if at Atlanta passed at 3? I dont know why Atlanta would taken Brandon Wright - they already have two similar players on their team.

Mo Williams did do a really good job for Milwaukee at the point, but I guess if the Bucks were convinced that Conley is the best player on the board, I could see that.

I think the Bucks would jump at Corey Brewer if he were there. Williams, Redd, Brewer, Villanueve, Bogut would be a decent lineup.

What is Brewer's NBA position ? SF ? If so, I think the pick does make a lot of sense. I do think Horford would be even better because I do think Charlie V. is a bit of a question at a power spot, but no arguement here about Brewer.

"Slashing scorer energy guy" would be his role. Technically the 3, I suppose.You don't like Villanueve at the 4? I think he's a very good player, getting better.

It's not that I don't like Villeaneuva, it's more that I'm unsure about him after this past season. He could very well be the power forward for Milwaukee, I just need to see more of him.

 

[Spiderman]

Hibbert is reportedly staying at Georgetown after all...The rumor is Jeff Green may stay also, as neither has hired an agent, depsite declaring for the draft:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2879914

They're probably sitting there saying, "man, we really wanted to go to Portland and Seattle. But Milwaukee or Boston? NO WAY."

How deflating for Boston....They went from banking on Oden or Durant to setting for Hibbard. Oh wait! He isn't coming out now!

 

[saintfool]

Hibbert is reportedly staying at Georgetown after all...The rumor is Jeff Green may stay also, as neither has hired an agent, depsite declaring for the draft:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2879914

Good for them. Hibbert has improved by leaps and bounds this past year but he's still a year away. Green could use a season too.

 

[Statorama]

So Portland won the Glen "Big Baby" Davis sweepstakes. Good for them. It'll be interesting to see who Seattle picks at #2, Oden or Durant.

Edit to add:

 

[saintfool]

Hibbert is reportedly staying at Georgetown after all...The rumor is Jeff Green may stay also, as neither has hired an agent, depsite declaring for the draft:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2879914

They're probably sitting there saying, "man, we really wanted to go to Portland and Seattle. But Milwaukee or Boston? NO WAY."

How deflating for Boston....They went from banking on Oden or Durant to setting for Hibbard. Oh wait! He isn't coming out now!

Wright would be a great pick for either team. He will be terrific in a full court style of play. The kid can finish!

 

[RedRaiders]

Hibbert is reportedly staying at Georgetown after all...The rumor is Jeff Green may stay also, as neither has hired an agent, depsite declaring for the draft:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2879914

Good for them. Hibbert has improved by leaps and bounds this past year but he's still a year away. Green could use a season too.

I'm not surprised to hear Hibbert staying but I thought Green was ready. We'll see if he changes his mind.

 

[saintfool]

Hibbert is reportedly staying at Georgetown after all...The rumor is Jeff Green may stay also, as neither has hired an agent, depsite declaring for the draft:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2879914

Good for them. Hibbert has improved by leaps and bounds this past year but he's still a year away. Green could use a season too.

I'm not surprised to hear Hibbert staying but I thought Green was ready. We'll see if he changes his mind.

He has skills but his play during the end of the NCAA tourney was really disappointing. He disappeared, as I recall. He would have benefitted by staying so that he could be a dominant player. Hibbert leaving would have accomplished that. Now, maybe they think that a year like Oden/Conley they can be top 5 picks next year?

 

[Capella]

NBAdraft.net has Noah going to Chicago, which would be a GREAT pick for the Bulls.

Just what they need another non scoring intagible guy. That pick makes no sense to me....they really need a PF that can score some.

exactly. that perimeter only game is only going to take them so far. they need a physical scorer, somebody who can control the paint.luckily, they only have another 3 years and 45 million to pay ben wallace.

 

[Spiderman]

Hibbert is reportedly staying at Georgetown after all...The rumor is Jeff Green may stay also, as neither has hired an agent, depsite declaring for the draft:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2879914

Good for them. Hibbert has improved by leaps and bounds this past year but he's still a year away. Green could use a season too.

I'm not surprised to hear Hibbert staying but I thought Green was ready. We'll see if he changes his mind.

