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2007 NBA DRAFT - ODEN and PORTLAND CRIPPLED (1 Viewer)
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Notorious T.R.E.
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RedRaiders said:
Nice pick McHale.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
FWIW, he's supposedly gotten offers to come back to the NBA, but makes too much playing in Russia for it to make sense. Apparently, those oligarchs lay out the dough
ETA: this was from a TruHoop post on May 8th:
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RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Langdon could eventually make a return, like Anthony Parker of the Raptors.
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Here are some Sixers tidbits from the last couple days:
First, King said something the other day with the jist of "if there are no impact players at 12 we will be exploring all options" - sounds nice, but he's also insulating himself a little if they can't trade out.
There is talk that they are trying to trade up from the 12th or the 21st . There are a bunch of teams with no first round pick that they can deal with. King has also said, "we know exactly how high we can get in the draft". They supposedly want Yi, Jeff Green or Brandon Wright (puke).
Al Thornton visited the other day at 75% due to a sprained ankle. He went the length of the court in 4 dribbles. Guy is 24 years old and ready to play. A lot of mocks have him going to them but the Sixers are not tipping their hand. This is too much of a smart pick for them at 12, but no guarantees he's even there.
They are also picking up interest in Noah and are scheduled to interview him in New York.
Aaron Afflalo is coming in for a 2nd workout - they like this guy a lot apparently (possibly with the 21st?). Josh McRoberts also was in recently.
Rodney Stuckey has refused to come in for a workout, the Sixers are not keen on drafting anyone they haven't met with. Stucky went to EASTERN FREAKIN WASHINGTON. Get over yourself.
First, King said something the other day with the jist of "if there are no impact players at 12 we will be exploring all options" - sounds nice, but he's also insulating himself a little if they can't trade out.
There is talk that they are trying to trade up from the 12th or the 21st . There are a bunch of teams with no first round pick that they can deal with. King has also said, "we know exactly how high we can get in the draft". They supposedly want Yi, Jeff Green or Brandon Wright (puke).
Al Thornton visited the other day at 75% due to a sprained ankle. He went the length of the court in 4 dribbles. Guy is 24 years old and ready to play. A lot of mocks have him going to them but the Sixers are not tipping their hand. This is too much of a smart pick for them at 12, but no guarantees he's even there.
They are also picking up interest in Noah and are scheduled to interview him in New York.
Aaron Afflalo is coming in for a 2nd workout - they like this guy a lot apparently (possibly with the 21st?). Josh McRoberts also was in recently.
Rodney Stuckey has refused to come in for a workout, the Sixers are not keen on drafting anyone they haven't met with. Stucky went to EASTERN FREAKIN WASHINGTON. Get over yourself.
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Also, Chad Ford's mock draft of the lottery is up for free at espn.com He has Brandon Wright falling to 10 as his workouts haven't been great and there are concerns about his motor (naturally).
saintfool
Dead sexy
i can actually understand him slipping a little from the early buzz on him. where he has been penciled in 1.3 or 1.4 don't really make sense. Atlanta and/or Memphis don't need him really. They have lots of talent at that position(s). Same with Boston. Milwaukee is a possibility. Minnesota too, especially if they move KG. Not Charlotte or Chicago. Sacramento, definitely. I think he's a tremendous talent. He's a greyhound in the open court. He's a terrific finisher. He likes to defend, albeit it's shotblocking more than real defending. With the right team/coach, he'll be a superstar.
Notorious T.R.E.
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Any thoughts on Glen Davis and where he goes?
Anybody know much about this big white dude from Colorado State, Jason Smith? Several mocks have him going to the Wizards and while we need a decent big man, is this guy it? From one comparison I read he's another Songila, and we already have the original. But I guess he'd have to be better than Brenda Heyward, as almost anyone would be.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
A buffet?
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
The Knicks have reportedly made a promise to Wilson Chandler, SF out of DePaul...
Meh pick, but Isiah actually has a pretty solid drafting history, so I will give the pick the benefit of the doubt (at least it is not Josh McROberts)
Meh pick, but Isiah actually has a pretty solid drafting history, so I will give the pick the benefit of the doubt (at least it is not Josh McROberts)
saintfool
Dead sexy
I can actually see San Antonio grabbing him. I would prefer to see them grab Jared Dudley but Davis isn't a bad borderline pick.
