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2007 NBA DRAFT - ODEN and PORTLAND CRIPPLED (1 Viewer)

Patterson won't be back; Bell will be affordable (between $3M-$4M a year) and I don't think there will be much of a market for Williams so he'll be affordable if the Bucks want him back. I just think the chance to get rid of a player (Villanueva) who doesn't fit and who the GM called "lazy" a few weeks ago and bring in one of the game's best players who would help the team on both ends of the court is too great to pass up.That said, I'd only make the deal if Horford and Conley are both off the board. I expect both of them to be gone (Horford will be for sure) but there's still a slim chance Conley will be there at six. If he is, that's the guy I want the Bucks to take.
Patterson might not be back but I think you are way off with Charlie and Mo. Those guys were very productive. Bell - 13ppg - will get way more than $4m. Same with Mo. Teams that need a PG just entering his good years are legion. I can see the logic of getting rid of Villanueva but I think your offseason direction depends on who you get in the draft.
Patterson's gone. Trust me. :thumbdown: As far as Bell, I don't see a team offering him a mid-level deal. He's a good player but not a great one and it's not like he's young. I think $4M a year tops for him. With regard to Williams, there aren't many teams that need a PG and have the money to spend. Most of the teams that do are over the cap so all they can offer is a mid-level deal. Only two teams have the money to spend on a PG this summer:MilwaukeeMemphisThe Grizzlies could solve that issue by taking Conley fourth. We'll see.The Hawks also have money to spend and need a PG but I've been told they don't like Mo as a starter and besides, they're almost certain to take a PG in the draft.
I think Bell will get a MLE offer, hopefully from my Lakers. I think he's a very underated player, that could bust out with playing time and the right system. Think he would be a fine Triangle PG.
 
So the Sixers and Bucks have been in talks. The 12 and 21st for the 6th is in discussion. Sixers really can't afford to draft 3 first rounders anyway contract wise.

 
Chad Ford is reporting a trade offer between Boston and Seattle..Boston would get Ray Allen,for Theo Ratliff and the number 5 pick(maybe Gerald Green...)

Do it Danny.

 
So the Sixers and Bucks have been in talks. The 12 and 21st for the 6th is in discussion. Sixers really can't afford to draft 3 first rounders anyway contract wise.
Not that it really matters, but the 12 and 21 (1.525 and .987 mil) about equal the first year salary of 6 (2.314). The Sixers are really only in trouble because of Webber's last year (which I guess they could trade at some point this year, but I'm not 100% sure how that workss since they waived him), after that they are more than fine. Another factoid is that this is the first round rookie contracts are only guaranteed for 2 years instead of 3 like in year's past.
 
So the Sixers and Bucks have been in talks. The 12 and 21st for the 6th is in discussion. Sixers really can't afford to draft 3 first rounders anyway contract wise.
Not that it really matters, but the 12 and 21 (1.525 and .987 mil) about equal the first year salary of 6 (2.314). The Sixers are really only in trouble because of Webber's last year (which I guess they could trade at some point this year, but I'm not 100% sure how that workss since they waived him), after that they are more than fine. Another factoid is that this is the first round rookie contracts are only guaranteed for 2 years instead of 3 like in year's past.
That's true, I do believe they get rid of either the 21st or the 30th sometime tonight.Sean Williams had just his second individual workout yesterday - Sixers were super impressed, called him the best athlete that had brought in and a top 5 talent. So if they don't trade up for the Chinese stiff, they get a guy that will be booted out of the league in two years.
 
Chad Ford is reporting a trade offer between Boston and Seattle..Boston would get Ray Allen,for Theo Ratliff and the number 5 pick(maybe Gerald Green...)

Do it Danny.
Does this mean the trade could be Ratliff, Green, and the #5?

Or are you saying Green could be instead of the #5?
First one.I'm just saying they could throw in Gerald Green,but right now its Ratliff and #5 for Ray Allen.
 
