2007 NBA DRAFT - ODEN and PORTLAND CRIPPLED (1 Viewer)

[Doctor Detroit]

Can one of you NBA tell me who the Pistons might take at #15? They need a guard and a big boned guy for the middle. I had heard this draft is deep but I don't follow scouting at all. TIA.

 

[Mr. Yuk]

I'm a bit too young to remember Tisdale, but I looked up his college stats and was impressed. Can you tell me about the hype around him?

Waymon has parlayed his college and NBA fame into a very successful career as a jazz musician

 

[Colin Dowling]

Can one of you NBA tell me who the Pistons might take at #15? They need a guard and a big boned guy for the middle. I had heard this draft is deep but I don't follow scouting at all. TIA.

Al Thornton dropping would be a good fit. Draft Express has Rodney Stuckey going there.

 

[packersfan]

I saw on another board that the Hawks reportedly are locking into taking Yi with the third pick. I'm hoping this is the case as a Bucks fan since it pushes the two players I like the most (Horford and Conley) closer to Milwaukee at six. I still can't believe Horford falls past the Grizzlies, though.

 

[Workhorse]

I saw on another board that the Hawks reportedly are locking into taking Yi with the third pick. I'm hoping this is the case as a Bucks fan since it pushes the two players I like the most (Horford and Conley) closer to Milwaukee at six. I still can't believe Horford falls past the Grizzlies, though.

If the Hawks don't take Conley at #3, they should disband the organization and sell it for scrap.

 

[packersfan]

I saw on another board that the Hawks reportedly are locking into taking Yi with the third pick. I'm hoping this is the case as a Bucks fan since it pushes the two players I like the most (Horford and Conley) closer to Milwaukee at six. I still can't believe Horford falls past the Grizzlies, though.

If the Hawks don't take Conley at #3, they should disband the organization and sell it for scrap.

I think it would be a gigantic blunder as well. But they may believe they can get a PG through a trade (such as Jack) or grab one at 11 (Law, Crittenton).

 

[Assani Fisher]

Can one of you NBA tell me who the Pistons might take at #15? They need a guard and a big boned guy for the middle. I had heard this draft is deep but I don't follow scouting at all. TIA.

Al Thornton dropping would be a good fit. Draft Express has Rodney Stuckey going there.

I don't like the Thornton pick because his skillset is simliar to Maxiell imo.A lot depends on if Billups leaves or not. If he does, then Law or Crittenton could go to Detroit. A guy like Tiago Splitter fits into their defensive philosophy well too imo.

 

[Kraft...]

Can one of you NBA tell me who the Pistons might take at #15? They need a guard and a big boned guy for the middle. I had heard this draft is deep but I don't follow scouting at all. TIA.

Al Thornton dropping would be a good fit. Draft Express has Rodney Stuckey going there.

Chad Ford has Stuckey going to the Pistons too, would be a nice upgrade at SG when Rip needs a rest(if they can keep Billups of course)

 

[Denali]

I saw on another board that the Hawks reportedly are locking into taking Yi with the third pick. I'm hoping this is the case as a Bucks fan since it pushes the two players I like the most (Horford and Conley) closer to Milwaukee at six. I still can't believe Horford falls past the Grizzlies, though.

If the Hawks don't take Conley at #3, they should disband the organization and sell it for scrap.

I think it would be a gigantic blunder as well. But they may believe they can get a PG through a trade (such as Jack) or grab one at 11 (Law, Crittenton).

Hawks fan here and want Yi at 3 and will take Law,Crittenton at 11 ( preferably Law ). Most Hawks fans are on this wave of thought as well. If we can deal the #3 for an established Big, someone of our liking then by all means do it but don't see it happening. Perfect scenerio for the Hawks is as follows...#3 - Draft Yi#11 - Trade it to Portland.Deal would be...ATL trades #11, Josh Childress & Speedy ClaxtonPort trades Jarrett Jack, Joel Pryzibilla, 2nd rd'erRosterPG - Jarrett Jack/Ty Lue/AJSG - Joe Johnson/SalimSF - Yi/MarvinPF - Smoove/SheldenC - Pryz/ZaZa/Solomon