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Sixers have talked to him a good bit also. I wouldn't mind him at 30.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Aren't they kind of loaded at F? Jeffries & Quentin R would need to be moved?
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
It wouldn't shock me if he fell all the way out of the first round. From what I've read he's back up around his top weight and teams may be scared off. If he can ever get his conditioning together he'll be a great value for whoever takes him in the late-first or early-second.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
'Seems like they view Wilson as a "project" type who won't get much (if any) PT this year anyway...They have a glut of mediocrity everywhere....I do like the Randolph Morris pick up late last year, though...
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
The Rockets have been spending a lot of time with Glen Davis and ran him through a very hard workout. The consensus is that they need someone thick to pair with Chuck Hayes (assuming they get him re-signed) since they don't have a PF on the roster.
saintfool
Dead sexy
I read an article on Rivals (last week maybe?) that put his weight back at 280-ish. He just needs to stay at that weight.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
That may be kind.
saintfool
Dead sexy
I like the idea of them getting a slasher kind of player that can attack from the perimeter. The do need someone with a reliable outside shot. Q's been a huge disappointment for them.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
He can play at 280, anything north of 300 and it's Robert Traylor territory. It concerns me that he put the weight back on in the first place after slimming down going into this season. Having watched John Williams, Oliver Miller, and Traylor eat away their careers, I think this is always going to be an issue for Davis.
Notorious T.R.E.
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I agree, but I love the way he plays. Crazy good touch and obviously he can bang. I think he'll be a very good value for the team that gets him at the end of the 1st/early 2nd.
saintfool
Dead sexy
I agree, which is why I think a team that is dedicated -- like SA -- would be a good fit. Timmy is a terrific role model for a young player like him. The fact that Davis is such a "good guy" means he could easily fit on on a team filled with other nice guys. Dudley, though, is my preference. I loved watching him at BC this past year. He's the type of player that SA could use.
Kraft...
Footballguy
Ford has him going #1 in round two to the sonics, I bet he'll go somewhere in the first
saintfool
Dead sexy
he cancelled his workout with the Sonics, I believe. I don't see him going there, as a result. Especially with the new management...
jeter23
Footballguy
I have seen rumors linking him to the Nets.
saintfool
Dead sexy
at 1.17?! NFW...
Kraft...
Footballguy
Suposedly the Nets were high on Shawn Williams but he wouldn't work out for them I guess
saintfool
Dead sexy
Sean Williams shouldn't be drafted before the 1st round on principle. He's got talent but, if he's refusing to workout for a team like NJ, has shown incredible ego. He violated team rules - repeatedly - at BC before getting the boot for the drugs. Why would any team risk a 1st rounder on him, especially when there are players without the baggage? That he's refusing workouts is just silly. I hope they put him in the Green Room so that we can watch him squirm through the draft.
Capn Crunch
Footballguy
It will help him immensely, IMO, to have Ray Allen to kick the ball out to if he gets double teamed. Seattle could be a great situation for him.
Kraft...
Footballguy
Some see him as a poor mans Ben Wallace, guess that's worth the risk to some teams out there
packersfan
Footballguy
According to reports on ESPN, the Suns offered Marion to the Bucks for a package primarily featuring Villanueva and the sixth pick but the Bucks turned it down.
Figures.
Figures.
saintfool
Dead sexy
i think the financial commitment to a player like marion - $16m - is clearly a factor. they have to make a decision about mo williams, patterson and charlie bell. i think 1.6 gives them a lot of flexibility to address their roster demands.
saintfool
Dead sexy
he's a borderline 1st/2nd round pick. i would love to see him in a spurs uniform. he's the type of player the spurs like in terms of his work ethic. he also addresses a position of need for them.
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
I think Dudley ends up going to a perennial playoff team and makes an impact coming off the bench. He'll be a great pick late in the first round.
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Read on ESPN that 15 players are showing up at the draft. Should be some potential green room drama when you start expanding outside the lottery.