He has skills but his play during the end of the NCAA tourney was really disappointing. He disappeared, as I recall. He would have benefitted by staying so that he could be a dominant player. Hibbert leaving would have accomplished that. Now, maybe they think that a year like Oden/Conley they can be top 5 picks next year?

Stupid move. If I was a guaranteed lottery pick in the NBA draft, I'm going Pro. Its like being a 1st or 2nd round pick in the NFL. Why risk the injury? Especially in basketball, where most teams don't expect you to be developed, but to develop after you are in the league...

 

[Statorama]

NBAdraft.net has Noah going to Chicago, which would be a GREAT pick for the Bulls.

Paxson was high on him last year, so that wouldn't surrpise me. I think he's just a high energy player, maybe a good rebounder/shot blocker, but he doesn't address the inside scoring need for Chicago unless they feel that Luol Deng and Tyrus Thomas will do so internally.

Noah has Stacy King written all over him. I think he'd be a disaster.

 

[Wu-banger]

NBAdraft.net has Noah going to Chicago, which would be a GREAT pick for the Bulls.

Paxson was high on him last year, so that wouldn't surrpise me. I think he's just a high energy player, maybe a good rebounder/shot blocker, but he doesn't address the inside scoring need for Chicago unless they feel that Luol Deng and Tyrus Thomas will do so internally.

Noah has Stacy King written all over him. I think he'd be a disaster.

Not sure how we would dominate in the paint, he has no scoring ability. Bulls already have players like him in Thomas and Wallace, but I think both of them are better than Noah. Wallace has been good at what he does for years and Thomas has more potential to be great than Noah. You would stunt Tyrus' development adding a similar player like Joakim.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Basketball phenoms Greg Oden or Kevin Durant would have been a huge boost to the Memphis Grizzlies or Boston Celtics, both of which had the best percentage chances to land the No.1 pick in Tuesday’s NBA Draft Lottery.

But how quickly would either player greatly affect the Portland TrailBlazers, who actually did win the lottery?

The Blazers find themselves in a unique position. They have what every other NBA club wants – the No.1 pick and the opportunity to select the face of a franchise.

But Portland, who is coming off a 32-50 season, has oogles and oogles of young talent. It’s deep and versatile, athletic and sturdy.

Three rookies played significant minutes last year – LaMarcus Aldridge, Sergio Rodriguez and 2007 Rookie of the Year Brandon Roy – and the team was still able to compete night in and night out, allowing energy and raw talent to make up for lack of experience.

What the Blazers need is not Oden’s defense and knack for rebounding, nor Durant’s long-range bombs and killer first step.

What they need is experience. Veteran leadership. A few players who can mentor the youth, help hone skills and bring the Blazers to the next level – the playoffs.

They have the youth. The pieces are in place.

Most NBA teams who win the lottery are of the 25-wins-or-fewer variety, where a jump to 32-33 wins the next season is considered a nice improvement.

But Portland can afford to look further ahead. Now, 43 or more wins in 2007-08 is not out of the question.

Oden would give Portland what it already has in Zach Randolph and Aldridge. Randolph is a 20/10 talent (he averaged 23.6 points and 10.1 rebounds last season), and Aldridge is an athletic power forward who can score and block shots (five boards and 1.16 blocks per game in 22 minutes per).

Durant would offer a healthy dose of perimeter firepower, shooting from deep, nailing fallaway jumpers, or using his length and height to post smaller wings.

The only thing is the Blazers already have such offense from their perimeter. Roy will become one of the better all-around talents in the game, able to penetrate and knock down jumpers at will, and 2005 first-round pick Martell Webster is a dead-eye scorer who has yet to approach his 21st birthday.

In short, Oden or Durant would not fill Blazers needs. They’re strictly wants. And, despite what many might feel or think, the draft is a chance to fulfill needs; to fill pieces that are missing. Not to get a player whose skills would not be a considerable upgrade from what you already have.

So what should Portland do? Easy. Talk deal.

Memphis and Boston would love the pick. Neither team won more than 24 games, and both are desperate to find a franchise player who can lift their respective clubs back to relevance.

And they both have assets Portland could use.

The Grizzlies could dangle Pau Gasol and their No. 4 pick, who is a smooth, agile frontcourt player who can shoot or score with his back to the basket.

