2007 NBA DRAFT - ODEN and PORTLAND CRIPPLED (1 Viewer)

[No. 16]

Latest rumors from DX:

Golden State is talking about trading Andris Biedrins and the #18 pick for #6, in order to take Yi Jianlian. That might seem like a lopsided pick in favor of the Bucks, but Golden State's salary situation might be bad enough to warrant that.

GTFOOHHell, the Bucks would be better off taking a chance and drafting the big Chinese stiff themselves

Seriously? Do you even know who Biedrins is? He's only 21 years old and is already a major defensive force inside. If he was in this draft he'd go 3, so think of it as trading 6 for 3 and 18.The only reason Golden State would do this is to sell a ton of jerseys in China.

The Warriors have no hope of signing both Ellis and Biedrins (Ellis is up after this year, Biedrins is a RFA after this year), they're already up against the cap.Trading Biedrins to move up and take a rebounding-defensive big is fine, IMO. Trading Ellis (who has some character concerns, apparently) is also OK, depending on what they get. The main thing is that if they're going to give up their only rebounder/shot-blocker, they need to get one back. Nothing against Yi, but I don't know if he's a great fit for GS right now.

If they trade up (way up), I think Horford or Noah would be fine. If they stay where they are, I'd like to see them get either Fazekas or...*gulp* Sean Williams. But the ***OFFICIAL*** Your Mother NBA Draft Grade will hinge quite a bit on getting some rebounding/post players.

Trading Biedrins to drat a big is pointless and gets us no where. Lats year we lost to Utah b/c Biedrins was not enough by himself.... so then trading him away to get someone who is probably not as good at rebounding or defending as Biedrins puts us back at where we started.As much as I like Monta, if I were Mully I'd pick Biedrins over Monta every single day of the week if it came down to it. Monta is a great scorer, a hustle defender, and improving as a PG. However, Biedrins is a rebounding, defending center, who can run, has great hands, and can score effciently..... and you know what HE'S A YEAR YOUNGER THAN MONTA!

I'd rather Mully get rid of J-Rich and the Dubs keep BOTH Biedrins and Monta.

 

[LHUCKS]

Nick Young = SOD

No Marcus Williams pimpage?

I go back and forth on him.

 

[LHUCKS]

Conley is the most overrated player in the draft.

 

[cacksman]

If I'm Seattle, I do Ray ALlen for the #5 and an expiring contract without hanging up the phone. THat frees up the loot to resign Lewis and gives them a chance to take a very good player (Horford, Conley, or Noah) with the #5.

I agree. Seattle could get Durant, move Ridnour for pick #11 (if there's anything to that rumor), take either Conley//Noah/whoever at #5, and then have #11 for whoever else falls all while resigning Rashard Lewis, and reshuffling for the future with a lot of top prospects.

If Seattle gets the #5 pick I would hope they would be looking to acquire Yi. I'd rather they keep Allen anyway.

 

[Workhorse]

I really hope the Celtics don't make that deal for Ray Allen. He's a nice player and all but those ankles worry me.

 

[Funkley]

Latest rumors from DX:

Golden State is talking about trading Andris Biedrins and the #18 pick for #6, in order to take Yi Jianlian. That might seem like a lopsided pick in favor of the Bucks, but Golden State's salary situation might be bad enough to warrant that.

GTFOOHHell, the Bucks would be better off taking a chance and drafting the big Chinese stiff themselves

Seriously? Do you even know who Biedrins is?

Awesome. Love seeing the "Have you seen him pitch?" shtick still have life.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Chad Ford is reporting a trade offer between Boston and Seattle..Boston would get Ray Allen,for Theo Ratliff and the number 5 pick(maybe Gerald Green...)

Do it Danny.

Does this mean the trade could be Ratliff, Green, and the #5?

Or are you saying Green could be instead of the #5?

First one.I'm just saying they could throw in Gerald Green,but right now its Ratliff and #5 for Ray Allen.

It's looking to me like a lot of rumors with not much going to happen.Until something happens, I'm not getting excited.

Ray Allen should definitely be traded somewhere. I don't see much benefit to Seattle keeping him and his contract around while they build around Durant. He'll be on the decline by the time they're ready to win.I don't think Boston is the right spot for him, but I guess Ainge is pretty desperate to win now.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Conley is the most overrated player in the draft.