 

[BoulderBob]

Anyone else not impressed with the youtube videos of Yi? He will have his place in the NBA, imo, but a star(or a starter) he is not. Seems fairly athletic for a 7 footer, but 'aint getting to the rim in the NBA, no way in hell. Very slow jump shot, decent range, from most accounts (other than his agent, err, ESPN's version of Don King, Chad Ford) his defense will be on par with the worst players in the league. Seeing him fall down after being chest-bumped by a 140 pound Chinese PG sealed the deal. He will make his team a ton of extra money, which is a +, I guess.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Can one of you NBA tell me who the Pistons might take at #15? They need a guard and a big boned guy for the middle. I had heard this draft is deep but I don't follow scouting at all. TIA.

Al Thornton dropping would be a good fit. Draft Express has Rodney Stuckey going there.

Chad Ford has Stuckey going to the Pistons too, would be a nice upgrade at SG when Rip needs a rest(if they can keep Billups of course)

Thanks to all who commented.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Word is that Marco Belinelli had a pretty poor Reebok EuroCamp. Hes going on a tour of individual workouts now, so theres still time left to impress, but these past few days have only increased the odds that he pulls his name out of the draft to wait until next year.Also, draftexpress reports that UCLA bound Malcolm Lee was the most impressive player at the camp:

Regardless of what the stats might indicate, Malcolm Lee was flat-out the most impressive player seen in Treviso in day two of action, bar-none. He looked so far ahead of the players 2-5 years older than him that it wasn’t even funny, making it quite scary to imagine how good he’ll be in a few years when his body starts to fill out and he finds a true position for himself. What’s certain is that UCLA seems to have a future stud committed to them. Lee is a freakishly quick combo guard with a knack for getting into the paint. He can go left or right equally well, and possesses an outstanding first step and even better body control finishing in the lane. He showed nice instincts finding the open man on the drive and dish, even if he looks to be more of a shooting guard at the moment than the point guard he is listed at on the roster. That might have had to do with the limited minutes he played at that position, though, as the extremely short Isaiah Thomas played 26 minutes and wasn’t going to be anywhere else except on the ball. Lee also has a really nice jump-shot he can go to, either from a static position or pulling up off the dribble. He’s also a fantastic defender, putting great pressure on the ball and showing excellent commitment to keeping his man in front of him. He came up with quite a few tips in the passing lanes thanks to his excellent instincts and hands for his efforts. In terms of weaknesses, the first would obviously be his body. Lee looks very far right now from being anywhere close to physically mature, which isn’t a huge surprise considering he just turned 17. He has a very thin frame that will need some bulk before he’s able to maximize himself at the college level playing for UCLA. Lee could also stand to improve his ball-handling skills, which is a little bit tougher than for most because of how long his arms are. Lee has a tendency to dribble the ball with his head down, so becoming more aware of his surroundings, particularly if he’s indeed going to play the point at the next level, will be a big priority.

 

[Sammy3469]

For those that care Greg Oden has a blog

Link

 

[_4_]

I thought it interesting that Alando Tucker turned down his invitation to the Orlando Pre-Draft Camp.

This portends a drop to the second round I would think.

 

[packersfan]

Anyone else not impressed with the youtube videos of Yi? He will have his place in the NBA, imo, but a star(or a starter) he is not. Seems fairly athletic for a 7 footer, but 'aint getting to the rim in the NBA, no way in hell. Very slow jump shot, decent range, from most accounts (other than his agent, err, ESPN's version of Don King, Chad Ford) his defense will be on par with the worst players in the league. Seeing him fall down after being chest-bumped by a 140 pound Chinese PG sealed the deal. He will make his team a ton of extra money, which is a +, I guess.

He reminds me of Charlie Villanueva, which is one reason why I don't want the Bucks to take him at 6.

 

[packersfan]

I thought it interesting that Alando Tucker turned down his invitation to the Orlando Pre-Draft Camp. This portends a drop to the second round I would think.

He's always been a fringe first-/second-round pick. He's hurt by the fact he's a tweener at the pro level. But he has talent and a great work ethic. I think he'll be a solid backup as a pro and a steal in the second round for the team that gets him.