Chad Ford is reporting a trade offer between Boston and Seattle..Boston would get Ray Allen,for Theo Ratliff and the number 5 pick(maybe Gerald Green...)

Do it Danny.
Does this mean the trade could be Ratliff, Green, and the #5?

Or are you saying Green could be instead of the #5?
First one.I'm just saying they could throw in Gerald Green,but right now its Ratliff and #5 for Ray Allen.
It's looking to me like a lot of rumors with not much going to happen.Until something happens, I'm not getting excited.

 
So the Sixers and Bucks have been in talks. The 12 and 21st for the 6th is in discussion. Sixers really can't afford to draft 3 first rounders anyway contract wise.
Not that it really matters, but the 12 and 21 (1.525 and .987 mil) about equal the first year salary of 6 (2.314). The Sixers are really only in trouble because of Webber's last year (which I guess they could trade at some point this year, but I'm not 100% sure how that workss since they waived him), after that they are more than fine. Another factoid is that this is the first round rookie contracts are only guaranteed for 2 years instead of 3 like in year's past.
That's true, I do believe they get rid of either the 21st or the 30th sometime tonight.Sean Williams had just his second individual workout yesterday - Sixers were super impressed, called him the best athlete that had brought in and a top 5 talent. So if they don't trade up for the Chinese stiff, they get a guy that will be booted out of the league in two years.
With Billy King deciding, what could go wrong? :goodposting:
 
I'll say this once: Portland is making a mistake.

As an aside, I'm wondering why the Rockets aren't trying to get Jason Richardson. Their first and Luther Head would certainly interest the Blazers, no? And a starting lineup of Alston, McGrady, Battier, Richardson, and Yao with Hayes, Bonzi, and James coming off the bench would be very strong. Adelman's had some success with headcases.

 
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So the Sixers and Bucks have been in talks. The 12 and 21st for the 6th is in discussion. Sixers really can't afford to draft 3 first rounders anyway contract wise.
Not that it really matters, but the 12 and 21 (1.525 and .987 mil) about equal the first year salary of 6 (2.314). The Sixers are really only in trouble because of Webber's last year (which I guess they could trade at some point this year, but I'm not 100% sure how that workss since they waived him), after that they are more than fine. Another factoid is that this is the first round rookie contracts are only guaranteed for 2 years instead of 3 like in year's past.
That's true, I do believe they get rid of either the 21st or the 30th sometime tonight.Sean Williams had just his second individual workout yesterday - Sixers were super impressed, called him the best athlete that had brought in and a top 5 talent. So if they don't trade up for the Chinese stiff, they get a guy that will be booted out of the league in two years.
With Billy King deciding, what could go wrong? :cry:
yep... King has 3 chances to blow it tonight... !! That is two more than he normally needs to prove his ineptness !!!
 
I'll say this once: Portland is making a mistake.As an aside, I'm wondering why the Rockets aren't trying to get Jason Richardson. Their first and Luther Head would certainly interest the Blazers, no? And a starting lineup of Alston, McGrady, Battier, Richardson, and Yao with Hayes, Bonzi, and James coming off the bench would be very strong. Adelman's had some success with headcases.
:cry: Richardson is on the Warriors. Maybe your talking about Randolph. In either case, it's not enough.
 
I'll say this once: Portland is making a mistake.As an aside, I'm wondering why the Rockets aren't trying to get Jason Richardson. Their first and Luther Head would certainly interest the Blazers, no? And a starting lineup of Alston, McGrady, Battier, Richardson, and Yao with Hayes, Bonzi, and James coming off the bench would be very strong. Adelman's had some success with headcases.
:cry: Richardson is on the Warriors. Maybe your talking about Randolph. In either case, it's not enough.
Sorry; I meant Randolph.It may not be enough outright, but if they want Randolph gone so that they can build around Aldridge and Oden down low, then I think that offer isn't TOO far off.
 