Capella
Footballguy
Can't wait. One of my favorite tv viewing experiences of the year.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
josh howard part deux?
saintfool
Dead sexy
Maybe. Howard plays bigger than his body. I was shocked to see him listed at 6'6" or so. I thought he played at Wake as more a PF than anything. His game reflects that kind of physical play.
packersfan
Footballguy
Patterson won't be back; Bell will be affordable (between $3M-$4M a year) and I don't think there will be much of a market for Williams so he'll be affordable if the Bucks want him back. I just think the chance to get rid of a player (Villanueva) who doesn't fit and who the GM called "lazy" a few weeks ago and bring in one of the game's best players who would help the team on both ends of the court is too great to pass up.That said, I'd only make the deal if Horford and Conley are both off the board. I expect both of them to be gone (Horford will be for sure) but there's still a slim chance Conley will be there at six. If he is, that's the guy I want the Bucks to take.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Patterson might not be back but I think you are way off with Charlie and Mo. Those guys were very productive. Bell - 13ppg - will get way more than $4m. Same with Mo. Teams that need a PG just entering his good years are legion. I can see the logic of getting rid of Villanueva but I think your offseason direction depends on who you get in the draft.
packersfan
Footballguy
Patterson's gone. Trust me.
As far as Bell, I don't see a team offering him a mid-level deal. He's a good player but not a great one and it's not like he's young. I think $4M a year tops for him. With regard to Williams, there aren't many teams that need a PG and have the money to spend. Most of the teams that do are over the cap so all they can offer is a mid-level deal. Only two teams have the money to spend on a PG this summer:MilwaukeeMemphisThe Grizzlies could solve that issue by taking Conley fourth. We'll see.The Hawks also have money to spend and need a PG but I've been told they don't like Mo as a starter and besides, they're almost certain to take a PG in the draft.
jeter23
Footballguy
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketba...g_net_gain.htmlIt won't be until late Thursday night that the Nets reveal whether or not they like Glen Davis enough to make him the 17th selection in the NBA draft.
But the player known as Big Baby has already made it clear that he likes the Nets. In fact, it sounds like he would love to play for them.
Since impressing the Nets in a predraft workout a couple of weeks ago, Davis has blogged about how well he thinks he'd mesh with the team, especially its big three of Jason Kidd, Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson. He repeated those feelings yesterday.
"I think New Jersey would be a great fit," said Davis, the robust forward from LSU.
While Davis is just one of many big men the Nets are considering drafting, the team's fans have already made their choice, picking Davis as the player they'd like to see the Nets take in a recent poll on the team's Web site.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Didn't the NEts draft a few PFs last year?
saintfool
Dead sexy
Nice puff piece article but at 1.17 that would be a reach. That's all I'm saying. Players like McRoberts, Smith and Splitter are appropriate value for that spot in the draft, if they go to build their frontcourt. I would love for them to get a legit 3 pt sharpshooter.jeter23 said:
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
Pretty interesting article on ESPN.com from John Hollinger, the NBA stat dude.
Hollinger Draft Prospect Ratings
It is a lengthy article, so I will summarize. Hollinger came up with a statistical system to rank college prospects for the NBA. Backtesting shows that it correlates pretty well with actual on the floor production and, importantly, has mostly avoided rating total busts highly.
According to his system, Kevin Durant is the best college prospect in years and is a significantly better prospect than Oden is. He is also a better prospect than Carmelo, Boozer, Chris Paul, and Tyrus Thomas, who were the players his system ranked at the top of the last several drafts.
His system hightlights Hawes, Brewer and Law as way overvalued in the mock drafts and potentially big busts.
Another interesting tidbit is that Conley is ranked only slightly behind Oden.
This might be just another example of data mining, but his factors seem to make intuitive sense.
In any event, it ain't the Gospel, but it is a good read.
Hollinger Draft Prospect Ratings
It is a lengthy article, so I will summarize. Hollinger came up with a statistical system to rank college prospects for the NBA. Backtesting shows that it correlates pretty well with actual on the floor production and, importantly, has mostly avoided rating total busts highly.
According to his system, Kevin Durant is the best college prospect in years and is a significantly better prospect than Oden is. He is also a better prospect than Carmelo, Boozer, Chris Paul, and Tyrus Thomas, who were the players his system ranked at the top of the last several drafts.
His system hightlights Hawes, Brewer and Law as way overvalued in the mock drafts and potentially big busts.
Another interesting tidbit is that Conley is ranked only slightly behind Oden.
This might be just another example of data mining, but his factors seem to make intuitive sense.
In any event, it ain't the Gospel, but it is a good read.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
I just finished reading this as well. His system seems to be good at pulling up a few players who were overlooked, but it's not as good at weeding out potential busts.Definitely an interesting read though.
Your Mother
Footballguy
I got my shiny green suit pressed at the cleaners today in anticipation.
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