 

[Sammy3469]

I thought it interesting that Alando Tucker turned down his invitation to the Orlando Pre-Draft Camp. This portends a drop to the second round I would think.

Guys usually skip these camps if they get a guarantee from some team that they'll draft them.

 

[packersfan]

ESPN's Ric Bucher is reporting that the Bucks and Hawks are talking trade - Villanueva/6th pick to the Hawks for the third pick. The Bucks would then take Horford with the third pick. No word if there's anything else in the trade but as a Bucks fan I would be thrilled with this deal. The Villanueva trade was a terrible move for the Bucks. He's a poor fit at power forward next to Bogut. Horford brings everything they need at the position. My guess is the Hawks would be moving to 6 with the intent on taking Conley there.

 

[RedRaiders]

Yikes, do the Hawks really need Vilanueva? That's one crowded front court already.

 

[tommyGunZ]

ESPN's Ric Bucher is reporting that the Bucks and Hawks are talking trade - Villanueva/6th pick to the Hawks for the third pick. The Bucks would then take Horford with the third pick. No word if there's anything else in the trade but as a Bucks fan I would be thrilled with this deal. The Villanueva trade was a terrible move for the Bucks. He's a poor fit at power forward next to Bogut. Horford brings everything they need at the position. My guess is the Hawks would be moving to 6 with the intent on taking Conley there.

I agree that Villanueva is a poor fit for the Bucks, but that's an awfully steep price to pay to move up 3 picks. No-brainer for the Hawks, IMO. They essentially get an extra lottery pick for free, as Conley should be there at 6.

 

[buster c]

I thought it interesting that Alando Tucker turned down his invitation to the Orlando Pre-Draft Camp. This portends a drop to the second round I would think.

He's always been a fringe first-/second-round pick. He's hurt by the fact he's a tweener at the pro level. But he has talent and a great work ethic. I think he'll be a solid backup as a pro and a steal in the second round for the team that gets him.

A: Josh Howard, Tashaun Prince, Daniel Gibson, Cal Booth ...Q: name players who I loved in college who were drafted way too lateTucker might be added to the list

 

[Tremendous Upside]

ESPN's Ric Bucher is reporting that the Bucks and Hawks are talking trade - Villanueva/6th pick to the Hawks for the third pick. The Bucks would then take Horford with the third pick. No word if there's anything else in the trade but as a Bucks fan I would be thrilled with this deal. The Villanueva trade was a terrible move for the Bucks. He's a poor fit at power forward next to Bogut. Horford brings everything they need at the position. My guess is the Hawks would be moving to 6 with the intent on taking Conley there.

I agree that Villanueva is a poor fit for the Bucks, but that's an awfully steep price to pay to move up 3 picks. No-brainer for the Hawks, IMO. They essentially get an extra lottery pick for free, as Conley should be there at 6.

Stockpiling assets baby!:Isiah:

 

[RedRaiders]

Didn't expect Calvin Booth's name to surface. He did get a monster "because of his size" contract though iirc.

 

[packersfan]

ESPN's Ric Bucher is reporting that the Bucks and Hawks are talking trade - Villanueva/6th pick to the Hawks for the third pick. The Bucks would then take Horford with the third pick. No word if there's anything else in the trade but as a Bucks fan I would be thrilled with this deal. The Villanueva trade was a terrible move for the Bucks. He's a poor fit at power forward next to Bogut. Horford brings everything they need at the position. My guess is the Hawks would be moving to 6 with the intent on taking Conley there.

I agree that Villanueva is a poor fit for the Bucks, but that's an awfully steep price to pay to move up 3 picks.

I don't think so. Villanueva really is a horrible fit. The guy doesn't defend, spends too much time jacking up jumpers and has zero motivation. The Bucks' GM came out and called him "lazy" at the end of the season. He couldn't even pass Brian Skinner on the depth chart when healthy this season. Plus, if you believe there's a huge talent drop-off at six and you believe Horford has high impact talent and potential than the deal makes sense. Again, maybe there's more to the deal with those three aspects being the key parts. But I'm more than happy with that trade from the Bucks' perspective if that's what it comes down to.