Does this post ensure that Conley makes first-team All-Rookie, or is it all the way to Rookie of the Year?

League MVP.

 

[Statorama]

Latest rumors from DX:

Golden State is talking about trading Andris Biedrins and the #18 pick for #6, in order to take Yi Jianlian. That might seem like a lopsided pick in favor of the Bucks, but Golden State's salary situation might be bad enough to warrant that.

GTFOOHHell, the Bucks would be better off taking a chance and drafting the big Chinese stiff themselves

Seriously? Do you even know who Biedrins is?

Awesome. Love seeing the "Have you seen him pitch?" shtick still have life.

I've seen the guy, and he's ok and everything, but Biendrins is up for a contract soon and I think the Bucks can do much better at 6 than the Levitating Latvian.

 

[No. 16]

Latest rumors from DX:

Golden State is talking about trading Andris Biedrins and the #18 pick for #6, in order to take Yi Jianlian. That might seem like a lopsided pick in favor of the Bucks, but Golden State's salary situation might be bad enough to warrant that.

GTFOOHHell, the Bucks would be better off taking a chance and drafting the big Chinese stiff themselves

Seriously? Do you even know who Biedrins is?

Awesome. Love seeing the "Have you seen him pitch?" shtick still have life.

I've seen the guy, and he's ok and everything, but Biendrins is up for a contract soon and I think the Bucks can do much better at 6 than the Levitating Latvian.

Like who? You do realize Biedrins is 21 years old right with 3 years of NBA experience?I'd take Biedrins over every player in the lottery not named Oden and Durant and would put him in the same tier as Horford and Yi, but well ahead of both, IMO.

 

[Statorama]

Latest rumors from DX:

Golden State is talking about trading Andris Biedrins and the #18 pick for #6, in order to take Yi Jianlian. That might seem like a lopsided pick in favor of the Bucks, but Golden State's salary situation might be bad enough to warrant that.

GTFOOHHell, the Bucks would be better off taking a chance and drafting the big Chinese stiff themselves

Seriously? Do you even know who Biedrins is?

Awesome. Love seeing the "Have you seen him pitch?" shtick still have life.

I've seen the guy, and he's ok and everything, but Biendrins is up for a contract soon and I think the Bucks can do much better at 6 than the Levitating Latvian.

Like who? You do realize Biedrins is 21 years old right with 3 years of NBA experience?I'd take Biedrins over every player in the lottery not named Oden and Durant and would put him in the same tier as Horford and Yi, but well ahead of both, IMO.

Really? I like Horford a lot there.I'll admit I've seen Horford a ton and have only seen Biendrins 6 or 7 times. Maybe I just saw Biendrins bad games

 

[Capella]

Gonna fire up a new thread for the draft.

 

[No. 16]

Latest rumors from DX:

Golden State is talking about trading Andris Biedrins and the #18 pick for #6, in order to take Yi Jianlian. That might seem like a lopsided pick in favor of the Bucks, but Golden State's salary situation might be bad enough to warrant that.

GTFOOHHell, the Bucks would be better off taking a chance and drafting the big Chinese stiff themselves

Seriously? Do you even know who Biedrins is?

Awesome. Love seeing the "Have you seen him pitch?" shtick still have life.

I've seen the guy, and he's ok and everything, but Biendrins is up for a contract soon and I think the Bucks can do much better at 6 than the Levitating Latvian.

Like who? You do realize Biedrins is 21 years old right with 3 years of NBA experience?I'd take Biedrins over every player in the lottery not named Oden and Durant and would put him in the same tier as Horford and Yi, but well ahead of both, IMO.

Really? I like Horford a lot there.I'll admit I've seen Horford a ton and have only seen Biendrins 6 or 7 times. Maybe I just saw Biendrins bad games

Reverse it for me... seen Biedrins a ton and Horford a few times.I'd think if Biedrins entered the draft after attending college or dominating Euro-league he'd be up there. Superb hands and knows how to score down low as evdience by his near 60% FG. Plays hard and is a defensive force and is very athletic.

I'd take Biedrins over Noah any day of the week and would have to think about passing on Horford and Yi.

 

[LHUCKS]

That one may need GunZ and 10X support. I'll see if I can borrow Hollinger's laptop this weekend and crunch some numbers on it. Also be sure to downgrade Nick Young properly. I think he just got dropped from the Rookie Challenge roster.