The versatile, 7’0” Gasol would bring relief for Randolph, who would get more open looks. Gasol, 27, is also a great passer, which would help for slashers like Jarrett Jack and Roy.

The Celtics would likely be willing to offer Paul Pierce and their No. 5. Pierce would give the Blazers a wing player who can shoot and drive with aggression, earning countless trips to the free-throw line.

It would work out well either way for Portland. But Oden and Durant won’t immediately help until three years from now. Pierce and Gasol would make the Blazers competitive now.

A starting lineup of Randolph (center), Gasol (forward), Webster (forward), Roy (guard) and Jack (guard) could pose problems in the West, particularly when you consider a bench of Aldridge, Darius Miles, Fred Jones and Rodriguez.

Already, they’d be better than the Lakers and Nuggets, not including what free-agent additions the team would make.

It surely would be an unpopular choice. Everybody is intrigued by potential and the thought of what could be.

But, for Portland’s sake, it might be wiser to think of what should be.

Wasn't I getting bashed for suggesting this earlier?

You deserve to get bashed if you suggest that Oden = Randolph/Aldridge or that Gasol provides "veteran leadership". Was this article written by a Grizzlies beat writer? I'd be interested in seeing similar articles from other homer journalists ("Blazers should trade for a veteran leader such as Stephon Marbury," etc.)

 

[Capella]

Basketball phenoms Greg Oden or Kevin Durant would have been a huge boost to the Memphis Grizzlies or Boston Celtics, both of which had the best percentage chances to land the No.1 pick in Tuesday’s NBA Draft Lottery.

But how quickly would either player greatly affect the Portland TrailBlazers, who actually did win the lottery?

The Blazers find themselves in a unique position. They have what every other NBA club wants – the No.1 pick and the opportunity to select the face of a franchise.

But Portland, who is coming off a 32-50 season, has oogles and oogles of young talent. It’s deep and versatile, athletic and sturdy.

Three rookies played significant minutes last year – LaMarcus Aldridge, Sergio Rodriguez and 2007 Rookie of the Year Brandon Roy – and the team was still able to compete night in and night out, allowing energy and raw talent to make up for lack of experience.

What the Blazers need is not Oden’s defense and knack for rebounding, nor Durant’s long-range bombs and killer first step.

What they need is experience. Veteran leadership. A few players who can mentor the youth, help hone skills and bring the Blazers to the next level – the playoffs.

They have the youth. The pieces are in place.

Most NBA teams who win the lottery are of the 25-wins-or-fewer variety, where a jump to 32-33 wins the next season is considered a nice improvement.

But Portland can afford to look further ahead. Now, 43 or more wins in 2007-08 is not out of the question.

Oden would give Portland what it already has in Zach Randolph and Aldridge. Randolph is a 20/10 talent (he averaged 23.6 points and 10.1 rebounds last season), and Aldridge is an athletic power forward who can score and block shots (five boards and 1.16 blocks per game in 22 minutes per).

Durant would offer a healthy dose of perimeter firepower, shooting from deep, nailing fallaway jumpers, or using his length and height to post smaller wings.

The only thing is the Blazers already have such offense from their perimeter. Roy will become one of the better all-around talents in the game, able to penetrate and knock down jumpers at will, and 2005 first-round pick Martell Webster is a dead-eye scorer who has yet to approach his 21st birthday.

In short, Oden or Durant would not fill Blazers needs. They’re strictly wants. And, despite what many might feel or think, the draft is a chance to fulfill needs; to fill pieces that are missing. Not to get a player whose skills would not be a considerable upgrade from what you already have.

So what should Portland do? Easy. Talk deal.

Memphis and Boston would love the pick. Neither team won more than 24 games, and both are desperate to find a franchise player who can lift their respective clubs back to relevance.

And they both have assets Portland could use.

The Grizzlies could dangle Pau Gasol and their No. 4 pick, who is a smooth, agile frontcourt player who can shoot or score with his back to the basket.

The versatile, 7’0” Gasol would bring relief for Randolph, who would get more open looks. Gasol, 27, is also a great passer, which would help for slashers like Jarrett Jack and Roy.