 

[buster c]

Didn't expect Calvin Booth's name to surface. He did get a monster "because of his size" contract though iirc.

I bagged it, but really - what's the NCAA all-time shot block leader doing lasting until the 40's? He still is a functional guy. He looks like he's 63 years old, but as a Bullet fan, I'll take him over Brenda Deadwood every time

 

[tommyGunZ]

I'm not surprised Hortford is soldifying himself as the 3rd best prospect in this draft. He'll be better in the pros than he was in college.

 

[_4_]

I could see moving Villenueva and the 6th to get up into the top 2, but 3-8 are all risks.

If the Bucks do that deal it is more an indictment of Villenueva than an advocation for Horford.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I'm not a fan of Horford. He's not a very fluid athlete and his game looks awkward and unconventional. Of course I thought the same things about Josh Howard when he came out. I still don't understand how his game works but it's effective, maybe Horford will have similar success.

 

[Kraft...]

Some buzz about the Celts possibly taking Brewer at 5

 

[Assani Fisher]

I could see moving Villenueva and the 6th to get up into the top 2, but 3-8 are all risks.

If the Bucks do that deal it is more an indictment of Villenueva than an advocation for Horford.

 

[Capella]

I could see moving Villenueva and the 6th to get up into the top 2, but 3-8 are all risks.

If the Bucks do that deal it is more an indictment of Villenueva than an advocation for Horford.

Why would the Sonics even consider that?

 

[Colin Dowling]

Some buzz about the Celts possibly taking Brewer at 5

Why ?That would be an excellent selection, IMO.

 

[tommyGunZ]

i think Sores is talking about it from the Bucks perspective. That losing Villenueva and #6 for #2 would be worthwhile, but that Chuck and #6 for #3 is too expensive.

I tend to agree with him.

 

[Capella]

i think Sores is talking about it from the Bucks perspective. That losing Villenueva and #6 for #2 would be worthwhileI tend to agree with him.

Of course it would be. The Magic trading Bo Outlaw for Lebron James would be worthwhile for them as well.

 

[tommyGunZ]

i think Sores is talking about it from the Bucks perspective. That losing Villenueva and #6 for #2 would be worthwhileI tend to agree with him.

Of course it would be. The Magic trading Bo Outlaw for Lebron James would be worthwhile for them as well.

Not sure about that. Outlaw makes his teammates better. Gibson was 1-10 last night, obviously LeBron sucks.

 

[Capella]

i think Sores is talking about it from the Bucks perspective. That losing Villenueva and #6 for #2 would be worthwhileI tend to agree with him.

Of course it would be. The Magic trading Bo Outlaw for Lebron James would be worthwhile for them as well.

Not sure about that. Outlaw makes his teammates better. Gibson was 1-10 last night, obviously LeBron sucks.

Those Spurs can play some D.

 

[tommyGunZ]

i think Sores is talking about it from the Bucks perspective. That losing Villenueva and #6 for #2 would be worthwhileI tend to agree with him.

Of course it would be. The Magic trading Bo Outlaw for Lebron James would be worthwhile for them as well.

Not sure about that. Outlaw makes his teammates better. Gibson was 1-10 last night, obviously LeBron sucks.

Those Spurs can play some D.

Sure can. The NBA will be better off when Bowen retires. He can single-handedly make an NBA playoff series unwatchable. Last night was brutal.

 

[Capella]

i think Sores is talking about it from the Bucks perspective. That losing Villenueva and #6 for #2 would be worthwhileI tend to agree with him.

Of course it would be. The Magic trading Bo Outlaw for Lebron James would be worthwhile for them as well.

Not sure about that. Outlaw makes his teammates better. Gibson was 1-10 last night, obviously LeBron sucks.

Those Spurs can play some D.

Sure can. The NBA will be better off when Bowen retires. He can single-handedly make an NBA playoff series unwatchable. Last night was brutal.

Had it on for 10 minutes top. Absolutely brutal basketball.

 

[tommyGunZ]

i think Sores is talking about it from the Bucks perspective. That losing Villenueva and #6 for #2 would be worthwhileI tend to agree with him.