I've made more calls in the last month than you've made in your entire FFA existence.

 

[Capella]

That one may need GunZ and 10X support. I'll see if I can borrow Hollinger's laptop this weekend and crunch some numbers on it.

Also be sure to downgrade Nick Young properly. I think he just got dropped from the Rookie Challenge roster.

I've made more calls in the last month than you've made in your entire FFA existence.

Please.There's not one sane person here who would take anything you say over Ferris. You're barking up the wrong tree there, chach.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Ideal draft for the Rockets:

Get Eliyahu in and get him growing. He made good progress last year and can learn here.

Draft Glenn Davis or Nick Fazekas with the 26.

Draft Jermareo Davidson with the 54.

Starters: McGrady, Yao, Battier, Alston and either Hayes or Bonzi depending on the style.

Backups: Hayes/Bonzi, Mike James, Head

Deep minutes: Lucas 3, Davis/Fazekas.

Prospects: Novak, Eliyahu.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

That one may need GunZ and 10X support. I'll see if I can borrow Hollinger's laptop this weekend and crunch some numbers on it. Also be sure to downgrade Nick Young properly. I think he just got dropped from the Rookie Challenge roster.

I've made more calls in the last month than you've made in your entire FFA existence.

You probably have. But if it's also true that you've missed more calls in the last month than I have in my FFA existence, WGAF? I'll skip an audit or your alleged accuracy, and you can skip the "it was shtick" defense, and we can both same some time.

:applause:well played

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Chinese guy "E" no want love Milwaukee long time.

 

[RedRaiders]

Saw on the ESPN roster page that the Sixers have DJ Strawberry on their team for at least the summer league i guess.

 

[_4_]

Think Atlanta would rather have Al Horford and Acie Law, or Kevin Garnett today? I think they probably could have gotten it done for 2 draft picks....

 

[_4_]

Gee....wasn't it I that said Oden was injury prone and a risk...indeed, it was....I just don't want to find it in the thread...but believe me, it's in here.

Ding Ding Ding

 

[Capella]

Sounds like my bet with Assani is off.

 

[[scooter]]

Gee....wasn't it I that said Oden was injury prone and a risk...indeed, it was....I just don't want to find it in the thread...but believe me, it's in here.

Couldn't find it, but I did find this:

Oden is the best big man prospect since Shaq. Better than Duncan, better than Zo, ect.He may be the best big prospect ever. Shaq carried more weight, but Oden's got better foot work, coordination, and appears to have a hunger/love of the game that Shaq never had.I think he'll be an All Star in the East next year (if he doesn't go to Memphis) and he'll win a 4-5 titles. I'm completely sold.

Very next post:

Great. Now Oden's destined for injury and mediocrity.

 

[Capella]

Gee....wasn't it I that said Oden was injury prone and a risk...indeed, it was....I just don't want to find it in the thread...but believe me, it's in here.

Couldn't find it, but I did find this:

Oden is the best big man prospect since Shaq. Better than Duncan, better than Zo, ect.He may be the best big prospect ever. Shaq carried more weight, but Oden's got better foot work, coordination, and appears to have a hunger/love of the game that Shaq never had.I think he'll be an All Star in the East next year (if he doesn't go to Memphis) and he'll win a 4-5 titles. I'm completely sold.

Very next post:

Great. Now Oden's destined for injury and mediocrity.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

I guess it isn't too early to make the Sam Bowie comparisons.

 

[Your Mother]

Amare's seemed to recover pretty well from the microfracture.

Oden might be one of those guys whose body just fails him. Not his fault, #### just happens. See: Mark Prior, Bill Walton, etc. etc.

 

[[icon]]

Gee....wasn't it I that said Oden was injury prone and a risk...indeed, it was....I just don't want to find it in the thread...but believe me, it's in here.

Couldn't find it, but I did find this:

Oden is the best big man prospect since Shaq. Better than Duncan, better than Zo, ect.He may be the best big prospect ever. Shaq carried more weight, but Oden's got better foot work, coordination, and appears to have a hunger/love of the game that Shaq never had.I think he'll be an All Star in the East next year (if he doesn't go to Memphis) and he'll win a 4-5 titles. I'm completely sold.