The Celtics would likely be willing to offer Paul Pierce and their No. 5. Pierce would give the Blazers a wing player who can shoot and drive with aggression, earning countless trips to the free-throw line.

It would work out well either way for Portland. But Oden and Durant won’t immediately help until three years from now. Pierce and Gasol would make the Blazers competitive now.

A starting lineup of Randolph (center), Gasol (forward), Webster (forward), Roy (guard) and Jack (guard) could pose problems in the West, particularly when you consider a bench of Aldridge, Darius Miles, Fred Jones and Rodriguez.

Already, they’d be better than the Lakers and Nuggets, not including what free-agent additions the team would make.

It surely would be an unpopular choice. Everybody is intrigued by potential and the thought of what could be.

But, for Portland’s sake, it might be wiser to think of what should be.

Wasn't I getting bashed for suggesting this earlier?

yes, and that guy should get bashed as well.I love how you quote sportswriters as if they're some sort of bastion of intelligence here. they're not.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

If anyone takes Corey Brewer before #7 (Minnesota) there will be much

 

[Statorama]

Basketball phenoms Greg Oden or Kevin Durant would have been a huge boost to the Memphis Grizzlies or Boston Celtics, both of which had the best percentage chances to land the No.1 pick in Tuesday’s NBA Draft Lottery.

But how quickly would either player greatly affect the Portland TrailBlazers, who actually did win the lottery?

The Blazers find themselves in a unique position. They have what every other NBA club wants – the No.1 pick and the opportunity to select the face of a franchise.

But Portland, who is coming off a 32-50 season, has oogles and oogles of young talent. It’s deep and versatile, athletic and sturdy.

Three rookies played significant minutes last year – LaMarcus Aldridge, Sergio Rodriguez and 2007 Rookie of the Year Brandon Roy – and the team was still able to compete night in and night out, allowing energy and raw talent to make up for lack of experience.

What the Blazers need is not Oden’s defense and knack for rebounding, nor Durant’s long-range bombs and killer first step.

What they need is experience. Veteran leadership. A few players who can mentor the youth, help hone skills and bring the Blazers to the next level – the playoffs.

They have the youth. The pieces are in place.

Most NBA teams who win the lottery are of the 25-wins-or-fewer variety, where a jump to 32-33 wins the next season is considered a nice improvement.

But Portland can afford to look further ahead. Now, 43 or more wins in 2007-08 is not out of the question.

Oden would give Portland what it already has in Zach Randolph and Aldridge. Randolph is a 20/10 talent (he averaged 23.6 points and 10.1 rebounds last season), and Aldridge is an athletic power forward who can score and block shots (five boards and 1.16 blocks per game in 22 minutes per).

Durant would offer a healthy dose of perimeter firepower, shooting from deep, nailing fallaway jumpers, or using his length and height to post smaller wings.

The only thing is the Blazers already have such offense from their perimeter. Roy will become one of the better all-around talents in the game, able to penetrate and knock down jumpers at will, and 2005 first-round pick Martell Webster is a dead-eye scorer who has yet to approach his 21st birthday.

In short, Oden or Durant would not fill Blazers needs. They’re strictly wants. And, despite what many might feel or think, the draft is a chance to fulfill needs; to fill pieces that are missing. Not to get a player whose skills would not be a considerable upgrade from what you already have.

So what should Portland do? Easy. Talk deal.

Memphis and Boston would love the pick. Neither team won more than 24 games, and both are desperate to find a franchise player who can lift their respective clubs back to relevance.

And they both have assets Portland could use.

The Grizzlies could dangle Pau Gasol and their No. 4 pick, who is a smooth, agile frontcourt player who can shoot or score with his back to the basket.

The versatile, 7’0” Gasol would bring relief for Randolph, who would get more open looks. Gasol, 27, is also a great passer, which would help for slashers like Jarrett Jack and Roy.

The Celtics would likely be willing to offer Paul Pierce and their No. 5. Pierce would give the Blazers a wing player who can shoot and drive with aggression, earning countless trips to the free-throw line.

It would work out well either way for Portland. But Oden and Durant won’t immediately help until three years from now. Pierce and Gasol would make the Blazers competitive now.