Of course it would be. The Magic trading Bo Outlaw for Lebron James would be worthwhile for them as well.

Not sure about that. Outlaw makes his teammates better. Gibson was 1-10 last night, obviously LeBron sucks.

Those Spurs can play some D.

Sure can. The NBA will be better off when Bowen retires. He can single-handedly make an NBA playoff series unwatchable. Last night was brutal.

Had it on for 10 minutes top. Absolutely brutal basketball.

I watched all of it - it was better than the baseball game.

 

[Capella]

i think Sores is talking about it from the Bucks perspective. That losing Villenueva and #6 for #2 would be worthwhileI tend to agree with him.

Of course it would be. The Magic trading Bo Outlaw for Lebron James would be worthwhile for them as well.

Not sure about that. Outlaw makes his teammates better. Gibson was 1-10 last night, obviously LeBron sucks.

Those Spurs can play some D.

Sure can. The NBA will be better off when Bowen retires. He can single-handedly make an NBA playoff series unwatchable. Last night was brutal.

Had it on for 10 minutes top. Absolutely brutal basketball.

I watched all of it - it was better than the baseball game.

not from my point of view

 

[saintfool]

Sure can. The NBA will be better off when Bowen retires. He can single-handedly make an NBA playoff series unwatchable. Last night was brutal.

What ar eyou talking about? He was 4-6 from the field, including 4 from 3pt... beautiful!

 

[Your Mother]

i think Sores is talking about it from the Bucks perspective. That losing Villenueva and #6 for #2 would be worthwhileI tend to agree with him.

Of course it would be. The Magic trading Bo Outlaw for Lebron James would be worthwhile for them as well.

Not sure about that. Outlaw makes his teammates better. Gibson was 1-10 last night, obviously LeBron sucks.

Those Spurs can play some D.

Sure can. The NBA will be better off when Bowen retires. He can single-handedly make an NBA playoff series unwatchable. Last night was brutal.

I like how some people say there's too much defense in the NBA, some say there isn't enough. A better solution is to make the court a little bigger. With the size and speed of today's NBA players, the court is "smaller" now than it was 20 years ago. Nobody wants to see guys play basketball in a closet.

 

[packersfan]

i think Sores is talking about it from the Bucks perspective. That losing Villenueva and #6 for #2 would be worthwhile, but that Chuck and #6 for #3 is too expensive.I tend to agree with him.

I don't. I think Horford is clearly the third-best player in this draft and would be a significant upgrade over Villanueva, who (I can't stress this enough) really is a horrible fit for the Bucks at PF. Also, I don't know if Villanueva would fetch a lottery pick in this draft (12-14 at best). If you agree with that, then taking the sixth pick and a pick in the 12-14 range at best that would be a fair move up for Horford if you really believed in him. I will be off the charts ecstatic if the Bucks make this trade.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

i think Sores is talking about it from the Bucks perspective. That losing Villenueva and #6 for #2 would be worthwhile, but that Chuck and #6 for #3 is too expensive.I tend to agree with him.

I don't. I think Horford is clearly the third-best player in this draft and would be a significant upgrade over Villanueva, who (I can't stress this enough) really is a horrible fit for the Bucks at PF. Also, I don't know if Villanueva would fetch a lottery pick in this draft (12-14 at best). If you agree with that, then taking the sixth pick and a pick in the 12-14 range at best that would be a fair move up for Horford if you really believed in him. I will be off the charts ecstatic if the Bucks make this trade.

I don't know...I have a pretty large ecstatic chart...

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

i think Sores is talking about it from the Bucks perspective. That losing Villenueva and #6 for #2 would be worthwhile, but that Chuck and #6 for #3 is too expensive.

I tend to agree with him.

I don't. I think Horford is clearly the third-best player in this draft and would be a significant upgrade over Villanueva, who (I can't stress this enough) really is a horrible fit for the Bucks at PF. Also, I don't know if Villanueva would fetch a lottery pick in this draft (12-14 at best). If you agree with that, then taking the sixth pick and a pick in the 12-14 range at best that would be a fair move up for Horford if you really believed in him. I will be off the charts ecstatic if the Bucks make this trade.