So the Sixers and Bucks have been in talks. The 12 and 21st for the 6th is in discussion. Sixers really can't afford to draft 3 first rounders anyway contract wise.
Not that it really matters, but the 12 and 21 (1.525 and .987 mil) about equal the first year salary of 6 (2.314). The Sixers are really only in trouble because of Webber's last year (which I guess they could trade at some point this year, but I'm not 100% sure how that workss since they waived him), after that they are more than fine. Another factoid is that this is the first round rookie contracts are only guaranteed for 2 years instead of 3 like in year's past.
That's true, I do believe they get rid of either the 21st or the 30th sometime tonight.Sean Williams had just his second individual workout yesterday - Sixers were super impressed, called him the best athlete that had brought in and a top 5 talent. So if they don't trade up for the Chinese stiff, they get a guy that will be booted out of the league in two years.
With Billy King deciding, what could go wrong? :unsure:
No, it'll be okay. Larry Brown is advising. :shrug:
 
If I'm Seattle, I do Ray ALlen for the #5 and an expiring contract without hanging up the phone. THat frees up the loot to resign Lewis and gives them a chance to take a very good player (Horford, Conley, or Noah) with the #5.

 
I'll say this once: Portland is making a mistake.As an aside, I'm wondering why the Rockets aren't trying to get Jason Richardson. Their first and Luther Head would certainly interest the Blazers, no? And a starting lineup of Alston, McGrady, Battier, Richardson, and Yao with Hayes, Bonzi, and James coming off the bench would be very strong. Adelman's had some success with headcases.
:mellow: Richardson is on the Warriors. Maybe your talking about Randolph. In either case, it's not enough.
Sorry; I meant Randolph.It may not be enough outright, but if they want Randolph gone so that they can build around Aldridge and Oden down low, then I think that offer isn't TOO far off.
You sure come up with some whacky stuff.I hate to go all JB on you, but how old are you?
 
If I'm Seattle, I do Ray ALlen for the #5 and an expiring contract without hanging up the phone. THat frees up the loot to resign Lewis and gives them a chance to take a very good player (Horford, Conley, or Noah) with the #5.
I agree. Seattle could get Durant, move Ridnour for pick #11 (if there's anything to that rumor), take either Conley//Noah/whoever at #5, and then have #11 for whoever else falls all while resigning Rashard Lewis, and reshuffling for the future with a lot of top prospects.
 
I'll say this once: Portland is making a mistake.As an aside, I'm wondering why the Rockets aren't trying to get Jason Richardson. Their first and Luther Head would certainly interest the Blazers, no? And a starting lineup of Alston, McGrady, Battier, Richardson, and Yao with Hayes, Bonzi, and James coming off the bench would be very strong. Adelman's had some success with headcases.
:mellow: Richardson is on the Warriors. Maybe your talking about Randolph. In either case, it's not enough.
Sorry; I meant Randolph.It may not be enough outright, but if they want Randolph gone so that they can build around Aldridge and Oden down low, then I think that offer isn't TOO far off.
You sure come up with some whacky stuff.I hate to go all JB on you, but how old are you?
I turn 6 on Saturday. :birthdaycandle:Anyway, Head and a 1st aren't the point. My point is that I'm surprised that Houston isn't trying this one. Randolph can probably be had for less then his actual "worth", and the Rockets desperately need a power forward. Daryl Morey is bound to know these things. Having 3 guys making (essentially) max money would make roster flexibility a bit of a challenge, but having 3 guys that command double-teams would be worth it. Substitute whatever names you want in the offer (Sura's contract, 2 firsts, etc.).
 