A starting lineup of Randolph (center), Gasol (forward), Webster (forward), Roy (guard) and Jack (guard) could pose problems in the West, particularly when you consider a bench of Aldridge, Darius Miles, Fred Jones and Rodriguez.

Already, they’d be better than the Lakers and Nuggets, not including what free-agent additions the team would make.

It surely would be an unpopular choice. Everybody is intrigued by potential and the thought of what could be.

But, for Portland’s sake, it might be wiser to think of what should be.

Wasn't I getting bashed for suggesting this earlier?

You deserve to get bashed if you suggest that Oden = Randolph/Aldridge or that Gasol provides "veteran leadership". Was this article written by a Grizzlies beat writer? I'd be interested in seeing similar articles from other homer journalists ("Blazers should trade for a veteran leader such as Stephon Marbury," etc.)

Aw, come on man. Look at how much Gasol has helped the Grizzlies. Seriously.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Shaq hasn't won a thing without Kobe and Wade....i really really dislike how you just look at things from one perspective when you argue, man. Its frustrating.

the point is that every non-Jordan championship team in recent history had a dominant interior player.Kobe and Wade both won rings...but what was the common demoninator? they both played with the most dominant Center in the league.

I'm not looking at things from one perspective. If you try and look at the main reason teams win championships, it almost always comes down to interior play. Phoenix isn't going to win a title with Nash and Marion but the presence of Stoudemire gives them a shot. San Antonio doesn't win any of their 3 rings without Duncan. Do you think they win a title with Garnett instead of Duncan and the same surrounding talent?

Yes

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

A starting lineup of Randolph (center), Gasol (forward), Webster (forward), Roy (guard) and Jack (guard) could pose problems in the West, particularly when you consider a bench of Aldridge, Darius Miles, Fred Jones and Rodriguez.

Wasn't I getting bashed for suggesting this earlier?

yes, and that guy should get bashed as well.I love how you quote sportswriters as if they're some sort of bastion of intelligence here. they're not.

look at what this guy suggests doing with the lineup too. They already have 2 power forwards, so why not trade Oden for a 3rd one? And he has Randolph starting at Center? come on, Assani.

 

[Statorama]

F'N if those stupid Portland people pass on Oden.... Oden-Wilcox-Lewis-Allan-Watson = Title Contender.Finally a glimmer of hope for us Seattle sports fans since the huskies shared National Title ('Hawks and 116 wins notwithstanding).

true, but if they let Lewis go then they will have a ton of cap room. They could very easily make a play for Billups.PG BillupsSG AllenSF DurantPF WilcoxC CollisonThats not bad at all.

Billups is a FA this year? Half the league could use a guy like that.Didn't the Celtics draft him originally?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Do you think they win a title with Garnett instead of Duncan and the same surrounding talent?

Yes

Garnett with Robinson/Elliotor

Garnett with Ginobli/Parker

or

both?

 

[Snotbubbles]

Stupid move. If I was a guaranteed lottery pick in the NBA draft, I'm going Pro. Its like being a 1st or 2nd round pick in the NFL. Why risk the injury? Especially in basketball, where most teams don't expect you to be developed, but to develop after you are in the league...

It may have something to do with the rookie salary scale:First Pick: In the best-case scenario, you’ll get paid about $25.5 million over five seasons, with the last three being options exercised by the team that picked you, then you can become a free agent. In the worst-case scenario, you’ll make about $8 million in guaranteed money over two seasons.Fifth Pick: In the best-case scenario, you’ll get paid about $16.9 million over five seasons, then become a free agent. In the worst-case scenario, you’ll make about $5.3 million in guaranteed money over two seasons.10th Pick: In the best-case scenario, you’ll get paid about $11.3 million over five seasons, then become a free agent. In the worst-case scenario, you’ll make about $3.5 million in guaranteed money over two seasons.So if Hibbert stays in this draft he looking at being drafted in the 5-10 range. If he goes back to school and develops he has a chance at being drafted 1st. That's an increase of 3-5 million guarenteed, or 10-15 million over the life of his first contract. I wouldn't says it's stupid.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Didn't the Celtics draft him originally?

they took him #3 overall after they missed out on Duncan and then traded him to Toronto for Kenny Anderson. Then he went to Denver, Orlando, and Minnesota before signing with Detroit.