X

 

[Tremendous Upside]

i think Sores is talking about it from the Bucks perspective. That losing Villenueva and #6 for #2 would be worthwhile, but that Chuck and #6 for #3 is too expensive.

I tend to agree with him.

I don't. I think Horford is clearly the third-best player in this draft and would be a significant upgrade over Villanueva, who (I can't stress this enough) really is a horrible fit for the Bucks at PF. Also, I don't know if Villanueva would fetch a lottery pick in this draft (12-14 at best). If you agree with that, then taking the sixth pick and a pick in the 12-14 range at best that would be a fair move up for Horford if you really believed in him. I will be off the charts ecstatic if the Bucks make this trade.

X

Who do you think is #3?Wright?

Jianlian?

Brewer?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

i think Sores is talking about it from the Bucks perspective. That losing Villenueva and #6 for #2 would be worthwhile, but that Chuck and #6 for #3 is too expensive.

I tend to agree with him.

I don't. I think Horford is clearly the third-best player in this draft and would be a significant upgrade over Villanueva, who (I can't stress this enough) really is a horrible fit for the Bucks at PF. Also, I don't know if Villanueva would fetch a lottery pick in this draft (12-14 at best). If you agree with that, then taking the sixth pick and a pick in the 12-14 range at best that would be a fair move up for Horford if you really believed in him. I will be off the charts ecstatic if the Bucks make this trade.

X

Who do you think is #3?Wright?

Jianlian?

Brewer?

Maybe. It is isn't clear.

 

[_4_]

I could see moving Villenueva and the 6th to get up into the top 2, but 3-8 are all risks.

If the Bucks do that deal it is more an indictment of Villenueva than an advocation for Horford.

Why would the Sonics even consider that?

They wouldn't. I wasn't implying that it was a deal that had ANY CHANCE of happening. I was just saying that giving up Villenueva and 6 would be stupid on the Bucks part because there isn't enough difference in the player the Bucks could get at 3 and the one they will get at 6. Now, if they want to do a salary dump with Villenueva and make that deal to help them sign some other FA - then I would say, have at it. BTW - anyone here Joakim Noah's take on why he refused a workout with the Bucks? (other than the "the Bucks suck - why would anyone want to go there" that is expected from some of you)

 

[Assani Fisher]

i think Sores is talking about it from the Bucks perspective. That losing Villenueva and #6 for #2 would be worthwhileI tend to agree with him.

Of course it would be. The Magic trading Bo Outlaw for Lebron James would be worthwhile for them as well.

Not sure about that. Outlaw makes his teammates better. Gibson was 1-10 last night, obviously LeBron sucks.

Those Spurs can play some D.

Sure can. The NBA will be better off when Bowen retires. He can single-handedly make an NBA playoff series unwatchable. Last night was brutal.

I like how some people say there's too much defense in the NBA, some say there isn't enough. A better solution is to make the court a little bigger. With the size and speed of today's NBA players, the court is "smaller" now than it was 20 years ago. Nobody wants to see guys play basketball in a closet.

I'm not really sure how this would help though....not many guys have legit range more than a foot behind the NBA 3pt line. So defenses could stay just as compact.

 

[Assani Fisher]

i think Sores is talking about it from the Bucks perspective. That losing Villenueva and #6 for #2 would be worthwhile, but that Chuck and #6 for #3 is too expensive.

I tend to agree with him.

I don't. I think Horford is clearly the third-best player in this draft and would be a significant upgrade over Villanueva, who (I can't stress this enough) really is a horrible fit for the Bucks at PF. Also, I don't know if Villanueva would fetch a lottery pick in this draft (12-14 at best). If you agree with that, then taking the sixth pick and a pick in the 12-14 range at best that would be a fair move up for Horford if you really believed in him. I will be off the charts ecstatic if the Bucks make this trade.

X

Who do you think is #3?Wright?

Jianlian?

Brewer?

Maybe. It is isn't clear.

It isn't clear to us, but I have no clue why everyone is acting as if that means that it isn't clear to some teams who have a ton more info than us.