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I'll say this once: Portland is making a mistake.As an aside, I'm wondering why the Rockets aren't trying to get Jason Richardson. Their first and Luther Head would certainly interest the Blazers, no? And a starting lineup of Alston, McGrady, Battier, Richardson, and Yao with Hayes, Bonzi, and James coming off the bench would be very strong. Adelman's had some success with headcases.
:mellow: Richardson is on the Warriors. Maybe your talking about Randolph. In either case, it's not enough.
Sorry; I meant Randolph.It may not be enough outright, but if they want Randolph gone so that they can build around Aldridge and Oden down low, then I think that offer isn't TOO far off.
You sure come up with some whacky stuff.I hate to go all JB on you, but how old are you?
I turn 6 on Saturday. :birthdaycandle:Anyway, Head and a 1st aren't the point. My point is that I'm surprised that Houston isn't trying this one. Randolph can probably be had for less then his actual "worth", and the Rockets desperately need a power forward. Daryl Morey is bound to know these things. Having 3 guys making (essentially) max money would make roster flexibility a bit of a challenge, but having 3 guys that command double-teams would be worth it. Substitute whatever names you want in the offer (Sura's contract, 2 firsts, etc.).
I agree that he'd be a decent fit in HOU. He's owed $49mil over the next three years. How's Houston's cap situation?
 
Randolph is a 24/10 guy who demands a double team. A last first and Luther Head are not getting that done.
Agreed. Just looked at the roster and I don't see how they'd get this done. Head makes 2mil. You'd need to add in Battier and Rafer to get the salaries to work. And Portland would still likely say no.
 
Randolph is a 24/10 guy who demands a double team. A last first and Luther Head are not getting that done.
Agreed. Just looked at the roster and I don't see how they'd get this done. Head makes 2mil. You'd need to add in Battier and Rafer to get the salaries to work. And Portland would still likely say no.
2 firsts, Sura (expiring dollars), Alston and Head?
 
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I think the Magic should trade their valuable 2nd-round picks and Tony Battie (and an expiring contract!) for Durant.

 
I think the Magic should trade their valuable 2nd-round picks and Tony Battie (and an expiring contract!) for Durant.
The Warriors have already offered Jasikevicius, their EARLY 2nd rounder this year, and a first rounder next year (lottery protected) for Durant. :hot: :wall:
 
Randolph is a 24/10 guy who demands a double team. A last first and Luther Head are not getting that done.
Agreed. Just looked at the roster and I don't see how they'd get this done. Head makes 2mil. You'd need to add in Battier and Rafer to get the salaries to work. And Portland would still likely say no.
2 firsts, Sura (expiring dollars), Alston and Head?
So basically two picks in the 20s, Head and dogcrap for Randolph? I still think it'd be a no. I suppose Portland could be desperate to move Randolph, but taking on Alston through 09/10 at 5mil per sounds pretty rough. Sure, Sura is expiring, but its only 3.8mil. I just don't think its enough.
 
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Teams are in their war rooms, and all kinds of strange and interesting information has been trickling out, as you can also hear in our latest podcast. We try not to put too much stock into any of these rumors since we see a barrage of them coming out every single year right around this time, but they are exciting and controversial enough to report regardless.

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The most active teams in trade talks from what we are hearing are certainly the Pacers, Suns, Timberwolves, Supersonics, Hawks and to a lesser extent the Spurs and 76ers. With that said, most NBA people we spoke to expect “very little, if anything” major to happen today, citing the barrage of trade-talk that always goes on during draft day, which usually just ends up being a tease. There are certainly teams that are willing and able to make something happen, but whether that materializes into anything real is anyone’s guess.

It is true that Atlanta is receiving heavy pressure from a faction of their ownership group to draft Yi Jianlian. Now that that’s been leaked, though, it’s hard to actually see that happening. The team that has been considering him the most in the lottery is Boston, followed by Sacramento. The Kings could jump into the late first or early second tonight to try and nab Aaron Brooks, who they are big fans of.

Speaking of the Hawks, they decided to pull out of the trade that would have landed them Luke Ridnour in exchange for the #11 pick. That likely secures Acie Law’s position at that spot, unless the Hawks decide to bargain with one of the many other teams who would like to move into that position.

Had Seattle been picking at #11, the player they would have taken likely would have been Rodney Stuckey, the favorite of newly hired Assistant General Manager Scott Perry. Perry was the driving force behind getting Joe Dumars and the Detroit Pistons on board with giving Stuckey assurances that he will be drafted at #15, very early in the process.