Very next post:

Great. Now Oden's destined for injury and mediocrity.

Gunz... how the hell do you do it man... Amazing. You're a bigger threat to a players career than the Madden cover.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Just another day at the office.

Next....

 

[_4_]

Amare's seemed to recover pretty well from the microfracture.Oden might be one of those guys whose body just fails him. Not his fault, #### just happens. See: Mark Prior, Bill Walton, etc. etc.

You could fit the number of players in all sports who suffered injury or their body failed them into a large Truck.Marcus Dupree, Steve Emtmann, Robert Edwards, Gale Sayers, Sterling Sharpe, Tim Lewis, Landon Turner, Grant Hill, Jayson Williams, Tony Conigliaro, Mark Fidrych, Sam Bowie, and the list goes on....

 

[saintfool]

Amare's seemed to recover pretty well from the microfracture.Oden might be one of those guys whose body just fails him. Not his fault, #### just happens. See: Mark Prior, Bill Walton, etc. etc.

I think he'll be fine. Explosiveness in the paint is not necessary. Strength, footwork and endurance are. It does set back the development of his offensive game considerably. He's looking like Mourning more and more.

 

[commisholio]

Gee....wasn't it I that said Oden was injury prone and a risk...indeed, it was....I just don't want to find it in the thread...but believe me, it's in here.

Couldn't find it, but I did find this:

Oden is the best big man prospect since Shaq. Better than Duncan, better than Zo, ect.He may be the best big prospect ever. Shaq carried more weight, but Oden's got better foot work, coordination, and appears to have a hunger/love of the game that Shaq never had.I think he'll be an All Star in the East next year (if he doesn't go to Memphis) and he'll win a 4-5 titles. I'm completely sold.

Very next post:

Great. Now Oden's destined for injury and mediocrity.

:IBTL:

 

[commisholio]

Gee....wasn't it I that said Oden was injury prone and a risk...indeed, it was....I just don't want to find it in the thread...but believe me, it's in here.

Couldn't find it, but I did find this:

Oden is the best big man prospect since Shaq. Better than Duncan, better than Zo, ect.He may be the best big prospect ever. Shaq carried more weight, but Oden's got better foot work, coordination, and appears to have a hunger/love of the game that Shaq never had.I think he'll be an All Star in the East next year (if he doesn't go to Memphis) and he'll win a 4-5 titles. I'm completely sold.

Very next post:

Great. Now Oden's destined for injury and mediocrity.

 

[tommyGunZ]

 

[General Malaise]

Oden is the best big man prospect since Shaq. Better than Duncan, better than Zo, ect.He may be the best big prospect ever. Shaq carried more weight, but Oden's got better foot work, coordination, and appears to have a hunger/love of the game that Shaq never had.I think he'll be an All Star in the East next year (if he doesn't go to Memphis) and he'll win a 4-5 titles. I'm completely sold.

Great. Now Oden's destined for injury and mediocrity.

 

[Raider Nation]

Weird. I was looking through this exact thread two weeks ago but it didn't quite meet my stringent necro-BUMP requirements.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

 

[Raider Nation]

Oden is the best big man prospect since Shaq. Better than Duncan, better than Zo, ect.He may be the best big prospect ever. Shaq carried more weight, but Oden's got better foot work, coordination, and appears to have a hunger/love of the game that Shaq never had.I think he'll be an All Star in the East next year (if he doesn't go to Memphis) and he'll win a 4-5 titles. I'm completely sold.

Great. Now Oden's destined for injury and mediocrity.

Looks like Oden will get a ring before Durant does.

HOW FUNNY IS IT NOW???

 

[No. 16]

Latest rumors from DX:

Golden State is talking about trading Andris Biedrins and the #18 pick for #6, in order to take Yi Jianlian. That might seem like a lopsided pick in favor of the Bucks, but Golden State's salary situation might be bad enough to warrant that.

GTFOOHHell, the Bucks would be better off taking a chance and drafting the big Chinese stiff themselves

Seriously? Do you even know who Biedrins is?

Awesome. Love seeing the "Have you seen him pitch?" shtick still have life.

I've seen the guy, and he's ok and everything, but Biendrins is up for a contract soon and I think the Bucks can do much better at 6 than the Levitating Latvian.