 

[Statorama]

Stupid move. If I was a guaranteed lottery pick in the NBA draft, I'm going Pro. Its like being a 1st or 2nd round pick in the NFL. Why risk the injury? Especially in basketball, where most teams don't expect you to be developed, but to develop after you are in the league...

It may have something to do with the rookie salary scale:First Pick: In the best-case scenario, you’ll get paid about $25.5 million over five seasons, with the last three being options exercised by the team that picked you, then you can become a free agent. In the worst-case scenario, you’ll make about $8 million in guaranteed money over two seasons.Fifth Pick: In the best-case scenario, you’ll get paid about $16.9 million over five seasons, then become a free agent. In the worst-case scenario, you’ll make about $5.3 million in guaranteed money over two seasons.10th Pick: In the best-case scenario, you’ll get paid about $11.3 million over five seasons, then become a free agent. In the worst-case scenario, you’ll make about $3.5 million in guaranteed money over two seasons.So if Hibbert stays in this draft he looking at being drafted in the 5-10 range. If he goes back to school and develops he has a chance at being drafted 1st. That's an increase of 3-5 million guarenteed, or 10-15 million over the life of his first contract. I wouldn't says it's stupid.

With another year of development, he'd be a logical favorite for #1 overall next year.I think he just took a look and realized he might end up in Atlanta or Milwaukee and said Hell No, I'll roll the dice next year.

 

[Statorama]

Didn't the Celtics draft him originally?

they took him #3 overall after they missed out on Duncan and then traded him to Toronto for Kenny Anderson. Then he went to Denver, Orlando, and Minnesota before signing with Detroit.

Thanks.Hearing Kenny Anderson's name brings me back to the days of "Lethal Weapon 3."

 

[RedRaiders]

Stupid move. If I was a guaranteed lottery pick in the NBA draft, I'm going Pro. Its like being a 1st or 2nd round pick in the NFL. Why risk the injury? Especially in basketball, where most teams don't expect you to be developed, but to develop after you are in the league...

It may have something to do with the rookie salary scale:First Pick: In the best-case scenario, you’ll get paid about $25.5 million over five seasons, with the last three being options exercised by the team that picked you, then you can become a free agent. In the worst-case scenario, you’ll make about $8 million in guaranteed money over two seasons.Fifth Pick: In the best-case scenario, you’ll get paid about $16.9 million over five seasons, then become a free agent. In the worst-case scenario, you’ll make about $5.3 million in guaranteed money over two seasons.10th Pick: In the best-case scenario, you’ll get paid about $11.3 million over five seasons, then become a free agent. In the worst-case scenario, you’ll make about $3.5 million in guaranteed money over two seasons.So if Hibbert stays in this draft he looking at being drafted in the 5-10 range. If he goes back to school and develops he has a chance at being drafted 1st. That's an increase of 3-5 million guarenteed, or 10-15 million over the life of his first contract. I wouldn't says it's stupid.

As corny as it sounds, he's also very dedicated to the school and finishing off his degree. Not that he couldn't go back later, but he has said this on more then one occasion on the past.

 

[Statorama]

Stupid move. If I was a guaranteed lottery pick in the NBA draft, I'm going Pro. Its like being a 1st or 2nd round pick in the NFL. Why risk the injury? Especially in basketball, where most teams don't expect you to be developed, but to develop after you are in the league...

It may have something to do with the rookie salary scale:First Pick: In the best-case scenario, you’ll get paid about $25.5 million over five seasons, with the last three being options exercised by the team that picked you, then you can become a free agent. In the worst-case scenario, you’ll make about $8 million in guaranteed money over two seasons.Fifth Pick: In the best-case scenario, you’ll get paid about $16.9 million over five seasons, then become a free agent. In the worst-case scenario, you’ll make about $5.3 million in guaranteed money over two seasons.10th Pick: In the best-case scenario, you’ll get paid about $11.3 million over five seasons, then become a free agent. In the worst-case scenario, you’ll make about $3.5 million in guaranteed money over two seasons.So if Hibbert stays in this draft he looking at being drafted in the 5-10 range. If he goes back to school and develops he has a chance at being drafted 1st. That's an increase of 3-5 million guarenteed, or 10-15 million over the life of his first contract. I wouldn't says it's stupid.