A few NBA teams suggested that we place Renaldas Seibutis at the #35 slot (Seattle) in our mock draft, citing inside information. Boston apparently will be drafting a European big man they can stash at #32, possibly Stanko Barac.

The New Jersey Nets have offered the Indiana Pacers Nenad Krstic and Richard Jefferson for Jermaine O'Neal. For now, though, Indiana is holding off on it.

Houston is exploring a few trades, with the most interesting rumor being swapping their #26 pick for Ike Diogu and filler.

Golden State is talking about trading Andris Biedrins and the #18 pick for #6, in order to take Yi Jianlian. That might seem like a lopsided pick in favor of the Bucks, but Golden State's salary situation might be bad enough to warrant that.

Portland is trying to package their two high second rounders (#37 and #42) with 3 million dollars in cash to move into the late teens or early 20’s. Morris Almond is one player they supposedly like. The Trailblazers wouldn’t confirm that to us in a conversation we had with one of their front office members, but he did assure us that they “plan on being active.” Portland was linked by a few teams to a trade that would move Zach Randolph to the Knicks for Channing Frye and Malik Rose (who must opt-into his contract first), but the same source acted surprised when we mentioned this to him.

 
Houston is exploring a few trades, with the most interesting rumor being swapping their #26 pick for Ike Diogu and filler.
Hard to get excited about that one. He could probably be a 10 and 8 guy, which is all well and good. But I'd prefer they take Fazekas or (ETA) Sean Williams.
 
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Houston is exploring a few trades, with the most interesting rumor being swapping their #26 pick for Ike Diogu and filler.
Hard to get excited about that one. He could probably be a 10 and 8 guy, which is all well and good. But I'd prefer they take Fazekas or Dudley.
I really don't think Fazekas slips that far. He's the most underrated player in the 1st round, I think.
 
Houston is exploring a few trades, with the most interesting rumor being swapping their #26 pick for Ike Diogu and filler.
Hard to get excited about that one. He could probably be a 10 and 8 guy, which is all well and good. But I'd prefer they take Fazekas or Dudley.
I really don't think Fazekas slips that far. He's the most underrated player in the 1st round, I think.
few big men have his shooting skills but he's Charmin soft. Nickname ought to be Mister Whipple. on a good day, he's rik smits. bad day? brad miller.
 
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Golden State is talking about trading Andris Biedrins and the #18 pick for #6, in order to take Yi Jianlian. That might seem like a lopsided pick in favor of the Bucks, but Golden State's salary situation might be bad enough to warrant that.
GTFOOHHell, the Bucks would be better off taking a chance and drafting the big Chinese stiff themselves

 
Latest rumors from DX:

Golden State is talking about trading Andris Biedrins and the #18 pick for #6, in order to take Yi Jianlian. That might seem like a lopsided pick in favor of the Bucks, but Golden State's salary situation might be bad enough to warrant that.
GTFOOHHell, the Bucks would be better off taking a chance and drafting the big Chinese stiff themselves
Biendris had a pretty solid year, and he's still very young. The problem with him is that he's almost due for a contract.
 
Latest rumors from DX:

Golden State is talking about trading Andris Biedrins and the #18 pick for #6, in order to take Yi Jianlian. That might seem like a lopsided pick in favor of the Bucks, but Golden State's salary situation might be bad enough to warrant that.
GTFOOHHell, the Bucks would be better off taking a chance and drafting the big Chinese stiff themselves
Biendris had a pretty solid year, and he's still very young. The problem with him is that he's almost due for a contract.
Mully better say No to that deal.So that leavs us with 0 players who can rebound and block shots. Just great.

Trading a perimeter player for Yi = i can live with.