Like who? You do realize Biedrins is 21 years old right with 3 years of NBA experience?I'd take Biedrins over every player in the lottery not named Oden and Durant and would put him in the same tier as Horford and Yi, but well ahead of both, IMO.

Really? I like Horford a lot there.I'll admit I've seen Horford a ton and have only seen Biendrins 6 or 7 times. Maybe I just saw Biendrins bad games

Reverse it for me... seen Biedrins a ton and Horford a few times.I'd think if Biedrins entered the draft after attending college or dominating Euro-league he'd be up there. Superb hands and knows how to score down low as evdience by his near 60% FG. Plays hard and is a defensive force and is very athletic.

I'd take Biedrins over Noah any day of the week and would have to think about passing on Horford and Yi.

I don't know what's worse... this or proclaiming LBJ would never win a championship.

 

[the moops]

Biedrins!

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Noah much better than I expected him to be

 

[the moops]

Noah much better than I expected him to be

Pretty much better than anyone expected.

If that draft happens all over, does it go Durant, Noah, Horford, or Durant Horford, Noah?

 

[SproutDaddy]

Noah much better than I expected him to be

Pretty much better than anyone expected.If that draft happens all over, does it go Durant, Noah, Horford, or Durant Horford, Noah?

I'd say Conley easily over Noah. Conley has developed into a great point guard. Arguably top 5 in the league.

 

[the moops]

Noah much better than I expected him to be

Pretty much better than anyone expected.If that draft happens all over, does it go Durant, Noah, Horford, or Durant Horford, Noah?

I'd say Conley easily over Noah. Conley has developed into a great point guard. Arguably top 5 in the league.

Isn't Joakim Noah a top 5 center in the league? Al Horford a top 5 PF/C in the league?

IMO there are too many good PGs in the league to justify taking one 2nd in my fake draft.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Noah much better than I expected him to be

Pretty much better than anyone expected.If that draft happens all over, does it go Durant, Noah, Horford, or Durant Horford, Noah?

I'd say Conley easily over Noah. Conley has developed into a great point guard. Arguably top 5 in the league.

Isn't Joakim Noah a top 5 center in the league? Al Horford a top 5 PF/C in the league?IMO there are too many good PGs in the league to justify taking one 2nd in my fake draft.

I wouldn't put either one of those guys in top 5 at their position. Plus, what does the other PGs in the league have to do with that particular draft.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Noah much better than I expected him to be

Pretty much better than anyone expected.If that draft happens all over, does it go Durant, Noah, Horford, or Durant Horford, Noah?

I'd say Conley easily over Noah. Conley has developed into a great point guard. Arguably top 5 in the league.

Isn't Joakim Noah a top 5 center in the league? Al Horford a top 5 PF/C in the league?IMO there are too many good PGs in the league to justify taking one 2nd in my fake draft.

I wouldn't put either one of those guys in top 5 at their position. Plus, what does the other PGs in the league have to do with that particular draft.

And your top 5 centers are...

 

[SproutDaddy]

Noah much better than I expected him to be

Pretty much better than anyone expected.If that draft happens all over, does it go Durant, Noah, Horford, or Durant Horford, Noah?

I'd say Conley easily over Noah. Conley has developed into a great point guard. Arguably top 5 in the league.

Isn't Joakim Noah a top 5 center in the league? Al Horford a top 5 PF/C in the league?IMO there are too many good PGs in the league to justify taking one 2nd in my fake draft.

I wouldn't put either one of those guys in top 5 at their position. Plus, what does the other PGs in the league have to do with that particular draft.

And your top 5 centers are...

Howard, Gasol, Davis, Lopez, and Hibbert. Noah would be 7.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Wasn't Noah defensive player of the year and 1st team All NBA this year?

 

[the moops]

Paul, Curry, Irving, Lillard, Westbrook, Wall, Lowry, Lawson...

There are just too many damn good PGs in the league now.

 

[sporthenry]

Paul, Curry, Irving, Lillard, Westbrook, Wall, Lowry, Lawson...

There are just too many damn good PGs in the league now.

Agreed. Even if you are that high on Conley and that low on Noah, it is still basic scarcity of the position. All else being equal, a team of Lawson/Parker/Rondo with Howard is better than a team of Conley and Gortat/Bogut/etc.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Noah would be the no brainer #2 pick if 07 was redrafted.