As corny as it sounds, he's also very dedicated to the school and finishing off his degree. Not that he couldn't go back later, but he has said this on more then one occasion on the past.

He can get back to what's important. Winning me cash at G-Town.

 

[NOONAN]

Aldridge is a PF, he's not really a back to the basket kid anyways. Man, Portland is going to be good.

Trading out because Aldridge can play center makes me Guy barely played his rookie year.

Agreed. It's not supposed to be career threatening, but Aldridge also was diagnosed with a heart condition and had to miss the last few weeks. With the question marks on him and Randolph, and a good wing player in Roy, you can't pass on Oden.

Ultimately with the #1 overall pick you don't draft for need. So if they truly think Oden is a better prospect then I'd agree with you guys that they take Oden.But anyone arguing that the Trailblazers have a bigger need at center is completely insane! Their best two players according to RR last year were big men and they just spent a #2 overall pick on a big man. Meanwhile their small forward is Ime Udoka. Quick, without looking it up, can anyone tell me anything about Ime Udoka?

IMO, Durant's talent/skills are much more redundant with Randolph/Alridge than Oden's are.

Interesting point, but I disagree. You cannot play Aldridge/Oden/Randolph on the floor at the same time. None of them could guard a good SF. Can you imagine any of them guarding Tracy McGrady? You could play Durant with those two though.

You get rid of Randolph, for peanuts. And before his piss-poor attitude can infect Oden.

This is the correct answer here. And Darius Miles while you are at it. Even if you get other high priced players and draft picks. Oden and Aldridge at the 4-5 will be unmatched in the NBA. Roy as an All-star SG gives the Blazers the three studs you need. Udoka is a good defender/rebounder and can hit the 3 from the corner(pretty rare-kind of a Bowen clone). Rodriguez at point makes this an outstanding starting lineup. Jarrett Jack as a backup guard, Martell Webster(would have been in this draft class-came directly from HS) is a tremendous shooter and was just coming into his own at the end of the year give them some pop off the bench. Joel Pryzbilla can play some good defense and rebound-good enough for your backup center. That gives you 8 men deep. A couple of draft picks/trades to fill in additional depth and you are talking contender in 2 years-kinda like the Bulls.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Do you think they win a title with Garnett instead of Duncan and the same surrounding talent?

Yes

Garnett with Robinson/Elliotor

Garnett with Ginobli/Parker

or

both?

I think both. Garnett has never had a surrounding cast like that so its hard to compare. The closest was Garnett with an aging Sprewell and Sam Cassell.

 

[saintfool]

Not sure how we would dominate in the paint, he has no scoring ability. Bulls already have players like him in Thomas and Wallace, but I think both of them are better than Noah. Wallace has been good at what he does for years and Thomas has more potential to be great than Noah. You would stunt Tyrus' development adding a similar player like Joakim.

I think Noah's upside is Camby or Al Jefferson. Downside is Charles Smith...

 

[ianfitzy]

Not sure how we would dominate in the paint, he has no scoring ability. Bulls already have players like him in Thomas and Wallace, but I think both of them are better than Noah. Wallace has been good at what he does for years and Thomas has more potential to be great than Noah. You would stunt Tyrus' development adding a similar player like Joakim.

I think Noah's upside is Camby or Al Jefferson. Downside is Charles Smith...

He doesn't compare to Jefferson at all... Jefferson is a much bigger body and has a much better offensive skillset. I agree with the Camby comment but Jefferson is a different player than both. I would say Noah's upside is Camby or Tyson Chandler.

 

[saintfool]

Not sure how we would dominate in the paint, he has no scoring ability. Bulls already have players like him in Thomas and Wallace, but I think both of them are better than Noah. Wallace has been good at what he does for years and Thomas has more potential to be great than Noah. You would stunt Tyrus' development adding a similar player like Joakim.

I think Noah's upside is Camby or Al Jefferson. Downside is Charles Smith...

He doesn't compare to Jefferson at all... Jefferson is a much bigger body and has a much better offensive skillset. I agree with the Camby comment but Jefferson is a different player than both. I would say Noah's upside is Camby or Tyson Chandler.