Trading Biedrins for Yi = stupid move

 
Latest rumors from DX:

Golden State is talking about trading Andris Biedrins and the #18 pick for #6, in order to take Yi Jianlian. That might seem like a lopsided pick in favor of the Bucks, but Golden State's salary situation might be bad enough to warrant that.
GTFOOHHell, the Bucks would be better off taking a chance and drafting the big Chinese stiff themselves
Biendris had a pretty solid year, and he's still very young. The problem with him is that he's almost due for a contract.
Of the three trade rumors involving the Bucks (Philly offering its two picks for 6 and Dallas offering Devin Harris for 6 being the other two) this is the one I like the best from Milwaukee's perspective. I'd prefer the Bucks got a proven vet if they traded the pick but Biendris brings the type of defense they badly need in the frontcourt. Plus 18 should end up being a solid rotation player at worst.
 
Latest rumors from DX:

Golden State is talking about trading Andris Biedrins and the #18 pick for #6, in order to take Yi Jianlian. That might seem like a lopsided pick in favor of the Bucks, but Golden State's salary situation might be bad enough to warrant that.
GTFOOHHell, the Bucks would be better off taking a chance and drafting the big Chinese stiff themselves
Seriously? Do you even know who Biedrins is? He's only 21 years old and is already a major defensive force inside. If he was in this draft he'd go 3, so think of it as trading 6 for 3 and 18.The only reason Golden State would do this is to sell a ton of jerseys in China.

 
Latest rumors from DX:

Golden State is talking about trading Andris Biedrins and the #18 pick for #6, in order to take Yi Jianlian. That might seem like a lopsided pick in favor of the Bucks, but Golden State's salary situation might be bad enough to warrant that.
GTFOOHHell, the Bucks would be better off taking a chance and drafting the big Chinese stiff themselves
Seriously? Do you even know who Biedrins is? He's only 21 years old and is already a major defensive force inside. If he was in this draft he'd go 3, so think of it as trading 6 for 3 and 18.The only reason Golden State would do this is to sell a ton of jerseys in China.
Andrew Bynum has the #3 spot locked up. Biedrins will need to go #4.Thanks,

CapellaGunz

 
Latest rumors from DX:

Golden State is talking about trading Andris Biedrins and the #18 pick for #6, in order to take Yi Jianlian. That might seem like a lopsided pick in favor of the Bucks, but Golden State's salary situation might be bad enough to warrant that.
GTFOOHHell, the Bucks would be better off taking a chance and drafting the big Chinese stiff themselves
Seriously? Do you even know who Biedrins is? He's only 21 years old and is already a major defensive force inside. If he was in this draft he'd go 3, so think of it as trading 6 for 3 and 18.The only reason Golden State would do this is to sell a ton of jerseys in China.
Andrew Bynum has the #3 spot locked up. Biedrins will need to go #4.Thanks,

CapellaGunz
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Latest rumors from DX:

Golden State is talking about trading Andris Biedrins and the #18 pick for #6, in order to take Yi Jianlian. That might seem like a lopsided pick in favor of the Bucks, but Golden State's salary situation might be bad enough to warrant that.
GTFOOHHell, the Bucks would be better off taking a chance and drafting the big Chinese stiff themselves
Seriously? Do you even know who Biedrins is? He's only 21 years old and is already a major defensive force inside. If he was in this draft he'd go 3, so think of it as trading 6 for 3 and 18.The only reason Golden State would do this is to sell a ton of jerseys in China.
The Warriors have no hope of signing both Ellis and Biedrins (Ellis is up after this year, Biedrins is a RFA after this year), they're already up against the cap.Trading Biedrins to move up and take a rebounding-defensive big is fine, IMO. Trading Ellis (who has some character concerns, apparently) is also OK, depending on what they get. The main thing is that if they're going to give up their only rebounder/shot-blocker, they need to get one back. Nothing against Yi, but I don't know if he's a great fit for GS right now.

If they trade up (way up), I think Horford or Noah would be fine. If they stay where they are, I'd like to see them get either Fazekas or...*gulp* Sean Williams. But the ***OFFICIAL*** Your Mother NBA Draft Grade will hinge quite a bit on getting some rebounding/post players.

 

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