I mention those two deliberately. If he becomes a solid defensive player with pedestrian offensive skills then he's a Camby guy. If he bulks up just a little and polishes his offensive game then he could AlJeff. Most players set their game as pros within the first 3 years. No one thinks he's got Bosh or Howard skills or potential. If he has no offensive game in the pros then Chandler might be as good as he gets. Downside would still be Charles "I blocked myself" Smith...

 

[_4_]

NBAdraft.net has Noah going to Chicago, which would be a GREAT pick for the Bulls.

Paxson was high on him last year, so that wouldn't surrpise me. I think he's just a high energy player, maybe a good rebounder/shot blocker, but he doesn't address the inside scoring need for Chicago unless they feel that Luol Deng and Tyrus Thomas will do so internally.

Noah has Stacy King written all over him. I think he'd be a disaster.

Noah will have a 7-10 year NBA career as a sideshow ala Scott Pollard (THIS ONE not THIS ONE). He will be a curiosity because of his hair, but you can't teach his size, so he'll stick, but quick, strong NBA players will eat him alive.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

NBAdraft.net has Noah going to Chicago, which would be a GREAT pick for the Bulls.

Paxson was high on him last year, so that wouldn't surrpise me. I think he's just a high energy player, maybe a good rebounder/shot blocker, but he doesn't address the inside scoring need for Chicago unless they feel that Luol Deng and Tyrus Thomas will do so internally.

Noah has Stacy King written all over him. I think he'd be a disaster.

Noah will have a 7-10 year NBA career as a sideshow ala Scott Pollard (THIS ONE not THIS ONE). He will be a curiosity because of his hair, but you can't teach his size, so he'll stick, but quick, strong NBA players will eat him alive.

I agree with this. And because of this, I'm certain my T-Wolves will draft him. Then I'll go ahead and take my life...

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

A starting lineup of Randolph (center), Gasol (forward), Webster (forward), Roy (guard) and Jack (guard) could pose problems in the West, particularly when you consider a bench of Aldridge, Darius Miles, Fred Jones and Rodriguez.

Wasn't I getting bashed for suggesting this earlier?

yes, and that guy should get bashed as well.I love how you quote sportswriters as if they're some sort of bastion of intelligence here. they're not.

look at what this guy suggests doing with the lineup too. They already have 2 power forwards, so why not trade Oden for a 3rd one? And he has Randolph starting at Center? come on, Assani.

I was thinking the same thing. If anything, the Blazers will trade Randolph

 

[Britney Spears]

I can't stop watching Kevin Durant highlights.

 

[RedRaiders]

A starting lineup of Randolph (center), Gasol (forward), Webster (forward), Roy (guard) and Jack (guard) could pose problems in the West, particularly when you consider a bench of Aldridge, Darius Miles, Fred Jones and Rodriguez.

Wasn't I getting bashed for suggesting this earlier?

yes, and that guy should get bashed as well.I love how you quote sportswriters as if they're some sort of bastion of intelligence here. they're not.

look at what this guy suggests doing with the lineup too. They already have 2 power forwards, so why not trade Oden for a 3rd one? And he has Randolph starting at Center? come on, Assani.

I was thinking the same thing. If anything, the Blazers will trade Randolph

Plus, the guy left out who they would take at #4.

 

[saintfool]

A starting lineup of Randolph (center), Gasol (forward), Webster (forward), Roy (guard) and Jack (guard) could pose problems in the West, particularly when you consider a bench of Aldridge, Darius Miles, Fred Jones and Rodriguez.

Wasn't I getting bashed for suggesting this earlier?

yes, and that guy should get bashed as well.I love how you quote sportswriters as if they're some sort of bastion of intelligence here. they're not.

look at what this guy suggests doing with the lineup too. They already have 2 power forwards, so why not trade Oden for a 3rd one? And he has Randolph starting at Center? come on, Assani.

I was thinking the same thing. If anything, the Blazers will trade Randolph

Darius Miles might not even come back. His knee(s) and attitude are killing his career.

 

[RedRaiders]

Anyone have ESPN Insider? Chad Ford has a first round mock up.